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[Nightwriter]

Before the endings, ME3 blew ME2 out of the water. Then it rotted and left a taste of decay in the mouth that ME2, for all its flaws, never gave us.

[AntiChri5]

ME3 is a better game in every way except one; the ending.

And i don't think that that ten minutes can destroy the 39 hours and 50 minutes that came before.

[Genshie]

Love how lot of people are praising ME2 when during the first year of ME2's release they complained like crazy! ME3 is just getting its fair treatment of fan rage now. And you know what if the ending wasn't as poor as people are claiming it to be this wouldn't be the case at all.

Modifié par Genshie, 09 avril 2012 - 08:12 .

[FlyingWalrus]

AntiChri5 wrote...

ME3 is a better game in every way except one; the ending.

And i don't think that that ten minutes can destroy the 39 hours and 50 minutes that came before.

inb4 allegories involving fecal matter

[FlyingWalrus]

Genshie wrote...

Love how lot of people are praising ME2 when during the first year of ME2's release they complained like crazy! ME3 is just getting its fair treatment of fan rage now. And you know what if the ending wasn't as poor as people are claiming it to be this wouldn't be the case at all.

Good to see other BSN members whose long-term memory isn't shorted or selective. My question is how could you forget the whining of that magnitude?

[Genshie]

FlyingWalrus wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Love how lot of people are praising ME2 when during the first year of ME2's release they complained like crazy! ME3 is just getting its fair treatment of fan rage now. And you know what if the ending wasn't as poor as people are claiming it to be this wouldn't be the case at all.

Good to see other BSN members whose long-term memory isn't shorted or selective. My question is how could you forget the whining of that magnitude?

Are you being sarcastic or serious? Sorry, kind of lost in text.

[AntiChri5]

Genshie wrote...

Love how lot of people are praising ME2 when during the first year of ME2's release they complained like crazy! ME3 is just getting its fair treatment of fan rage now. And you know what if the ending wasn't as poor as people are claiming it to be this wouldn't be the case at all.

Aye, it is somewhat confusing. I remember this site hating ME2. Are we really so prone to instant nostalgia?

[FlyingWalrus]

Genshie wrote...

FlyingWalrus wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Love how lot of people are praising ME2 when during the first year of ME2's release they complained like crazy! ME3 is just getting its fair treatment of fan rage now. And you know what if the ending wasn't as poor as people are claiming it to be this wouldn't be the case at all.

Good to see other BSN members whose long-term memory isn't shorted or selective. My question is how could you forget the whining of that magnitude?

Are you being sarcastic or serious? Sorry, kind of lost in text.

I am being completely honest.

[Iceman22012]

I think little things make ME2 just a bit better than ME3.

Little touches: Obviously the journal system in 2 was better. Another thing i thought was good was that in ME2, the game used the same models that went into combat with you on board the normandy...that meant that putting everyone in an alternate outfit showed up when you went to talk to them. Dialogue system was better in that everyone didn't turn into Kasumi or Zaeed. I think the face models were better in ME2 also, just because in 2, I never had any odd animations while Shep was talking that felt the need to show off every tooth he has in his head.

Gameplay: I can't complain about the combat in ME3 much at all, outside of the heavy melee basically being a canned animation instead of a legit active combat animation you can use on the fly without being lined up, not much to put a strike against. although the sqaud AI could better, and I would really like it if a mindless looking enemy like cannabils couldn't GPS me with grenades.

ME2 just did a better job of making you care about ALL of your squad members....in ME3, i didn't even bother to talk to Vega before the final mission (if at all), because he was boring as hell. I attribute part of that to the non interactive talk system, but still, never felt like I wanted to hear anything he ever had to say. All I did once I got to run around the normandy, was go to all the places where my ME2 team mates hung out...when i got down to the bottom of engineering, and didn't see Jack sitting there, i got sad. lol.

[Genshie]

FlyingWalrus wrote...

Genshie wrote...

FlyingWalrus wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Love how lot of people are praising ME2 when during the first year of ME2's release they complained like crazy! ME3 is just getting its fair treatment of fan rage now. And you know what if the ending wasn't as poor as people are claiming it to be this wouldn't be the case at all.

Good to see other BSN members whose long-term memory isn't shorted or selective. My question is how could you forget the whining of that magnitude?

Are you being sarcastic or serious? Sorry, kind of lost in text.

I am being completely honest.

Oh okay wasn't sure. I think Bioware's main problem is that they are always trying to introduce something new or make a complete 180 on certain things. If there were only a small change but put that much more added content I believe alot of people would happy. (Example DAO and DA2, DAO really didn't need to change at all just polished a bit more)

For me ME2's combat felt slow and difficulty was kindof dumb since all insanity did was add armor, shields, and barriers to targets making most of your biotics useless. I am glad Bioware has recognized this and got out of that train of thought. Most game franchises are still stuck on just adding more health and increase defenses on targets for added difficulty.

[Genshie]

Iceman22012 wrote...

I think little things make ME2 just a bit better than ME3.



ME2 just did a better job of making you care about ALL of your squad members....in ME3, i didn't even bother to talk to Vega before the final mission (if at all), because he was boring as hell. I attribute part of that to the non interactive talk system, but still, never felt like I wanted to hear anything he ever had to say. All I did once I got to run around the normandy, was go to all the places where my ME2 team mates hung out...when i got down to the bottom of engineering, and didn't see Jack sitting there, i got sad. lol.

My friend with Daddy issues named Jacob says hello! I much rather have Vega over Jacob any day. And squadies actually comment on almost everything you did in ME3 while in ME2 they were only really concerned over their own stuff.

[kalle90]

It's simple. Even though many consider ME1 the best of series, and ME2 a weak continuation, ME2 is still the most popular (look at metacritic user scores, comments on youtube and forums, ME2 got a lot more defending than ME3 did at launch)

Don't forget lots of people have come to the forums praising how awesome the game is, but they haven't seen the ending yet.

Besides IMO if ME1 is 10/10, ME2 is 8/10 and ME3 is 6/10 with the current ending. ME2 was dissapointing but many aspects of ME3 are abysmal. ME2 atleast ends with a high note, suicide mission was good. ME3 ends with a sour note that washes away the entire trilogy.

I still hate Hammerhead, the shallow combat, the quantity over quality mentality with squadmates, very gamey side missions, main story being a filler mid-chapter that has almost no impact in ME3 except for Cerberus...

Modifié par kalle90, 09 avril 2012 - 08:36 .

[Lance Gardner]

I preferred ME2's focus on characterisation, and I preferred that ME2 had much more interactive dialogue. ME3 felt too much like a straight action game with barely any choices. This is all disregarding the ending of ME3, I actually preferred ME2. But part of why I love ME2 - LotSB - is DLC, so really I should see what they knock out in the ME3 DLC's before I complain. I would expect it to have more than ME2 or ME1, because it's their last chance to get all their ideas for the universe in.

[Nightwriter]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Love how lot of people are praising ME2 when during the first year of ME2's release they complained like crazy! ME3 is just getting its fair treatment of fan rage now. And you know what if the ending wasn't as poor as people are claiming it to be this wouldn't be the case at all.

Aye, it is somewhat confusing. I remember this site hating ME2. Are we really so prone to instant nostalgia?

Hey, you don't see me suddenly going back and saying ME2 was great.

I stand by my assertion that it was sloppily written, damn it.

[Genshie]

kalle90 wrote...
r (look at metacritic user scores, comments on youtube and forums, ME2 got a lot more defending than ME3 did at launch)

Don't forget lots of people have come to the forums praising how awesome the game is, but they haven't seen the ending yet.

Besides IMO if ME1 is 10/10, ME2 is 8/10 and ME3 is 6/10 with the current ending. ME2 was dissapointing but many aspects of ME3 are abysmal. ME2 atleast ends with a high note, suicide mission was good. ME3 ends with a sour note that washes away the entire trilogy.

 I am sorry your comment just lost all creditability as soon as you mentioned that. Lot of peeps don't even respect metacritic anymore because of their trolling.

[AntiChri5]

Nightwriter wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Love how lot of people are praising ME2 when during the first year of ME2's release they complained like crazy! ME3 is just getting its fair treatment of fan rage now. And you know what if the ending wasn't as poor as people are claiming it to be this wouldn't be the case at all.

Aye, it is somewhat confusing. I remember this site hating ME2. Are we really so prone to instant nostalgia?

Hey, you don't see me suddenly going back and saying ME2 was great.

I stand by my assertion that it was sloppily written, damn it.

 And thats why we love you.

Modifié par AntiChri5, 09 avril 2012 - 08:34 .

[kamikazekeeg]

Even with the ending, ME3 is just a better game to me than ME2. Not that ME2 is bad, butstory wise, not alot happens in it. You slowly learn some stuff, but the main chunk of the game is actually just getting your squadmates and doing their loyalty missions, but the plot is really rather...so-so. Sure, ME2 had more content to add to it's length, but if the sacrifice for a better written story (Outside of the ending), is abit less missions and dialogue, I'll gladly take it. ME3's plot was definitely better paced, there's alot of satisfying story elements, some great drama, some great humor, and there were some very memorable dialogue spots. ME3 also got me to like Shepard more. Found him to be very unlikable in ME2, but I was warming up to him abit in ME3. Also the combat is just simply better. Everything is fine tuned. If the ending would've been great, this game would've been one track for being one of the top games this year only 3 months in for me.

Not that ME3 didn't have a few issues, but even with it's faults, I still really like the game.

[ElementL09]

ME2 had alot more to offer. Additional, it had more squadmates, a better, journal, a better ending, alot more missions...ME3 has improvements but it took some steps backwards as well.

[Genshie]

kamikazekeeg wrote...

Even with the ending, ME3 is just a better game to me than ME2. Not that ME2 is bad, butstory wise, not alot happens in it. You slowly learn some stuff, but the main chunk of the game is actually just getting your squadmates and doing their loyalty missions, but the plot is really rather...so-so. Sure, ME2 had more content to add to it's length, but if the sacrifice for a better written story (Outside of the ending), is abit less missions and dialogue, I'll gladly take it. ME3's plot was definitely better paced, there's alot of satisfying story elements, some great drama, some great humor, and there were some very memorable dialogue spots. ME3 also got me to like Shepard more. Found him to be very unlikable in ME2, but I was warming up to him abit in ME3. Also the combat is just simply better. Everything is fine tuned. If the ending would've been great, this game would've been one track for being one of the top games this year only 3 months in for me.

Not that ME3 didn't have a few issues, but even with it's faults, I still really like the game.

ME2 never had me go "OH NO!!" at the screen. I swear Grunt's mission in ME3 had me on edge and I was so scared that I picked the wrong choice by choosing to save the Rachni queen. Quarian vs Geth war had me almost in tears.

The only thing that got an emotional response out of me in ME2 was Project Overlord's ending. I am still bugged every time I complete it. I can almost never choose the renegade option in that situation. Renegade felt like a bully in ME2 with almost stupid responses while in ME1 you can get paragon like endings with Renegade options (I don't need to shoot you to make me look like a Badass but I can bring the law on your head if need be). I am glad that ME3 went back to the justifiable renegade.

Modifié par Genshie, 09 avril 2012 - 08:44 .

[BD Manchild]

Up until the ending I would have said that, on the whole, ME3 was the best in the series; it was exciting, the gameplay mechanics were tighter and it was full of genuinely brilliant character moments. However, the ending, along with several small things such as the journal (which is flat-out horrendous), left a really sour taste that somehow managed to poison the entire series, leading me to believe that ME2 is the strongest entry overall.

Modifié par BD Manchild, 09 avril 2012 - 08:43 .

[kalle90]

Genshie wrote...

kalle90 wrote...
r (look at metacritic user scores, comments on youtube and forums, ME2 got a lot more defending than ME3 did at launch)

Don't forget lots of people have come to the forums praising how awesome the game is, but they haven't seen the ending yet.

Besides IMO if ME1 is 10/10, ME2 is 8/10 and ME3 is 6/10 with the current ending. ME2 was dissapointing but many aspects of ME3 are abysmal. ME2 atleast ends with a high note, suicide mission was good. ME3 ends with a sour note that washes away the entire trilogy.

 I am sorry your comment just lost all creditability as soon as you mentioned that. Lot of peeps don't even respect metacritic anymore because of their trolling.

Sure, ignore the most known collective review database because of recent trolling attempts.

If you actually read the user reviews of ME2 you'd see most of them are valid. People aren't giving zeroes for "Day 1DLC Day1 DLC Day1 DLC!!" or tens for "I'd give an 8 but I need to balance out all the zeroes"

[kamikazekeeg]

Genshie wrote...

kamikazekeeg wrote...

Even with the ending, ME3 is just a better game to me than ME2. Not that ME2 is bad, butstory wise, not alot happens in it. You slowly learn some stuff, but the main chunk of the game is actually just getting your squadmates and doing their loyalty missions, but the plot is really rather...so-so. Sure, ME2 had more content to add to it's length, but if the sacrifice for a better written story (Outside of the ending), is abit less missions and dialogue, I'll gladly take it. ME3's plot was definitely better paced, there's alot of satisfying story elements, some great drama, some great humor, and there were some very memorable dialogue spots. ME3 also got me to like Shepard more. Found him to be very unlikable in ME2, but I was warming up to him abit in ME3. Also the combat is just simply better. Everything is fine tuned. If the ending would've been great, this game would've been one track for being one of the top games this year only 3 months in for me.

Not that ME3 didn't have a few issues, but even with it's faults, I still really like the game.

ME2 never had me go "OH NO!!" at the screen. I swear Grunt's mission in ME3 had me on edge and I was so scared that I picked the wrong choice by choosing to save the Rachni queen. Quarian vs Geth war had me almost in tears.

No kidding, I was getting ready to consider restarting the mission so I could go through again to do it differently. It was good, but I felt so bad...Same for the Genophage mission, though it was satisfying, it was a very hard thing to see. And with how my first choice went with the Geth conclusion had me so downtrodden till I figured out the right way to do. Or how dour things got on the Asari homeworld, I don't think there was a single moment like that in all of ME2. No laugh out loud moments, no very sad drama moments, it was just...there. More missions to do that your not invested in don't make the game better :\\

[Chewin]

Iceman22012 wrote...
ME2 just did a better job of making you care about ALL of your squad members....in ME3, i didn't even bother to talk to Vega before the final mission (if at all), because he was boring as hell. I attribute part of that to the non interactive talk system, but still, never felt like I wanted to hear anything he ever had to say. All I did once I got to run around the normandy, was go to all the places where my ME2 team mates hung out...when i got down to the bottom of engineering, and didn't see Jack sitting there, i got sad. lol.

Well that is entirely subjective. Personally I couldn't care less for most of the crew, considering how many of them are there for no reason, and being uninteresting and not that well written.

But considering ME2 and 3, they both have thei ups and downs, but ME2 really hits me with its very flawed story line, and which gives me no reason to play that game again.

[Genshie]

kalle90 wrote...

Genshie wrote...

kalle90 wrote...
r (look at metacritic user scores, comments on youtube and forums, ME2 got a lot more defending than ME3 did at launch)

Don't forget lots of people have come to the forums praising how awesome the game is, but they haven't seen the ending yet.

Besides IMO if ME1 is 10/10, ME2 is 8/10 and ME3 is 6/10 with the current ending. ME2 was dissapointing but many aspects of ME3 are abysmal. ME2 atleast ends with a high note, suicide mission was good. ME3 ends with a sour note that washes away the entire trilogy.

 I am sorry your comment just lost all creditability as soon as you mentioned that. Lot of peeps don't even respect metacritic anymore because of their trolling.

Sure, ignore the most known collective review database because of recent trolling attempts.

If you actually read the user reviews of ME2 you'd see most of them are valid. People aren't giving zeroes for "Day 1DLC Day1 DLC Day1 DLC!!" or tens for "I'd give an 8 but I need to balance out all the zeroes"

I never considered metacritic the most known collective because of the trolling. I am sorry when you can post reviews of 0 on the first day of release when there is no way you could possibly rate it that fast there is something wrong with that site.

[Sebbe1337o]

ProtoMan 2.0 wrote...

Mass Effect 3 was in most ways an improvement to Mass Effect 2.

Yes, you are correct, it's about the ending.