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[mmm buddah23]

Kanner wrote...

ME2's level design was incredibly tight. I felt I could just faceroll my way through ME3, more or less.

ME2's story is well defined. The goal is 'stop the collectors' and in the ending you manage to 'stop the collectors'. The 'final decision' you mention doesn't affect that outcome, and the game doesn't suddenly veer off into christian space fantasy territory. You don't 'stop the reapers', you get saddled with a three way choice regarding ALL robots ever anywhere that doesn't make any sense physically, biologically, or mechanically. (Most of the comments from people who like the ending have been around big themes and woogly spiritual stuff, in fact).

ME2 has planet scanning, but it's just a vague aside, analogus to mining in WoW or Skyrim. The actual sidequests are huge and awesome, and the DLC *ADDS* to the game, instead of completing the basic narrative. ME3's planet scanning is the core of their side quest, or galactic readiness, system and is badly implements and deathly dull.

ME2 has awesome boss fights and villians (thresher maw, various combos of YMIR mechs and random other elements, gunships helicopters, and of course the human reaper 'DURRH'). ME3 has Kai Leng (the two worst boss fights in any game anywhere, just about) and... whatever the heck that shooting gallery fail on Rannoch was. There was some fun stuff early on, but the demo gave most of it away. =/

ME3's customisation was utterly dull. Pick the +damage mod and... well, you could more or less ignore the other mod, although extra ammo was nice. ME2 weapon upgrades had a huge effect on performance, and you didn't just have to sit in a menu and buy the same upgrade 5 times to get it done. Nor were you forced to make a non-sensical 'meaningful choice' between an upgraded barrel, bigger ammo clip or better scope. I'll just have all three, thanks.

In short, while the early ME3 game, Tuchanka, the biotic students, and such were good fun, the game falls away sharply in the second half, and the finale doesn't even resemble a Mass Effect game at all.

These ARE exactly my thoughts , plus in ME you can hadly be reenegade, all the renegade options are too close to the paragon choices, you could be a BAD ASS in ME 2, in Me 3, its lame, very very lame, and the amount of paragon / renegade options (red or blue) are lame as well, i think i saw a whole 5 in me 3...overall ME2 was more interactive and a good improvement on 1. The thing that bothers me about ME 2 and 3 BOTH is that all classes wear the same armor, which is incredilame. Why in the hell is my adept wearing the same armor as my shock trooper? I should be wearing the same armor as james in 3 as a soldier, not armor lighter than Kaiden.

[billywaffles]

I honestly think that me2 is completely overrated. Too many awards, almost praised to be a "perfection" in the gaming industry. Yet you play it now and realise it has nothing really exciting.

I recently replayed the suicide mission on insanity with an adept and I just facerolled it with zero effort. I do not understand why people really find this mission that exciting. I agree that first time is great.

But yes, me2 is more complete than 3, because of the hubs, the more dlc and the more side-missions. I think me3 citadel part is lame and boring. However I really like the combat and the main missions more in me3.

[mmm buddah23]

billywaffles wrote...

I honestly think that me2 is completely overrated. Too many awards, almost praised to be a "perfection" in the gaming industry. Yet you play it now and realise it has nothing really exciting.

I recently replayed the suicide mission on insanity with an adept and I just facerolled it with zero effort. I do not understand why people really find this mission that exciting. I agree that first time is great.

But yes, me2 is more complete than 3, because of the hubs, the more dlc and the more side-missions. I think me3 citadel part is lame and boring. However I really like the combat and the main missions more in me3.

MAss effect 2 still has way more renegade and paragon options, ME 3 lacks those so much there is no point to even have a paragon / renegade option. I recently played 1 -3 to make some new characters and one was better than both of them, 2 was eons better than three.

Modifié par mmm buddah23, 09 avril 2012 - 10:12 .

[pottman]

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

I'm sorry, I'm just so sick of ME 2 being the gold standard among the mainstream gaming crowd, when ME1 and ME3 are the real gems. ME2 is everything I don't want Bioware to be: Boring, lackluster. It never hit that magical child like feeling deep inside you. 

I'm sorry you think that way.

[Shakaale]

I didn't like ME2, too.

Sure, there was a vast improvement on gameplay and graphism. And quite some new locations to discover - Omega, migrant fleet, first time on tuchanka.

Yet I found the overall game design in regard to the main task extremly poor. it was all a matter of recruiting companion, then speaking to them whenever you had a chance, then doing the loyalty mission when prompted, win. Rinse and repeat until you get through the relay.
I had a feeling of overly linear missions all along the path, like I was in a long hallway with the objective at the end and bad guys to kill. Not to mention the long and tedious planet scans. Overall, I felt ME2 was a monotous, repetitive game. That's the only one I failed to do all over again, to be honest.
Now, sure, one could argue than ME3 also gives the player a lot of long hallway missions, but I felt they were better designed overall, more dynamic. And better written. Like things were actually happening during the missions.

In short, what I found great in ME2 was offset by what I found extremely disappointing. It was the most poorly written of the three, as the plot didn't even matter and the whole game only felt like a prologue for ME3 by introducing a few non-key elements ( except maybe TIM ). But the nervous gameplay ( which I think has been pushed a bit farther in ME3 ) and tight atmosphere, as well as likeable companions, almost made up for it.

ME1 : Story, introduction to a new universe
ME2: New gameplay, darker atmosphere - way too character-centric, though
ME3: Excellent match of gameplay, story, and darker atmosphere

[RedWolf95]

 Personally Mass Effect 3 is my favourite game in the series. The only part I don't like is the ending. I don't hate it but it could have been a lot better.

[mmm buddah23]

People seem to be ignoring something that MADE Mass Effect what it is -THE CHOICES-, that is why Me 2 was better than 3, you could actually be that hero or that ultimate bad ass, in 3, my super bad ass femshep suddenly became the timid femshep.

[LostHH]

I think the worst thing that ME2 done was that damn 'Mission Success' screen. Overall it was a pretty good game.

[AlienSpaceBats]

I like all three games for different reasons, but I suspect the main reason people prefer ME2 to ME3 is because it ends on a high note - that suicide run is so, so good.

Also, ME2 has greater conversation options and has a polished feel that ME3 lacks in places.

They're all flawed in their own way though.

[mmm buddah23]

AlienSpaceBats wrote...

I like all three games for different reasons, but I suspect the main reason people prefer ME2 to ME3 is because it ends on a high note - that suicide run is so, so good.

Also, ME2 has greater conversation options and has a polished feel that ME3 lacks in places.

They're all flawed in their own way though.

My thoughts exactly, and lets not forget the beginning, ME 2 had by far the best beginning.

[Merwanor]

Most of ME3 is an improvment over ME2.

But I really miss more hub worlds, and I do not understand why they removed so much detail, like the ability to sheath my gun, what is up with that?

I do not miss the planet scanning though, that was very boring, but the new minigame is also pointless, because if you fail you can just quickload and repeat.

The customization for weapons is better in ME3, as in ME2 it was kind of pointless.

But what we all know is that ME2 has a much, much better ending than ME3. I don't understand why they did not do something similar for ME3 but on a bigger scale. It brought all your companions into the end. all the stuff you did previously made an impact on who lives or dies, your choices mattered, though it was very easy to make everyone survive it still had an impact.
I am not going to say anything about the ending for ME3 other than it was very poor, and the worst ending Bioware has ever made.

I still think ME3 is better than ME2, because I had much more fun playing it than ME2, better action and more epic scenes as a whole. But ME2 had more dialog and felt more like an RPG to me because of that. And the most important part, all the 4+ times I played through ME2 left me very satisfied. And my 1 playthrough of ME3 left me with a very bad feeling, not for just the game, but the whole series.

All the games are flawed, but all games in general have flaws. Compared to any other shooter type game, all the ME games are much, much better. Though the ending for ME3 brings the whole series down on many levels to.

[Alex_SM]

Mostly because the suicide mission, and the ending, are WAY better than London and the ending of ME3.

[RukiaKuchki]

Faust1979 wrote...

When Mass Effect 2 was first released there was a lot of hate towards it maybe like half the board was split down the middle. There was a lot of hate towards the first ME game to when it first came out.

It's funny how quickly people forget this

[ToaOrka]

I agree with nearly all of what you said, but I have no idea what you mean when you say they both had horrible endings. I personally loved ME2's ending, the frantic rush to get out of the base, and the dramatic reveal that harbinger wasn't actually a collector, it was galaxies better than ME3's.

[ToaOrka]

mmm buddah23 wrote...

People seem to be ignoring something that MADE Mass Effect what it is -THE CHOICES-, that is why Me 2 was better than 3, you could actually be that hero or that ultimate bad ass, in 3, my super bad ass femshep suddenly became the timid femshep.

Really? There are definitely some not timid, badass renegade options, I think the real reason your femshep became timid was because you didn't want to make some of the really hard choices.

[Primalrose]

My gripe with ME2 is that the narrative feels so redundant to the overall story of the trilogy. You can cut out the Collector nonsense and the story would still work. The collector base barely makes any important difference in ME3 either. And Harbinger was nowhere near as cool or scary as Sovereign.

[lillitheris]

Primalrose wrote...

My gripe with ME2 is that the narrative feels so redundant to the overall story of the trilogy. You can cut out the Collector nonsense and the story would still work. The collector base barely makes any important difference in ME3 either. And Harbinger was nowhere near as cool or scary as Sovereign.

I actually kind of like it being a “Woohooo…waaait, what was all this for?” kinda thing. Plus you still get to enjoy the victory after an exhausting end run, and you get to tell TIM to take a hike (or not).

Besides, I think it's a little unfair to pooh-pooh on ME2 because ME3 didn't utilize its storyline properly!

…

I noticed a couple posts above complaining about people not liking ME3 because of the ending, as if it's somehow an invalid opinion. I don't understand that complaint, at all. I mean, it's great if you like the ending or can look beyond it, but… At least in this thread, can we just agree that liking or not liking the ending is just an opinion, and argue the validity of that opinion somewhere else?

[chevyguy87]

I prefer ME3 overall. The smaller squad selection was perfect. I recall not using half my squad mates in ME2 because there were always two that had the same abilities. I like the squad in ME3 because they each bring something different to the fray. ME2 became boring to me at certain parts. Whereas ME3 always throws something my way.

I still have all three games and I will continue to play all three games because I enjoy them (regardless of what others say) but overall I think ME3 is better then the other two in certain ways.
Combat wise especially.... God I hated combat in the other two games. It felt too slow and clunky.

[78stonewobble]

Well all 3 games have their up's and downs.

However out of the 3 my best will be either 2 or 3.

ME1, had alot of depth in weapons, upgrade and armour departments but the gunplay itself is just so unbearable clunky that I cannot get back into it.

Perhaps it's because I come from the shooter genre and have afterwards been "spoilt" by the sequels.

EDIT and PS.

Regarding choices.

Your choices from ME1 didn't have much bearing on ME2 and choices from either the first ones didn't have much bearing on ME3. Atleast IMHO.

There is no "wrong choice" in ME1, ME2 that leads to reapers win eg.

I think the war assets thing was just about the best the company could possibly do.

Otherwise they would need too much extra material.

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 09 avril 2012 - 11:37 .

[Aeowyn]

Uh, Mass Effect 2 is the worst game in the series, and "nostalgia" won't make me change my mind about it. I'm one of those "idiots" who think that ME1 is the best one in the series.

ME3 was alright, but it was too rushed, too much rushed writing which makes no sense, too much autodialogue, too many cutscenes, too much Gears.

[Freestate2nd]

because they compare me+10 hours of dlc gameplay vs me3 plain game.And the suicide mission of course.

[78stonewobble]

Aeowyn wrote...

Uh, Mass Effect 2 is the worst game in the series, and "nostalgia" won't make me change my mind about it. I'm one of those "idiots" who think that ME1 is the best one in the series.

ME3 was alright, but it was too rushed, too much rushed writing which makes no sense, too much autodialogue, too many cutscenes, too much Gears.

ME1 love? Thats just "nostalgia".

[wildannie]

I don't know about the 'general consensus' but for me, ME3 is the only game in the series that I did not enjoy, I can see that it is a good game but the lack of choices available and auto dialogue made the choices I had already made in ME2 feel completely redundant. If you made the 'right' choices in ME2 you're fine, if not your shepard may seem unrecognisable to the one you knew in ME1 & 2 this stings the most because it was the final game in a trilogy and fixes seem unlikely.


Had the above issues not ruined my enjoyment of the game my gripes would have been :-

The journal
Turret sections
annoying boss fights
The end (with proposed extended cut)

I would have been able overlook these problems and enjoy the game though.

[cyclopsgd]

brett0560 wrote...

I think there are a few reasons some people like ME2 more than ME3:
1. They hate the ME3 ending.
2. They may like the ME2 companions more (legion, and thane anyone?).
3. They liked visiting and exploring more hub worlds, like omega, not just the citadel.
4. They probably liked the suicide run for ME2 end game, where your choices actually had a huge emotional impact (not saying this isn't also in ME3).
5. This may just be me, but ME2 seemed to have more content.

As for me, I like both equally, and since I haven't finished 3 yet (right at the end, don't want to beat it yet) I shouldn't judge.