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[stonbw1]

Cazychel, I agree about the payoff from playing ME2. I've argued here on the BSN that ME3 was much more about the relationships you've made in the series rather than Reapers, relays, and bad endings. I thought BW did a fantastic job of giving us character reunions, whether they be as squadmates or just run-ins during missions or on the Citadel.

[malhar34]

The depth of ME2 was much better I loved the mini stories surround each character and each side quest felt like a mini story. ME3 had listen and fetch quests which is trash i'm sorry but thats utter laziness. Why would I want a MAJORITY of my sidequests to be scan a planet and go talk to some one. Garbage. I am replaying ME1 right now and the side quests really suck you into the game. Only grissom academy and a couple others really did that to me in ME3. ME2 loyalty missions were slappers that kind of depth was unmatched in ME3.

[Tarpeian Rock]

1. better ending.
2. better ending.
3. better ending
4. Sense of Hope
5. ????
6. PROFIT!!!

[wright1978]

ME2 was in my opinion a far superior game. Obviously a middle part of a trilogy is a very different beast to the conlcuding one but still....

[mustardshake57]

To sum up most of ME3 dialog...
1. So...this is it
2. If we make it, i/you owe you/me a drink

must have heard those two lines or at least a variation of about 40 times
ME2 was all about getting a crew with a death wish, and kicking ass in the unknown

Modifié par mustardshake57, 10 avril 2012 - 08:16 .

[EsSeven]

For me, the number one overriding thing that prevents me from 'clicking' with ME3 is the borked character creator. They dropped the ball so hard on this one, there's a sizeable dent in the floor.

I've played through the first two games numerous time, and will again, but the fact I am being asked to play through 3 with a strange, scowling 'look-alike' character is stopping me from playing it at all. Didn't realise before just how attached I had become to my Shepard.

As I started the game faced with this immediate negativity, it does highlight all of the flaws that keep cropping up.

One of the worst: Most 'active' side missions seem to be of the 'enter an arena and fight of re-spawning waves of goons. Then push a button' type. I detest these missions.

[poerksen]

ME2's Terminator vs M3's Kai Leng? Why are you peeps even discussing the terminator, when the villain in ME3 is a space ninja who likes to pose and calls on his allies, whenever he is in trouble.

Seriously, Kai Leng is the lamest villain I have ever seen.
ME3 has both the worst ending and villain ever.

I was kind of looking forward to learning more about the "Terminator" from ME2 in ME3. Another dissapointment I guess.

[ProtoMan 2.0]

Tarpeian Rock wrote...

1. better ending.
2. better ending.
3. better ending
4. Sense of Hope
5. ????
6. PROFIT!!!

You judge games based only on their ending?

Lack of hope is good in my opinion, ME3 had the darker theme ME2 was supposed to have.

poerksen wrote...

ME2's Terminator vs M3's Kai Leng? Why
are you peeps even discussing the terminator, when the villain in ME3 is
a space ninja who likes to pose and calls on his allies, whenever he is
in trouble.

Seriously, Kai Leng is the lamest villain I have ever seen.
ME3 has both the worst ending and villain ever.

I was kind of looking forward to learning more about the "Terminator" from ME2 in ME3. Another dissapointment I guess.

They are not comparable to each other, the human reaper is a
last minute plot device and Kai Leng is a secondary antagonist who has
little impact on the game's quality.

wright1978 wrote...

ME2 was in my opinion a far superior
game. Obviously a middle part of a trilogy is a very different beast to
the conlcuding one but still....

Mass Effect 2 is not a conventional middle part. It has very little to do with the series' overarching narrative.
It is more like a spin-off.

It is as if The Empire Strikes Back would be half an hour long and Luke would have been fighting battle droids instead of the empire.

Modifié par ProtoMan 2.0, 11 avril 2012 - 12:01 .

[ProtoMan 2.0]

Sorry for this double post.

Modifié par ProtoMan 2.0, 10 avril 2012 - 11:54 .

[kraze07]

I personally like ME3 more than 2. It has its flaws but it feels like a proper sequel to ME1 imo.

[Tarpeian Rock]

ProtoMan 2.0 wrote...

Tarpeian Rock wrote...

1. better ending.
2. better ending.
3. better ending
4. Sense of Hope
5. ????
6. PROFIT!!!

You judge games based only on their ending?

Lack of hope is good in my opinion, ME3 had the darker theme ME2 was supposed to have.

        

That's not what I meant by hope. ME2, although an outstanding game in many ways, is still, from a broad perspective, a transistion game. It's there to be awesome, and to get us further along in the story. Even if ME2 had had similiar issues to ME3, fan outcry would have been less because Bioware would have had another game ahead of them to make things right, and Fan's and Dev's would both be able to look back at ME2 as a game that firmly established the dialogue between players/developers for the series.

But this is the last game of the trilogy. They can't fix it with another game, or at least, they most likely won't. This was their big grand finale; the one everyone was waiting for, to the point that I, who have never gone to a midnight release, actually went to get the midnight release.

And then this RGB madness happened. They don't get to go "Okay guys, back to the drawing board for ME3", they don't get a mulligan.

In essence, there was still something to hope for at the end of ME2, for the trilogy itself. Now? Not so much, in my personal opinion.

[Surprise Guest]

I think I'm a bigger fan of ME2, mainly because of the great cast of characters we got to enjoy, and the diversity and pacing of its missions. The collector base mission was also a really great way to bring it all together.

[ProtoMan 2.0]

Tarpeian Rock wrote...

ProtoMan 2.0 wrote...

Tarpeian Rock wrote...

1. better ending.
2. better ending.
3. better ending
4. Sense of Hope
5. ????
6. PROFIT!!!

You judge games based only on their ending?

Lack of hope is good in my opinion, ME3 had the darker theme ME2 was supposed to have.

        

That's not what I meant by hope. ME2, although an outstanding game in many ways, is still, from a broad perspective, a transistion game. It's there to be awesome, and to get us further along in the story. Even if ME2 had had similiar issues to ME3, fan outcry would have been less because Bioware would have had another game ahead of them to make things right, and Fan's and Dev's would both be able to look back at ME2 as a game that firmly established the dialogue between players/developers for the series.

But this is the last game of the trilogy. They can't fix it with another game, or at least, they most likely won't. This was their big grand finale; the one everyone was waiting for, to the point that I, who have never gone to a midnight release, actually went to get the midnight release.

And then this RGB madness happened. They don't get to go "Okay guys, back to the drawing board for ME3", they don't get a mulligan.

In essence, there was still something to hope for at the end of ME2, for the trilogy itself. Now? Not so much, in my personal opinion.

So as long as a game is getting a sequel, narrative flaws are irrelevant?
Mass Effect 2 is only good because Mass Effect 3 addresses it's flaws?
What insane breed of logic is this?

[ProtoMan 2.0]

MichaelSD wrote...

One word: choices. I had more choices to make.

Also, I the whole game design was better: levels. characters, story, etc.

You did not have more choices, at least not more relevant ones. There were only a handfull of meaningfull choices and barely any of them had consequences within Mass Effect 2.
Mass Effect 3 had more choices than Mass Effect 2 and all of them had consequences within the game
Most choices from ME2 and 1 had consequences in Mass Effect 3. ME2 had almost no consequences from ME1's choices.

Game design is significantly better in Mass Effect 3, there is absolutely nothing that indicates otherwise.

Mass Effect 2 had more sidequest, but in turn had barely a handfull of story mission, few of which mattered at all.

Mass Effect 3 had main characters that were actually involved in the story.

Mass Effect 2 has an incredibly short story, the story that is there does not involve any of the characters except Shepard, Miranda, Mordin, The Illusive Man and Harbinger. Everyone else can be cut out without changing a thing.

ed87 wrote...

At the end of ME2 i felt like a hero... even
if Jack and half the normandy died. Ive done 4 playthroughs in ME2.
Plus ME2 had more dialogue choices, which does help with the replay
value.

ME3 was a nice collection of mini-stories, but the story as a whole was a let-down.

Mass Effect 2 was a collection of mini-stories, a small minority of those had any effect on the narrative.

Mass Effect 3 was a full story with different segments all of which affect and are affected by the overarching narrative.

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

ME1 is story-wise
ME2 is character-wise
ME3 is gameplay-wise
So choose which one is more interesting to you ...

Mass Effect 3 has a bigger story focus than Mass Effect 1.
ME1 was much more about introducing the universe and main themes.

Modifié par ProtoMan 2.0, 11 avril 2012 - 12:44 .

[Udalango]

I like that you had to work for certain dialouge options in ME2. Like jack saying "They sure did like that moon" I didnt get that on some of my playthroughs and Idk why.
But the "Emergency Induction Port" was just straight up handed to you. I wouldve liked to control wayyyyy more dialogue in ME3

[The_Shootist]

1>2>3, in my mind.

[xZitx]

Well, I like all three of them. 3 is the most recent experience, so maybe I am biased, but I liked it better than 2. (Had a lot of fun playing that one, too). It felt more dramatic and everything - I know, ME2 is about that supercool suicide mission and how you're supposed to do the impossible (e.g. survive this mission), but I really felt that hopelessness and the stress of the situation much more in ME3. I liked how my Shepard was beginning to show her human side... I know there are quite a few people who dislike this and say it's not their Shepard, but I can totally relate. I mean... If I was in such a situation, I would've broken at the very beginning of the story, I think I really loved how the game made me feel this desperation.
ME2 didn't quite accomplish this, so 3>2 imo

[The Confidence-Man]

More hubs, many of the missions had at least some little side-objectives or characters to deal with where there ME3's missions were 100% linear shooter, still had hacking/bypass, no stupid reapers chasing you on the map, more squad members to choose from, ending level could play out very differently depending on your choices.

[Elite Midget]

ME1>ME2>ME3

[Gigamantis]

I like both about the same. I felt ME2 had more diverse conversation and character development while ME3 had vastly superior gameplay.  

Modifié par Gigamantis, 11 avril 2012 - 01:53 .

[macarius5]

Because of the lackluster ending in ME3. Player choice (made in the previous & current installment) has no major impact on the outcome other than the war asset & the three choices provided by the catalyst child. Whereas ME2, you can control the outcome in the suicide mission. In terms of gameplay, ME3 is superior to ME2.

[xsdob]

It just happens, every new bioware game is the next "this is the end of everything." deal, and progressively, fans hate is getting higher and higher concentrations as bioware experiments with their story telling and gameplay mechanics and executions.

Come DA3's time in the spotlight, I predict it will be burned in effigy and that people will begin making long treks to bioware edmonton to throw rocks, bricks, and copies of the game at their headquarters, and everyone here will say that at least the mass effect series didn't get ruined by bioware.

[PiEman]

xsdob wrote...

It just happens, every new bioware game is the next "this is the end of everything." deal, and progressively, fans hate is getting higher and higher concentrations as bioware experiments with their story telling and gameplay mechanics and executions.

Come DA3's time in the spotlight, I predict it will be burned in effigy and that people will begin making long treks to bioware edmonton to throw rocks, bricks, and copies of the game at their headquarters, and everyone here will say that at least the mass effect series didn't get ruined by bioware.

Oh shut the **** up.

If ME3 had the ending the devs had been saying it would have since ME1, then this wouldn't be happening. People would still find things to complain about, sure, but it would be much smaller and less concentrated on one aspect of the game. I have no doubt that if the biggest problem the game had was a crappy Journal system or lack of weapon holstering, there woudln't be any charities being donated to to make a point.

I'm sick of people like you trying to play this off as something smaller than it is. The devs lied, blatantly lied, and because of people like you, they will be able to continuously do it with impunity.

[Gigamantis]

PiEman wrote...

xsdob wrote...

It just happens, every new bioware game is the next "this is the end of everything." deal, and progressively, fans hate is getting higher and higher concentrations as bioware experiments with their story telling and gameplay mechanics and executions.

Come DA3's time in the spotlight, I predict it will be burned in effigy and that people will begin making long treks to bioware edmonton to throw rocks, bricks, and copies of the game at their headquarters, and everyone here will say that at least the mass effect series didn't get ruined by bioware.

Oh shut the **** up.

If ME3 had the ending the devs had been saying it would have since ME1, then this wouldn't be happening. People would still find things to complain about, sure, but it would be much smaller and less concentrated on one aspect of the game. I have no doubt that if the biggest problem the game had was a crappy Journal system or lack of weapon holstering, there woudln't be any charities being donated to to make a point.

I'm sick of people like you trying to play this off as something smaller than it is. The devs lied, blatantly lied, and because of people like you, they will be able to continuously do it with impunity.

The ending not having as many possibilities as you THOUGHT you were promised is just as insignificant as everything else you mentioned, and rest assured if it wasn't the ending it would be something else.  The charity you all threw money at without even knowing what it was for just proved you're all irrational and gullible, which was true every time you all thought you were fighting back the holocaust. 

I honestly can't wait to see what stupidity you all invent for DA3.  Watching Bioware's horrible fanbase implode is becoming and entertaining hobby.  

Modifié par Gigamantis, 11 avril 2012 - 02:28 .

[Alpha-Centuri]

Mass effect 3 is superior in almost every way to Mass effect 2. Almost. Just so happens that the one thing that ME3 fails at happens to be a integral part of the game.