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[Ozzyfan223]

Is this the case with Bioware? Think about, aside from DAII (which, in my opinion, they suspected such backlash for the risks they took), Bioware hasn't really been the bane of such serious, unified backlash.

I believe this is the first time where Bioware has had it handed to them, and that what they thought was great, really wasn't. And they can't face the facts, so they hide behind their "Artistic integrity" and seem to completely contradict themselves when it comes to them being dedicated to their fans.

I get the feeling Bioware has never had to experience this kind of thing before, where their grand centerpiece goes up in flames, and all they can do is go about acting as if they are not the ones to blame. When a spoiled kid is so used to getting what he wants, when the time comes that he is told "no" he throws a hissy fit and continue to live in complete denial of the fact that life doesn't always give you what you want.

Bioware lacks humility, and I'm sorry to say it. No company that truly believes in its fanbase would point to critics reviews and wave their banner of "artistic intergrity". I company that really cares about itself, and its fans, is one that, yes, can be proud of it's creation, but also have the guts to stand up and say they messed up.

[MyChemicalBromance]

The main problem is a lack of communication and clarity in the ending. If they had made it clearer on day 1 that the relays didn't vaporize everyone, the ending would not have seemed so bleak.

[AtlasMickey]

Ozzyfan223 wrote...
Bioware lacks humility,

I think you mean BioWare's fans.

[Ozzyfan223]

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

The main problem is a lack of communication and clarity in the ending. If they had made it clearer on day 1 that the relays didn't vaporize everyone, the ending would not have seemed so bleak.

I thought it was bleak that they decided to dessimate the entire universe of Mass Effect. And they did that by destroying the mass relays.

I can't fathom why an option to save the galaxy that I fell in love with wasn't an option, and instead we were all forced to abide by what they wanted us to, despite being told otherwise.

[Ozzyfan223]

AtlasMickey wrote...

Ozzyfan223 wrote...
Bioware lacks humility,

I think you mean BioWare's fans.

some do, sure, and some don't. I respect Bioware, a little less now. Not because they made a bad ending, but becuase of their blatant lies and misgivings mostly.

[nhsknudsen]

The ending wouldn't have been so bad if... (yes it would still suck with a god kid, but expectations).

It was literally impossible to save everyone in the suicide mission, make both Miranda and Jack stand down happily. Make Legion and Tali stand down happily. Get both Krogan AND Salarian support and making peace between Geth and Quarians.

Now if we had forced choices of death like the VS and we had to make those choices throughout the series with forced loss people wouldn't expect the happy ending, at least not the happy ending where everyone is saved (that we care about; read; crew and Shepard)

[mumwaldee369]

AtlasMickey wrote...

Ozzyfan223 wrote...
Bioware lacks humility,

I think you mean BioWare's fans.

Don't worry.  If they don't fix this mess there won't be many left for you to play with.

[Grusome11]

Actually, at OP, I think it is the opposite.

I think EA pressured them and demanded MP, then they ran out of time. Even with a 3 month extension, they had to make a bunch of decisions to meet their schedule.

They cannot blame the boss (EA), so the best thing is to keep quiet.

The fact that they are keeping quiet speaks volumes about who is at fault. If it was BW, they would just take the blame and either fix it or say they are not going to fix it. EA suits are not going to take the blame and BW can't point the finger at them, so they say nothing.

Modifié par Grusome11, 09 avril 2012 - 02:26 .

[Grasich]

Have to agree.

Kind of strange when all their PR releases just cause more hate and flames, while one unofficial interview with Weekes subsides a lot of rage.

They really don't seem to know how to handle this, and are just throwing a temper tantrum.

[UrgentArchengel]

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

The main problem is a lack of communication and clarity in the ending. If they had made it clearer on day 1 that the relays didn't vaporize everyone, the ending would not have seemed so bleak.

[Sajuro]

Grasich wrote...

Have to agree.

Kind of strange when all their PR releases just cause more hate and flames, while one unofficial interview with Weekes subsides a lot of rage.

They really don't seem to know how to handle this, and are just throwing a temper tantrum.

Just to be clear, are we talking about the 'fans' or bioware? The only temper tantrums I see are "I can't ever touch another video game because the ending ruined all of Mass Effect forever!"

[LadyofRivendell]

Came in here expecting the Oompa Loompa song.
Was disappointed.

[mumwaldee369]

Sajuro wrote...

Grasich wrote...

Have to agree.

Kind of strange when all their PR releases just cause more hate and flames, while one unofficial interview with Weekes subsides a lot of rage.

They really don't seem to know how to handle this, and are just throwing a temper tantrum.

Just to be clear, are we talking about the 'fans' or bioware? The only temper tantrums I see are "I can't ever touch another video game because the ending ruined all of Mass Effect forever!"

Empirical evidence that those that continue to support bw in their mediocrity fail at reading comprehension.

Modifié par mumwaldee369, 09 avril 2012 - 02:34 .

[RoboticWater]

Bioware has no humility?

Having no humility would be saying that the endings were perfect and all the fans are stupid to think otherwise.

The point of stating the review scores is to counteract the "the ending is factually bad and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot" responses from the fans. It's basically saying "Sorry but we must have done something right, these guys seem to think so." And the artistic integrity thing is their explanation for why they don't want to change them. It's not "The endings are perfect get used to it" it's "Sorry but we made these endings for a reason and we want to keep them that way because we have a right to."

Modifié par BlahDog, 09 avril 2012 - 02:44 .

[Jackal7713]

AtlasMickey wrote...

Ozzyfan223 wrote...
Bioware lacks humility,

I think you mean BioWare's fans.

I think your confused on who pays who.

[RoboticWater]

Jackal7713 wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

Ozzyfan223 wrote...
Bioware lacks humility,

I think you mean BioWare's fans.

I think your confused on who pays who.

I think you're confused on who makes games for who.

[MyChemicalBromance]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

Came in here expecting the Oompa Loompa song.
Was disappointed.

Ya gotta have hope.

[mumwaldee369]

BlahDog wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

Ozzyfan223 wrote...
Bioware lacks humility,

I think you mean BioWare's fans.

I think your confused on who pays who.

I think you're confused on who makes games for who.

Only we can live without their games and they'll go out of business without our money.  See how that works?   We support them, not the other way around.

[Freedom1]

nhsknudsen wrote...

The ending wouldn't have been so bad if... (yes it would still suck with a god kid, but expectations).

It was literally impossible to save everyone in the suicide mission, make both Miranda and Jack stand down happily. Make Legion and Tali stand down happily. Get both Krogan AND Salarian support and making peace between Geth and Quarians.

Now if we had forced choices of death like the VS and we had to make those choices throughout the series with forced loss people wouldn't expect the happy ending, at least not the happy ending where everyone is saved (that we care about; read; crew and Shepard)

Actually in the suicide mission, everyone survived and i didn't have the loyalty of miranda. granted maybe that was because i had her in my party fighting the human reaper but who knows. Point is, everyone survived.

[Grimskull89]

mumwaldee369 wrote...

BlahDog wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

Ozzyfan223 wrote...
Bioware lacks humility,

I think you mean BioWare's fans.

I think your confused on who pays who.

I think you're confused on who makes games for who.

Only we can live without their games and they'll go out of business without our money.  See how that works?   We support them, not the other way around.

Hence the hold the wallet group

[Grasich]

Freedom1 wrote...

nhsknudsen wrote...

The ending wouldn't have been so bad if... (yes it would still suck with a god kid, but expectations).

It was literally impossible to save everyone in the suicide mission, make both Miranda and Jack stand down happily. Make Legion and Tali stand down happily. Get both Krogan AND Salarian support and making peace between Geth and Quarians.

Now if we had forced choices of death like the VS and we had to make those choices throughout the series with forced loss people wouldn't expect the happy ending, at least not the happy ending where everyone is saved (that we care about; read; crew and Shepard)

Actually in the suicide mission, everyone survived and i didn't have the loyalty of miranda. granted maybe that was because i had her in my party fighting the human reaper but who knows. Point is, everyone survived.

That was his point. It's possible throughout the rest of the series to have everything go perfectly, so people expect that it should be possible (even if it's difficult) for you to be able to get a "Perfect" ending (even if lots of people die in the war, you should be able to save Shep and all your crew.)

ME has never been a game about inevitability, basically.

[Agiyosi]

I see where you're coming from. Whatever side you fall on the endings, they (as a company) have handled this entire scenario with a clumsy, brutish smugness. Some individuals have transcended that.

I look at BioWare as a system. The system is not fan-friendly. It is corporate based. The individuals whom clock in for BW to do art design, write dialogue, programs lines of code, etc., bust their hump for a paycheck (and not to say a paycheck devoid of fulfillment). Respect the individuals. Hate the system. (Respect the player? Hate the game?)

[cutegigi]

AtlasMickey wrote...

Ozzyfan223 wrote...
Bioware lacks humility,

I think you mean BioWare's fans.

yes. I think he/she was reffering to you. 
BioWare's biggest fan.

[RoboticWater]

mumwaldee369 wrote...
Only we can live without their games and they'll go out of business without our money.  See how that works?   We support them, not the other way around.

And yet so many still think that "support" means control.

[mumwaldee369]

BlahDog wrote...

mumwaldee369 wrote...
Only we can live without their games and they'll go out of business without our money.  See how that works?   We support them, not the other way around.

And yet so many still think that "support" means control.

The customer is always right.  At least if you want to continue receiving their money.  Get over your "artistic integrity" and suck it up.  Now get back to work.