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[lx_theo]

 *Readies Omni-Shield of Invulnerability*

Yes, I said it. The ending was good. It wasn't great. It wasn't amazing. It wasn't the quality the series deserved to end on after such a great run. But it was good.

Many of the so called "plotholes" can easily be explained relatively easily without creating a whole conspiracy around it. There are a few that seem like oversights, like the sudden appearance of certain characters in ending scenes.

The whole Indoctrination Theory is just silly, and while it would be cool, it would also make no sense for Bioware to do without having actual content afterwards in the released title. Not to mention much of this "proof" is nothing of the sort, and a lot of it is non sequitur even when together.

Other than that, the greatest failing was that it didn't provide enough closure. The universe had many ways it could develop afterwards based on how things turned out on many different fronts throughout the game. The problem with the ending is that it doesn't reference these and specify what happens to provide said closure. Bioware is doing the smart thing is offering an ending that gives more closure.

So, the ending was good. All this hate for it is absolutely ridiculous.

EDIT: Here is me addressing the issue of "plotholes"
http://social.biowar...3404/4#11197542

Modifié par lx_theo, 09 avril 2012 - 07:18 .

[Zany Jedi]

In that case, could you please explain the plotholes? Also I would be hard pressed to call an ending with a deus ex machina good, lazy and poorly written is more like it in my opinion.

[OutlawTorn6806]

Get ready for Kbct and his crew. And his poll. lol

[lx_theo]

Zany Jedi wrote...

In that case, could you please explain the plotholes? Also I would be hard pressed to call an ending with a deus ex machina good, lazy and poorly written is more like it in my opinion.

Set out the plotholes then. I don't see many that aren't just trying to pick holes in it.

[Kanner]

What was good about it?

[acidic-ph0]

Anyone who believes that deus ex machina is a good way to end a story like Mass Effect doesn't know what good writing is.

In fact deus ex machina is practically synonymous with bad writing.

[Dragoonlordz]

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Get ready for Kbct and his crew. And his poll. lol

So true.

[Zany Jedi]

lx_theo wrote...

Zany Jedi wrote...

In that case, could you please explain the plotholes? Also I would be hard pressed to call an ending with a deus ex machina good, lazy and poorly written is more like it in my opinion.

Set out the plotholes then. I don't see many that aren't just trying to pick holes in it.

Here's a link to all the problems with the ending. And as the document says, it's not nitpicking it's things about the ending that just don't make sense. Also, you never mentioned anything about previous choices not making any difference, which is my main gripe about the ending. What's your opinion about that?

Modifié par Zany Jedi, 09 avril 2012 - 04:02 .

[The_Shootist]

1) destroy civilization, or 2) become your enemy, or 3) make all sentient beings cybernetic against their will.

Yep, right up there with Plan 9 from Outer Space and Attack of the Killer Tomatoes.

[floppypig]

lx_theo wrote...

 *Readies Omni-Shield of Invulnerability*

Yes, I said it. The ending was good. It wasn't great. It wasn't amazing. It wasn't the quality the series deserved to end on after such a great run. But it was good.

Many of the so called "plotholes" can easily be explained relatively easily without creating a whole conspiracy around it. There are a few that seem like oversights, like the sudden appearance of certain characters in ending scenes.

The whole Indoctrination Theory is just silly, and while it would be cool, it would also make no sense for Bioware to do without having actual content afterwards in the released title. Not to mention much of this "proof" is nothing of the sort, and a lot of it is non sequitur even when together.

Other than that, the greatest failing was that it didn't provide enough closure. The universe had many ways it could develop afterwards based on how things turned out on many different fronts throughout the game. The problem with the ending is that it doesn't reference these and specify what happens to provide said closure. Bioware is doing the smart thing is offering an ending that gives more closure.

So, the ending was good. All this hate for it is absolutely ridiculous.

100% Agree. And it looks like the extended cut should give us that closure. 

Also, mostof the plotholes can be answered with just a little bit of imagination - it really isn't that difficult. 

[SteamieHotPlayer]

good? then you are the minority.

[addiction21]

I do not think it was "good" but it sure as hell could of been better. Of course this was a hole both ME1 and ME2 dug so I was not expecting much.

[Dragoonlordz]

SteamieHotPlayer wrote...

good? then you are the minority.

And thats supposed to change his enjoyment of it how? For not being a sheep he should enjoy it less?

Majority or minority is irrelevant here.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 09 avril 2012 - 04:06 .

[lx_theo]

acidic-ph0 wrote...

Anyone who believes that deus ex machina is a good way to end a story like Mass Effect doesn't know what good writing is.

In fact deus ex machina is practically synonymous with bad writing.

You have a better way to defeat the Reapers in one fell stroke? Unless you were expecting the beginning of a scavenger hunt be on the Crucible, there wasn't much other way the story could have ended.

SteamieHotPlayer wrote...

good? then you are the minority.

A minority on the internet. And we all know that the vocal part of the internet is the absolute voice of all who played it.

Kanner wrote...

What was good about it?

It fit the theme tof the game.
It really wrapped me up in the moment when the time came.
It wasn't a happy ending. That would have seem more like pandering than anything.

Overall it was satisfying enough to not make me mad, but it wasn't amazing enough for me to incredibly happy about it either.

[charmingcharlie]

The_Shootist wrote...  Yep, right up there with Plan 9 from Outer Space and Attack of the Killer Tomatoes.

Now come on that is a bit strong I mean to lump Mass Effect 3's ending with the likes of Plan 9 from outer space and Attack of the Killer Tomatoes.  It is pretty obvious that compared to Mass Effect 3's ending Plan 9 and Killer Tomatoes made a hell of a lot more sense than ME 3's ending ever will and both display a level of "artistic integrity" that Mass Effect 3 could never match.

lx_theo wrote...  A minority on the internet. And we all know
that the vocal part of the internet is the absolute voice of all who
played it.

Yeah right a "minority of the internet" that is why Bioware are chucking resources at trying to salvage the situation because of a "minority" of players.  If it was a minority there is no way Bioware would be doing this "extended cut" rubbish.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 09 avril 2012 - 04:12 .

[addiction21]

SteamieHotPlayer wrote...

good? then you are the minority.

Because the so called "majority" has always proven itself to be so great thru history.

No the majority has always tended to be those extermists that will go far out of their way to push their own opinions on everbody else.

[Drogonion]

TIN EAR noun1.  an insensitivity to melodic, rhythmic, and harmonic variety in music.2.  an insensitivity to subtlety or appropriateness in verbal expression: a tin ear for clear, precise prose.

See dictionary.reference.com/browse/tin+ear.

My guess is that the OP has a "tin ear" for dramatic narrative.  Many do, just as many have a "tin ear" for musical rhythm.  Fortunately though, this category of player is pretty small.  

The current endings provide little to no catharsis, among other problems.  If you do not feel this, no amount of argument that hasn't already been made here will enable you to understand it.  If you are having trouble hearing the beat to dance to, my yelling louder at you won't make a wit of difference.

[lx_theo]

charmingcharlie wrote...

lx_theo wrote...  A minority on the internet. And we all know
that the vocal part of the internet is the absolute voice of all who
played it.

Yeah right a "minority of the internet" that is why Bioware are chucking resources at trying to salvage the situation because of a "minority" of players.  If it was a minority there is no way Bioware would be doing this "extended cut" rubbish.

*facepalm*

You don't think its to curb bad PR? If any group is vocal enough about something, they will give enough bad PR that it could hurt their reputation enough for later sales. Business. Simple.

[kbct]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Get ready for Kbct and his crew. And his poll. lol

So true.

Okay, fair enough. No polls for now. How about this? This is the best gif I've seen for ME3:

[mebtru]

He dont even have the game registered.
Fail troll 1/10 for making me write

[sparkyo42]

floppypig wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

 *Readies Omni-Shield of Invulnerability*

Yes, I said it. The ending was good. It wasn't great. It wasn't amazing. It wasn't the quality the series deserved to end on after such a great run. But it was good.

Many of the so called "plotholes" can easily be explained relatively easily without creating a whole conspiracy around it. There are a few that seem like oversights, like the sudden appearance of certain characters in ending scenes.

The whole Indoctrination Theory is just silly, and while it would be cool, it would also make no sense for Bioware to do without having actual content afterwards in the released title. Not to mention much of this "proof" is nothing of the sort, and a lot of it is non sequitur even when together.

Other than that, the greatest failing was that it didn't provide enough closure. The universe had many ways it could develop afterwards based on how things turned out on many different fronts throughout the game. The problem with the ending is that it doesn't reference these and specify what happens to provide said closure. Bioware is doing the smart thing is offering an ending that gives more closure.

So, the ending was good. All this hate for it is absolutely ridiculous.

100% Agree. And it looks like the extended cut should give us that closure. 

Also, mostof the plotholes can be answered with just a little bit of imagination - it really isn't that difficult. 

Sure and after Ackbar orders the attack, we could have a random selection of stills to end the Star Wars Triology, and be told as we the original viewers leave the cinema to imagine everything else. Except not even Lucas would be that dumb.

An Ending should end things not leave SPECULATION for everyone.

To me if a writer tells me to "imagine" major issues/answers in the story then they are just lazy or don't give a **** about the story or the fans.

Modifié par sparkyo42, 09 avril 2012 - 04:20 .

[clipped_wolf]

 

It fit the theme tof the game.  

As a fan of anime I'm used to surreal and non-sensical endings, but my first issue with the ME3 ending was the betrayal of themes.  You and I must have picked up on different themes.

Modifié par clipped_wolf, 09 avril 2012 - 04:21 .

[Drogonion]

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Get ready for Kbct and his crew. And his poll. lol

So true.

Okay, fair enough. No polls for now. How about this? This is the best gif I've seen for ME3:

LMAO.  Hilarious.

[lx_theo]

mebtru wrote...

He dont even have the game registered.
Fail troll 1/10 for making me write

My brother bought it  back over his spring break for college. I played it over that. I didn't want to use his registration code. I've yet to buy it myself adn play through it again. I'm currently playing through ME1 and 2 again before I go adn buy it.

Modifié par lx_theo, 09 avril 2012 - 04:24 .