kbct wrote...
Dragoonlordz wrote...
OutlawTorn6806 wrote...
Get ready for Kbct and his crew. And his poll. lol
So true.
Okay, fair enough. No polls for now. How about this? This is the best gif I've seen for ME3:
sparkyo42 wrote...
floppypig wrote...
lx_theo wrote...
*Readies Omni-Shield of Invulnerability*
Yes, I said it. The ending was good. It wasn't great. It wasn't amazing. It wasn't the quality the series deserved to end on after such a great run. But it was good.
Many of the so called "plotholes" can easily be explained relatively easily without creating a whole conspiracy around it. There are a few that seem like oversights, like the sudden appearance of certain characters in ending scenes.
The whole Indoctrination Theory is just silly, and while it would be cool, it would also make no sense for Bioware to do without having actual content afterwards in the released title. Not to mention much of this "proof" is nothing of the sort, and a lot of it is non sequitur even when together.
Other than that, the greatest failing was that it didn't provide enough closure. The universe had many ways it could develop afterwards based on how things turned out on many different fronts throughout the game. The problem with the ending is that it doesn't reference these and specify what happens to provide said closure. Bioware is doing the smart thing is offering an ending that gives more closure.
So, the ending was good. All this hate for it is absolutely ridiculous.
100% Agree. And it looks like the extended cut should give us that closure.
Also, mostof the plotholes can be answered with just a little bit of imagination - it really isn't that difficult.
Sure and after Ackbar orders the attack, we could have a random selection of stills to end the Star Wars Triology, and be told as we the original viewers leave the cinema to imagine everything else. Except not even Lucas would be that dumb.
An Ending should end things not leave SPECULATION for everyone.
To me if a writer tells me to "imagine" major issues/answers in the story then they are just lazy or don't give a **** about the story or the fans.
lx_theo wrote... *facepalm*
You don't think its to curb bad PR? If any group is vocal enough about something, they will give enough bad PR that it could hurt their reputation enough for later sales. Business. Simple.
lx_theo wrote...
acidic-ph0 wrote...
Anyone who believes that deus ex machina is a good way to end a story like Mass Effect doesn't know what good writing is.
In fact deus ex machina is practically synonymous with bad writing.
You have a better way to defeat the Reapers in one fell stroke? Unless you were expecting the beginning of a scavenger hunt be on the Crucible, there wasn't much other way the story could have ended.SteamieHotPlayer wrote...
good? then you are the minority.
A minority on the internet. And we all know that the vocal part of the internet is the absolute voice of all who played it.Kanner wrote...
What was good about it?
It fit the theme tof the game.
It really wrapped me up in the moment when the time came.
It wasn't a happy ending. That would have seem more like pandering than anything.
Overall it was satisfying enough to not make me mad, but it wasn't amazing enough for me to incredibly happy about it either.
You must get wraped up really easily because as soon as the elivator came I was bored and confused.
lx_theo wrote...
mebtru wrote...
He dont even have the game registered.
Fail troll 1/10 for making me write
My brother bought it and brought i back over his srping break for college. I played it over that. I've yet to buy it myself adn play through it again. I'm currently playing through ME1 and 2 again before I go adn buy it.
It fit the theme tof the game.
It really wrapped me up in the moment when the time came.
It wasn't a happy ending. That would have seem more like pandering than anything.
Overall it was satisfying enough to not make me mad, but it wasn't amazing enough for me to incredibly happy about it either.
mebtru wrote...
lx_theo wrote...
mebtru wrote...
He dont even have the game registered.
Fail troll 1/10 for making me write
My brother bought it and brought i back over his srping break for college. I played it over that. I've yet to buy it myself adn play through it again. I'm currently playing through ME1 and 2 again before I go adn buy it.
So much fail, you dont have ME2 registered.
Zany Jedi wrote...
In that case, could you please explain the plotholes? Also I would be hard pressed to call an ending with a deus ex machina good, lazy and poorly written is more like it in my opinion.
beutelmarkus wrote...
Zany Jedi wrote...
In that case, could you please explain the plotholes? Also I would be hard pressed to call an ending with a deus ex machina good, lazy and poorly written is more like it in my opinion.
Indoctrination Theory. Only lazy and poorly written when taken at face value.
beutelmarkus wrote...
Zany Jedi wrote...
In that case, could you please explain the plotholes? Also I would be hard pressed to call an ending with a deus ex machina good, lazy and poorly written is more like it in my opinion.
Indoctrination Theory. Only lazy and poorly written when taken at face value.
mebtru wrote...
lx_theo wrote...
mebtru wrote...
He dont even have the game registered.
Fail troll 1/10 for making me write
My brother bought it and brought i back over his srping break for college. I played it over that. I've yet to buy it myself adn play through it again. I'm currently playing through ME1 and 2 again before I go adn buy it.
So much fail, you dont have ME2 registered.
charmingcharlie wrote...
lx_theo wrote... *facepalm*
You don't think its to curb bad PR? If any group is vocal enough about something, they will give enough bad PR that it could hurt their reputation enough for later sales. Business. Simple.
I see your *facepalm* and raise you with a *double facepalm* no if it is a "minority" upset with the ending then it wouldn't be affecting them that greatly and they could easily ignore it. Especially when you consider nearly all the PR so far has been on Bioware's side with numerous sites attacking those that hate the endings.
Why would Bioware care about a "minority of 60,000" complainers if they apparently sold 3.5 million copies ? After all that is 3.4 million people that are happy with the end (according to some on here). So no a company wouldn't bother to waste resources on a measily 60,000 people they would instead spend those resources on the 3.4 million that are happy and try to milk more money out of them rather than appease a "minority" with free content.
The reason they are doing it is because there has been a HUGE backlash against the awful endings.
JBONE27 wrote...
beutelmarkus wrote...
Zany Jedi wrote...
In that case, could you please explain the plotholes? Also I would be hard pressed to call an ending with a deus ex machina good, lazy and poorly written is more like it in my opinion.
Indoctrination Theory. Only lazy and poorly written when taken at face value.
Unfortunatly, acording to what Weekes recently said, there is a very low chance of it being IT. Which is a shame because adding post IT stuff to the game would be awesome. I mean turning on your crew and everyone if you chose wrong, that would be amazing.
lx_theo wrote...
That's why i said it failed in providing closure. The imagination has more to do with the plot holes people claim (and for that list that was posted... I'm slowly going through those and typing up replies atm)
JBONE27 wrote...
Point 1. It could have simply disrupted all reaper tech for a time, allowing the fleet to take out as many of them
to destroy as many as the EMS would allow in the given time. That would have fit in a lot better, and had more to do with what you spent most of your time doing, gathering allies.
Point 2. Most people didn't finish it at all, and never will because of all the negativity.
Point 3.
A) How do you figure? Did it fit in with the theme of diversity? Nope. Did it fit in with the theme of teamwork? Not really. Did it fit in with the theme of exploration? Nein. Did it fit in with the theme of freewill overcoming fate? Actually it did just the opposite. Did it fit in with the theme of family? Not at all. Did it fit in with the theme of facing your past? Wasn't even touched upon. So, what theme are you thinking of?
C) I will agree, it wasn't a happy ending. It was a nonsensical, plot-hole ridden, insanely idiotic ending.
I prefer story based games, so I found it fun. Then again, what are opinions if people don't have them?
Dragoonlordz wrote...
lx_theo wrote...
That's why i said it failed in providing closure. The imagination has more to do with the plot holes people claim (and for that list that was posted... I'm slowly going through those and typing up replies atm)
Don't waste your time many on here have done as you plan to do but they reject any answer your supply, dismiss it out of hand without regard for content because they are not willing to accept anything outside of being shown instead of told by others, additional possiblities. It is a trap, ask a loaded question with no possibility they (most but not all) will accept your reasoning.
Modifié par Zany Jedi, 09 avril 2012 - 04:42 .
beutelmarkus wrote...
JBONE27 wrote...
beutelmarkus wrote...
Zany Jedi wrote...
In that case, could you please explain the plotholes? Also I would be hard pressed to call an ending with a deus ex machina good, lazy and poorly written is more like it in my opinion.
Indoctrination Theory. Only lazy and poorly written when taken at face value.
Unfortunatly, acording to what Weekes recently said, there is a very low chance of it being IT. Which is a shame because adding post IT stuff to the game would be awesome. I mean turning on your crew and everyone if you chose wrong, that would be amazing.
I don't think they'd choose to give away that the IT is what they're going for. Doing that basically ends all speculation and kills all of the back and forth regarding interpretations to the current ending(s). As long as we don't know if it's true or not, our interest will remain piqued leading up to the free DLC (which will probably encourage the purchase of yet more DLC).
It wouldn't be good business to come right out and confirm or deny the IT.
Zany Jedi wrote...
Dragoonlordz wrote...
lx_theo wrote...
That's why i said it failed in providing closure. The imagination has more to do with the plot holes people claim (and for that list that was posted... I'm slowly going through those and typing up replies atm)
Don't waste your time many on here have done as you plan to do but they reject any answer your supply, dismiss it out of hand without regard for content because they are not willing to accept anything outside of being shown instead of told by others, additional possiblities. It is a trap, ask a loaded question with no possibility they (most but not all) will accept your reasoning.
eerrrrr...I haven't rejected any answer the OP supplied, I'm legitmately interested in the OP's reasoning.
Guest_BrotherWarth_*
Dragoonlordz wrote...
And thats supposed to change his enjoyment of it how? For not being a sheep he should enjoy it less?
Majority or minority is irrelevant here.
Modifié par hex23, 09 avril 2012 - 04:54 .
Point 1: That's your oppinion, but I think most people would prefer seeing what we've worked hard to aquire acutally fight instead of just being numbers.lx_theo wrote...
JBONE27 wrote...
Point 1. It could have simply disrupted all reaper tech for a time, allowing the fleet to take out as many of them
to destroy as many as the EMS would allow in the given time. That would have fit in a lot better, and had more to do with what you spent most of your time doing, gathering allies.
Point 2. Most people didn't finish it at all, and never will because of all the negativity.
Point 3.
A) How do you figure? Did it fit in with the theme of diversity? Nope. Did it fit in with the theme of teamwork? Not really. Did it fit in with the theme of exploration? Nein. Did it fit in with the theme of freewill overcoming fate? Actually it did just the opposite. Did it fit in with the theme of family? Not at all. Did it fit in with the theme of facing your past? Wasn't even touched upon. So, what theme are you thinking of?
C) I will agree, it wasn't a happy ending. It was a nonsensical, plot-hole ridden, insanely idiotic ending.
Point 1:
Sounds very underwhelming. Probably not what they were going for. Then again. People would have been complaining there about only having on real ending.
Point 2
Based on what? I severely doubt you have any proof of that.
Point 3
A) It felt foreshadowed. When it came time for it to come, i wasn't surprised by it because it felt like the game was building up to choices like that. The entire game felt like it was hinting at those sort of choices. That's how it fits the theme.
C) Prove it
So you prefer things to go from intesnely emotional to WTF? in less than a minute.
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