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Why EA and BioWare Want Mass Effect 4 With Shepard. (Updated With More Reasons) Post-EC DLC


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Many people in these forums already have a pretty good idea of why the ending isn't being changed and why this whole enitre situation and the way it was handled just seems odd. I predict along with many others that reason of all this chaos is for the setup of a sequel trilogy to Mass Effect 3 just like Halo. Here are a list of 10 reasons why Mass Effect 4 may be upon us:

Reason #1- Why End Shepard's Story?
Why would BioWare and EA want Mass Effect to just end, more specifcally Shepard's story, when it is the story and characters that make them the most money from this series? EA and BioWare know how much we love these characters and know we would be willing to spend more money just to play along with them once again. As long as EA and BioWare can find a way to have the Mass Effect series continue still being intact with everything players love, they will continue for as long as they can and make as much money as possible off the Mass Effect name and the main protagonist, Commander Shepard.

Reason #2- Why Won't BioWare Change Their Colorful Endings?

Why won't BioWare change the endings? It's simple. It's because they may already have a plan laid out for a Mass Effect 4 to be released for when the next wave of consoles are made. These extended endings are probably what they had in mind after their original ending was leaked. They were forced to create a new ending in time for a March release and simply did not have enough time to get everything right. A group of two or three guys most likely went behind closed doors to writw the horrid 10 minute ending we got and it was filled with plot holes and no closure at all. The extended cut DLC luckily made these endings much better than before and still in all three endings make it possible for the story continue because Shepard is alive in the Destroy Ending and with creativity can easily be brought back in human form or some other form to save the galaxy from a new threat once again in the Control and even Synthesis Endings. The Refusal Ending, you pretty much lose, so that's not possible.

Reason #3- Damage Control
Why are BioWare and EA giving us an Extended Cut DLC and a MP DLC for free? It's quite obvious people, they are in damage control mode. If they don't start pandering to us then EA knows people won't want to buy anymore BioWare products crushing their master plan for a Mass Effect 4. This Extended Cut DLC willbe nothing more than a few Cinematic scenes and a few Dialogue scenes to show us our crew and war assets actually doing something. Will it work though? Of course it will, because if it doesn't well then those plans to release a Mass Effect 4 will be crushed. These free DLC packs are nothing more than a chance to win back the majority of fans, so the future game release of Mass Effect 4 and other poducts are all successes.

Reason #4- Artistic Vsion is a Cop-out
Artistic Integrity? I think Seinfeld said it best when it comes to BioWare's Artistic Integrity: www.youtube.com/watch. The Artistic Integrity response is nothing more than a cover-up to hide the fact that a Mass Effect 4 is in the works. How could they think that this response would actually be enough to calm the Retake people down that their endings are not going to be changed? It was nothing more than a quick, coverup response for the directors of the game to take a hit for the main culprit behind the poor endings, you guessed it EA.

Reason #5- The Red Ending's Cliffhanger
This is the most telling evidence of all of why Mass Effect 4 is on the way: Why include a scene in the end that shows your main protagonist breathing for a brief second and then include a scene with an old man that seems to tell you to your face that "The Shepard"s" story is not just over yet? Easy, it is because they are not comitted to Shepard dying yet because he is EA's money maker, as said before. Once you end the Shepard story, there is no going back on that. An end is an end. He is either dead or he is not. The fact that they included this scene in there is not because of the Indoctrination Theory, but because EA will not stop here with Shepard when they could milk this out and make more money off of everyone's favorite Alliance Spectre.

Reason #6- Halo 4 Has Been Announced for A Fall 2012 Release
Halo 4 has been confirmed for release in Fall 2012. If this isn't enough evidence for why Mass Effect 4 is upon us, then I don't know what is. Halo 3, a game we all thought would be the ending for Master Chief's story, and then out of the blue we get Halo 4. If Halo can continue with Master Chief, then you can bet any amount of money that Mass Effect will continue with Shepard.

Reason #7- The Cliffhanger is Still Part of Red Ending in EC DLC

Why still have this scene exist in the red ending if they added nothing afterwards? Notice how they had a nice epilogue showing the fate of basically every Mass Effect character and race, alive or dead, in the Control and Synthesis endings, but they had the same epilogue, altered of course for the Destroy ending, before the same cliffhanger is shown with Shepard taking a breath. The answer is right in front of you: they are not commited to Shepard dying just yet and this proves that. They could have easily removed this cliffhanger and ended it with the Memorial scene. Sure, it would have greatly pissed off a lot of people including myself, but if the scene is foreshadowing nothing at all, then what's the point of it still being there if it's not to offer them a window to make more ME games in the future?

Reason #8- The Stargazer Scene Remains
This is the same thing with reason number 7. Why still have this in there if it's not going to foreshadow anything important to come in the future? "Ok, one more story". Sounds like BioWare just created themselves a window to tell one more story if they wanted to about "The Shepard".

Reason #9- BioWare Knows the Fans Love the Mass Effect Characters

Listen, you can say what you want about this company, I had my fair share of hate comments directed at them, but they know the fans love this franchise and are very passionate about the story and characters that it provides them with. It would be stupid to end it here, when the fans are still left wanting more. It's hard to say goodbye to a game you spent your teen years, child years, hell even adult years playing. These Mass Effect characters are what make this game a success and if they continue without them, there will never be duplicates of these characters like Garrus, Ashley, Liara, Tali, and most importantly Shepard. Mass Effect is not Mass Effect without Commander Shepard being whose eyes the player sees this universe through.

Reason #10- There is Always a Way To Continue a Story

Any story can be continued. I learned this from my teacher in my Junior year of High School. No matter what has happened in your playthrough, there is always a way to continue it. Shepard's story can easily continue with the right ideas and right plot. Look at games like Halo. The main villian was defeated, the Covennant, and still they found a way to incorparate a new, bigger threat into Master Chief's story. I doubt the Reapers are the only threat that exist in the galaxy. They can easily come up with something better than the Reapers for a Mass Effect 4. In this Extended Cut, the galaxy is in peace and harmony. Don't you think it's possible that a bigger threat can catch wind of this and disrupt this peace? There are many ways they can creatively bring back Shepard as a human from the Control and even Synthesis endings. Destroy is already taken care of. But, some of you just think, "Well Hudson said only a trilogy, so it must be true". You really think that? Speculation people. This time it's serious, not a joke. It's all part of stringing the fans along. Just when you think there will be no ME4, they'll start hinting at it until we get a teaser trailer at a future E3. And if I am wrong, then I guess all this typing was for nothing.

Modifié par FBI-Azzurri, 28 juin 2012 - 04:52 .


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Well if EA wants to transfer the title from Bioware they can by all means do that. But I doubt at this point the people of ME really want to continue the series. I find the entire notion dubious at best however. Without the Reapers, which are a major focal point for the entire galactic civilization, what the next baddie going to be? The guy that finds a way to bring the Reapers back?

Also if your going to speculate be a little less conspiracy theorist.

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All good points and I have been thinking along the same lines myself and to be quite honest i'd be quite happy to see another ME game with Sheperd and crew as long as they don't over milk it.

Why they just haven't come out and said this i'm not really sure as it would probably allay some peoples concerns over the endings.

Give them a 3-4 year production cycle and let them have at it I say, quality not quantity.

And try to get the ending right first time this time eh?

After all we all love ME, why else would we be here?

Modifié par Hexley UK, 09 avril 2012 - 09:40 .


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Even if there will be, I certainly will not care. For the most part, the reason is actually in your post.

but did EA ever say the same thing?



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Well I sure as hell aint buying that ****. Especially given how they handled ME3's ending and the ensuing uproar.

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zenoxis wrote...

Well I sure as hell aint buying that ****. Especially given how they handled ME3's ending and the ensuing uproar.


Well let's see what the Extended ending is like first eh?

It might actually be good.:D

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I want what you're smoking. :P

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To be fair it was obvious that Halo 4 was going to happen after Halo 3... They kind of left it open so it could continue... and even if they didn't make Halo 4, Halo 3 was left in a place where there was actually closure and "leaving it up for interpretation" was acceptable by fans.

It is true though. even though BW said ME was planned to be a trilogy, so was Halo. Things change, we'll just have to see.

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iVitriol wrote...

I want what you're smoking. :P


Golden Virginia tobacco.:P

Seriously though, they have their best writers on it and they know they can't screw it up a 2nd time.

I have faith.:D

Modifié par Hexley UK, 09 avril 2012 - 04:15 .


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Casey Hudson said that no other installments of the ME series will take place after ME3, rather during or prior the events of the series.

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KaeserZen wrote...

Casey Hudson said that no other installments of the ME series will take place after ME3, rather during or prior the events of the series.


Casey Hudson said alot of things....

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The difference between the Halo 3 ending is that I felt satisfied, like I had achieved something. The ME3 ending just leaves me feeling empty. While I'm hyped for Halo 4, not so much for a possible ME4...

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And one thing that really puzzled me is this....canon.

It is obvious that Mass Effect 4 cannot set place in Mass Effect Universe, otherwise Bioware would have a very difficult time explaining to people why their synthetic + organics meld suddenly become only organics (I presume the protagonist of Mass Effect 4 would be organics).

And this brings me to another question: if they know they're going to make Mass Effect 4 all along, and they know they might reuse the universe they carefully crafted, why did they give us such difference in outcomes depending on your choice? Wouldn't it be better just to have one ending, and multiple cutscenes in which it detailed how you defeated the Reapers?

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I doubt future Mass Effect games will even be as good as Army of Two. Now that's an insult.

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I'm not buying ME4 unless they change ME3's endings. Not elaborate, not clarify. CHANGE.

I honestly can't even stand to look at the ME3 box, that's how bad it is.

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Hexley UK wrote...

iVitriol wrote...

I want what you're smoking. :P


Golden Virginia tobacco.:P

Seriously though, they have their best writers on it and they know they can't screw it up a 2nd time.

I have faith.:D

You mean the Extended Cut? :huh:

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As things stand, I'd read about it on a wiki or something. Assuming I cared for the lore anymore. Vent (b)rat ruined it. I don't see a return to the franchise at all. Not for me at least. Not after this debauchery.

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viperabyss wrote...

And one thing that really puzzled me is this....canon.

It is obvious that Mass Effect 4 cannot set place in Mass Effect Universe, otherwise Bioware would have a very difficult time explaining to people why their synthetic + organics meld suddenly become only organics (I presume the protagonist of Mass Effect 4 would be organics).

And this brings me to another question: if they know they're going to make Mass Effect 4 all along, and they know they might reuse the universe they carefully crafted, why did they give us such difference in outcomes depending on your choice? Wouldn't it be better just to have one ending, and multiple cutscenes in which it detailed how you defeated the Reapers?


Its not really that complicated, your choice at the end of ME3 can only really be 1 of 3 things...so 3 different variables.

ME3 had 15,000 variables to consider from ME2.

I really don't think it would be that difficult.(well anymore difficult than it was from 1-2-3).

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iVitriol wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

iVitriol wrote...

I want what you're smoking. :P


Golden Virginia tobacco.:P

Seriously though, they have their best writers on it and they know they can't screw it up a 2nd time.

I have faith.:D

You mean the Extended Cut? :huh:


Yea, why what did you mean?

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Hexley UK wrote...

iVitriol wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

iVitriol wrote...

I want what you're smoking. :P


Golden Virginia tobacco.:P

Seriously though, they have their best writers on it and they know they can't screw it up a 2nd time.

I have faith.:D

You mean the Extended Cut? :huh:


Yea, why what did you mean?

That's what I meant.

I thought you meant ME4.

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Synthesis, though undoubtedly one of the most contrived, non-sensical endings I've ever encountered, is presumably a pretty big deal.

That makes me doubt this theory, I think these "artistes'" lies were told in the omnipresent name of cold hard cash.

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Orange Tee wrote...

To be fair it was obvious that Halo 4 was going to happen after Halo 3... They kind of left it open so it could continue... and even if they didn't make Halo 4, Halo 3 was left in a place where there was actually closure and "leaving it up for interpretation" was acceptable by fans.

It is true though. even though BW said ME was planned to be a trilogy, so was Halo. Things change, we'll just have to see.


Frankly if they had ended ME3 like Bungie ended Halo 3 I would have been pretty darn satisfied. That ending had just the right amout of resolution while still leaving the chance to expand.

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Hexley UK wrote...

zenoxis wrote...

Well I sure as hell aint buying that ****. Especially given how they handled ME3's ending and the ensuing uproar.


Well let's see what the Extended ending is like first eh?

It might actually be good.:D


I prefer to stay pessimistic these days (especially after finishing ME3). At least then I won't be disappointed as much when people fail to deliver.

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Hexley UK wrote...

All good points and I have been thinking along the same lines myself and to be quite honest i'd be quite happy to see another ME game with Sheperd and crew as long as they don't over milk it.

Why they just haven't come out and said this i'm not really sure as it would probably allay some peoples concerns over the endings.

Give them a 2-4 year production cycle and let them have at it I say, quality not quantity.

And try to get the ending right first time this time eh?

After all we all love ME, why else would we be here?


Thanks for reading! I think they make the announcement of ME4 at E3 next year just like what happened to Halo 4. Most likely we will get a late 2014 release. We will see what happens in the next couple of months...

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As far as I can recall, everything specific to "what comes after" is that Shepard's story is, in fact, over--from a player-controlled point of view. ie, we won't "be" Shepard for anything else.

The massive differences in how the galaxy plays out depending on which flavor of Kool-Aid you drank at the end would make a game taking place post-ME3 somewhat--difficult. Well, unless they spent a little bit of extra time/money to re-skin asari/human/krogan/etc. with robo-eyes and stuff. Then, depending on which ending you picked, you either see races as "normal" or robotized, and no other major differences than that--because as everyone knows, just because you look the same doesn't mean you won't kill each other.

I guess they could make the Citadel be a possible option if you picked Control, but not something you can actually get to and explore--all arms closed, no one allowed to dock, just floating above Earth endlessly, etc. I dunno, lame things I just now thought of that they could do (with a bit of work and effort, but not an immense amount of extra) to differentiate between the endings.

I guess it'd be easier than I originally thought, as long as the story takes place far enough in the future (a generation or three...or more).