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[thesnake777]

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[HiddenKING]

Obviously.

Shepard's story is over, but the Mass Effect Universe still has other stories to tell. They don't want to change the endin, because they already have a story or at the very least an idea of what they want to do next.

[Hexley UK]

FBI-Azzurri wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

All good points and I have been thinking along the same lines myself and to be quite honest i'd be quite happy to see another ME game with Sheperd and crew as long as they don't over milk it.

Why they just haven't come out and said this i'm not really sure as it would probably allay some peoples concerns over the endings.

Give them a 2-4 year production cycle and let them have at it I say, quality not quantity.

And try to get the ending right first time this time eh?

After all we all love ME, why else would we be here?

Thanks for reading! I think they make the announcement of ME4 at E3 next year just like what happened to Halo 4. Most likely we will get a late 2014 release. We will see what happens in the next couple of months...

I hope so, assuming they clear up and rectify the endings to ME3 somewhat of course.

[Talthanar]

viperabyss wrote...

And one thing that really puzzled me is this....canon.

It is obvious that Mass Effect 4 cannot set place in Mass Effect Universe, otherwise Bioware would have a very difficult time explaining to people why their synthetic + organics meld suddenly become only organics (I presume the protagonist of Mass Effect 4 would be organics).

And this brings me to another question: if they know they're going to make Mass Effect 4 all along, and they know they might reuse the universe they carefully crafted, why did they give us such difference in outcomes depending on your choice? Wouldn't it be better just to have one ending, and multiple cutscenes in which it detailed how you defeated the Reapers?

Isn't that more or less what happened? No matter the ending the relays get destroyed and Shep is effectivly out of the picture.

Reuse will be fairly easy actually, the Prothean outpost on Earth could have plans for building relays and whatever's left over from 'taking' Earth back can be used to start rebuilding. Yes I'm copyrighting that so Bioware/EA can't steal it.

I'm with everyone else the endings need to be fixed in some way. If this extended crap does it's job that's fine. My guess is it won't since the end will likely still remain the same: Relays get destroyed.

Endings should be: Synthesis is the 'good' end and Shep can recreate himself as the new hybrid.
Control is middle: Shep is undetermined survival, Reapers are under direct control.
Destroy is bad: Since now all the Reapers are destroyed.

Explanation as to why: We go back to dark energy which was mentioned in the first and second games, Reapers have a way (harvesting) to deal with it. However there has to be something better. Synthesis does, Control buys time (read ME4 here), Destroy in effect dooms the galaxy to whatever random bad crap happens.

[PistolPete7556]

The moment I beat ME3, I thought that ME4 was a given.

[viperabyss]

Hexley UK wrote...

Its not really that complicated, your choice at the end of ME3 can only really be 1 of 3 things...so 3 different variables.

ME3 had 15,000 variables to consider from ME2.

I really don't think it would be that difficult.(well anymore difficult than it was from 1-2-3).

True, but the ramification of the decision does have a very large impact in the long run. Whether or not you saved Wrex is not going to impact the universe 1 millenium later, but fusing organics and synthetics will.

Unless of course, Mass Effect 4 is set somewhere in the 700~1000 years later zone, where most characters from ME3 have died.

[Hexley UK]

viperabyss wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Its not really that complicated, your choice at the end of ME3 can only really be 1 of 3 things...so 3 different variables.

ME3 had 15,000 variables to consider from ME2.

I really don't think it would be that difficult.(well anymore difficult than it was from 1-2-3).

True, but the ramification of the decision does have a very large impact in the long run. Whether or not you saved Wrex is not going to impact the universe 1 millenium later, but fusing organics and synthetics will.

Unless of course, Mass Effect 4 is set somewhere in the 700~1000 years later zone, where most characters from ME3 have died.

Exactly, they could also probably still have cameos from come characters from the original trilogy.

Wrex, Grunt and Liara could both live that long I suspect.

[J-Sheridan]

Pfft... ME4 after ME3 will use a lame cop-out just like Deus Ex 2 used the same lame cop-out to get out of the first one.

Deus Ex 1 had a monumental choice and the second one brushed it aside by ignoring it for the most part.
KOTOR to KOTOR 2 / TOR - Same thing

The bit with Buzz Aldrin specifically signposts any future content dosent have to give a damn about the past.
Old Man: Some of the details have been lost through time
Translation: We can change any details we like and you cant do jack, now shut up and buy our DLC

THAT is what Bioware has become and by result, Mass Effect will degenerate into.
Mass Effect is going to end up going the way of most big hit wonders that just fizzle out with cheap sequel / prequel games that exist just to milk the stupid fanatics that little bit more.

[Hexley UK]

J-Sheridan wrote...

Pfft... ME4 after ME3 will use a lame cop-out just like Deus Ex 2 used the same lame cop-out to get out of the first one.

Deus Ex 1 had a monumental choice and the second one brushed it aside by ignoring it for the most part.
KOTOR to KOTOR 2 / TOR - Same thing

The bit with Buzz Aldrin specifically signposts any future content dosent have to give a damn about the past.
Old Man: Some of the details have been lost through time
Translation: We can change any details we like and you cant do jack, now shut up and buy our DLC

THAT is what Bioware has become and by result, Mass Effect will degenerate into.
Mass Effect is going to end up going the way of most big hit wonders that just fizzle out with cheap sequel / prequel games that exist just to milk the stupid fanatics that little bit more.

I would hope they don't milk it and have learned from this debacle that the games require a longer production cycle.

It's a good point though, the whole stargazer thing could be a way to effectively alter what they will between timelines.

[FBI-Azzurri]

PistolPete7556 wrote...

The moment I beat ME3, I thought that ME4 was a given.

I agree.

[clos]

At this point EA/Biofail have screwed up. No one is going to prepurchase again after the mega fail they have delivered. Also, what if they try to make anothe trilogy? No way I'm getting hooked on again just to have Casey Hudson screw the pooch one more time.

I for one would wait a year to see prices dip below $10 dollars to buy their games again at best. At worst I won't buy them at all.

[Actinguy1]

Obvious problem is obvious. In my endgame, the Geth and Quarians are dead. In a buddies game, they're both alive, but everybody is half-robot. These are some significant changes for a company that couldn't be bothered to handle whether the Rachni were still around.

[Hexley UK]

clos wrote...

At this point EA/Biofail have screwed up. No one is going to prepurchase again after the mega fail they have delivered. Also, what if they try to make anothe trilogy? No way I'm getting hooked on again just to have Casey Hudson screw the pooch one more time.

I for one would wait a year to see prices dip below $10 dollars to buy their games again at best. At worst I won't buy them at all.

I'll wait for the ending DLC before i make a decision.

I'm hopeful though, they have their best guys on the case this time not just one guy in a room with his Deus Ex fanfic.

[TheScott1987]

I can see what you mean, it stinks of them trying to make an ending that shoehorns the galaxy into a certain starting point for a new game - except for the synthesis ending. Too many differences between the rest (they stay humanoid) and the synthesis end.

They will try to make more ME, I'm sure. But I highly doubt it will feature a Shepard that is for the most part disintegrated. It will most likely feature a new character who they treat more like their character than our avatar (to avoid this problem from happening again).

[Cinnamintz]

Mass Effect has been my favorite franchise since '07 when ME1 came out. That being said I will not be buying ME4, if that is indeed in the works, unless the ending is substantially changed to remove the inane plot holes and franchise inconsistencies. Game can still end bittersweet, or hell, even brutally bleak would be preferred to what we were given. If this ending is what Bioware feels is adequate from a quality standpoint; I'll just have to respectfully disagree.

And no, I don't think you can "clarify" your way out of the hole in which that games ends. No matter how you slice it, it's going to be adding explanation to something that is pretty ludicrous on principle already.

Does make it easier on me though, as the burden of proof is now on you guys to demonstrate why I should buy any future titles from you.

[Riion]

TheScott1987 wrote...

I can see what you mean, it stinks of them trying to make an ending that shoehorns the galaxy into a certain starting point for a new game - except for the synthesis ending. Too many differences between the rest (they stay humanoid) and the synthesis end.

They will try to make more ME, I'm sure. But I highly doubt it will feature a Shepard that is for the most part disintegrated. It will most likely feature a new character who they treat more like their character than our avatar (to avoid this problem from happening again).

The fact that any given Shepard was considered YOUR Shepard was a major draw of the game for me (I even felt bad for using a downloaded save file after mine were corrupted during pc to pc transfer...), and I'm not sure I would be interested in a linear ME game (e.g. Halo style). If I did... I would just play Halo.

[Hexley UK]

Riion wrote...

TheScott1987 wrote...

I can see what you mean, it stinks of them trying to make an ending that shoehorns the galaxy into a certain starting point for a new game - except for the synthesis ending. Too many differences between the rest (they stay humanoid) and the synthesis end.

They will try to make more ME, I'm sure. But I highly doubt it will feature a Shepard that is for the most part disintegrated. It will most likely feature a new character who they treat more like their character than our avatar (to avoid this problem from happening again).

The fact that any given Shepard was considered YOUR Shepard was a major draw of the game for me (I even felt bad for using a downloaded save file after mine were corrupted during pc to pc transfer...), and I'm not sure I would be interested in a linear ME game (e.g. Halo style). If I did... I would just play Halo.

I agree the decisions are what make Mass Effect, Mass Effect.

I'd have a hard time if the sequel didn't have Sheperd and crew as well tbh.

[mastersweet]

it was said a while back that there probably will be more ME games just not with shepard as the stroy line

[Big_Choppa]

They already said they won't be making another ME past the events in ME3. Let's just see how the extended cut is first, shall we?

[Bionic Weapon]

Orange Tee wrote...

To be fair it was obvious that Halo 4 was going to happen after Halo 3... They kind of left it open so it could continue... and even if they didn't make Halo 4, Halo 3 was left in a place where there was actually closure and "leaving it up for interpretation" was acceptable by fans.

It is true though. even though BW said ME was planned to be a trilogy, so was Halo. Things change, we'll just have to see.

I agree Halo 3  had both closure and an open ending if they wanted to continue, but if they didn't it still ended. IMO Halo 3 had a bitersweet ending. Close friends and comrades dead but the war was finished. Master Chief did his duty and could rest knowing humaitys war with the Covenant was over. People said the end came full cirlcle with Chief going back into stasis like he did in Halo 1 so it was very fitting.

In Mass Effect however you can end Shepards story with his/her death or living and rebuilding earth, or even him and crew flying to another galaxy to help other races rebuild. Its open in a way but also and ending. That we players can talk about.

IMO this should be Shepards conclusion. he/she did their duty now let the rest. No matter what kind of rest it is.
I personally don't want a Mass Effect 4, unless it's like the books and takes the POV of someone else, and even then I'd proably be cautious about it.

Some franchises deserve their big send off before the devs move on to other things. By being stuck dishing out more ME games we won't get to see what those things are.

EA needs to put more faith in Bioware and let them make another amazing title instead of repeating the same game over and over. I want to see what else we could get from Bioware and doing this thrawts that.

[Hexley UK]

Bionic Weapon wrote...

Orange Tee wrote...

To be fair it was obvious that Halo 4 was going to happen after Halo 3... They kind of left it open so it could continue... and even if they didn't make Halo 4, Halo 3 was left in a place where there was actually closure and "leaving it up for interpretation" was acceptable by fans.

It is true though. even though BW said ME was planned to be a trilogy, so was Halo. Things change, we'll just have to see.

I agree Halo 3  had both closure and an open ending if they wanted to continue, but if they didn't it still ended. IMO Halo 3 had a bitersweet ending. Close friends and comrades dead but the war was finished. Master Chief did his duty and could rest knowing humaitys war with the Covenant was over. People said the end came full cirlcle with Chief going back into stasis like he did in Halo 1 so it was very fitting.

In Mass Effect however you can end Shepards story with his/her death or living and rebuilding earth, or even him and crew flying to another galaxy to help other races rebuild. Its open in a way but also and ending. That we players can talk about.

IMO this should be Shepards conclusion. he/she did their duty now let the rest. No matter what kind of rest it is.
I personally don't want a Mass Effect 4, unless it's like the books and takes the POV of someone else, and even then I'd proably be cautious about it.

Some franchises deserve their big send off before the devs move on to other things. By being stuck dishing out more ME games we won't get to see what those things are.

EA needs to put more faith in Bioware and let them make another amazing title instead of repeating the same game over and over. I want to see what else we could get from Bioware and doing this thrawts that.

Yea trouble with that though is if they drop the ME ip and do something else where do we get our epic sci-fi rpg fix from?

[FBI-Azzurri]

Big_Choppa wrote...

They already said they won't be making another ME past the events in ME3. Let's just see how the extended cut is first, shall we?

Of course we shall. I think it will be satisfying because this time they have the whole team working on it and have all of our feedback and I doubt EA is bugging them this time because of a release date. Just don't be suprised if you get the same "Shepard lives scene" after picking Red and the StarGazer telling you Shepard's story is not over....

Modifié par FBI-Azzurri, 09 avril 2012 - 05:01 .

[TJX2045]

Ah, yes. "Mass Effect 4." A game set after Shepard's story. So far, EA has dismissed that claim.

But who knows.  I was expecting the little kid in the final cutscene to possibly be the next protagonist since he asks when he will be able to space travel...I thought THAT was foreshadowing...

But who knows.  I really would like a new protagonist set after Shepard where your Shepard is a legend (and maybe even has a statue with your imported Shep's look), but alas, this is all wishful thinking.  And even bigger wishful thinking that the ending won't be painful.

Modifié par TJX2045, 09 avril 2012 - 05:33 .

[Geomon19]

Awesome. I can't wait to go through this again 3 more times...