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[Hexley UK]

Baihu1983 wrote...

KaeserZen wrote...

Casey Hudson said that no other installments of the ME series will take place after ME3, rather during or prior the events of the series.

Someone think of the plot holes! The whole trilogy will be made pointless with any more games.

This and the fact that prequels almost always suck will be the reason the next game will be a sequel.

[Unit-Alpha]

I agree, I think we are going to see an ME4 with Shepard.

[wantedman dan]

The difference between the first Halo trilogy was that the story arc was completely satisfied, with a tease at the end. Mass Effect's story arc was left mangled and broken at the end of its trilogy.

[christrek1982]

shep is dead isn't he/she? unless destroy with high is cannon

[MassiveEffects]

I doubt it, myself. Sure, I don't doubt that EA will do to Mass Effect what EA tends to do with successful franchises that they own, but I doubt that we will get an ME4 with Shepard as our main character. Still, if anyone wants to reserve the right to tell me "told you so" if a fourth game with Shep as the main character is announced, go right ahead.

[FBI-Azzurri]

MassiveEffects wrote...

I doubt it, myself. Sure, I don't doubt that EA will do to Mass Effect what EA tends to do with successful franchises that they own, but I doubt that we will get an ME4 with Shepard as our main character. Still, if anyone wants to reserve the right to tell me "told you so" if a fourth game with Shep as the main character is announced, go right ahead.

Just stating the obvious here. And if I am wrong about Shepard in ME4, then you all have the right to tell me "told you so".

[Terrorize69]

ME4 wouldnt be the first game whos "main" toon is kept secret or lied about only to be revealed as a previous main char, further along the line.

That being said... Bring on Tali as the main char in ME4! 

[FBI-Azzurri]

Terrorize69 wrote...

ME4 wouldnt be the first game whos "main" toon is kept secret or lied about only to be revealed as a previous main char, further along the line.

That being said... Bring on Tali as the main char in ME4! 

No bring on Mordin as the main character in ME4! He faked his death, escaped from the tower to finish his biography with an epic-heroic death, and is actually retired on the planet that the crew and Normandy landed on. He got his seashell and is found on the beach! lol saw it on an hilarious comic strip about Mordin!

[marstinson]

FBI-Azzurri wrote...

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The point is Shepard's story is as good as it is going to get. I know for a fact there is nothing out there that will appeal more to fans than playing as Shepard one more time. Think about the Shepard breathing scene. Why include this at all? It is because they don't want t kill off Shepard just yet. BioWare said this is the end, but do they really mean it? They certainly lied to us a number of times in the past year or so. EA also never said this is the end of Shepard and I am sure they would love to make more money off the Shepard name. Would I like more Mass Effect with Shepard and friends who I have come to know and love? Yes. Do I agree with EA's tatics if I am indeed right? Not at all. This could have been handled in a much better way. I guess we will have to wait and see then. No need to be armed. We can continue arguing for hours and just keep repeating ourseleves or wait for this DLC and see if I am right about Shepard's story not being over.

I agree. We're not going to get a solid answer until the EC is released. I guess Casey gets his speculation for everyone wish. 

BioWare has been in the business of telling wonderful stories for more years than I care to count and Shepard's was top-notch (duly noting the folks who think ME2 was just fancy filler). I can see why the devs would want to put paid to that story so that they can move on to something else, but I'm having a hard time reconciling that with the idea that M.E.=Shepard and Shepard=M.E. If BioWare goes with that notion, how many more times can we be exepected to be put through the same "nobody believes me, so I'll just have to assemble a team and save the galaxy" plot line? 

While following up on some questions going back to Baldur's Gate, I stumbled over an older article with Ray Muzyka, sometime after the release of ME2, in which he seems positive about more games in the ME universe, but without Shepard (doesn't say so, but his discussion of role-playing constraints leads to that conclusion).

http://xbox360.ign.c.../1066954p1.html 

[Leozilla]

FBI-Azzurri wrote...

Leozilla wrote...

at OP, the Halo comparison does not work because
1. Bungie nor Microsoft said that 3 would be the end of Master Chief's story
2. Halo 4 did not come out of the blue I imagine most people were like me and were waiting for the anouncement
3. Bioware said that this was going to be the final game for Shep's story, now while I believe that EA would not be too fond of that idea, I doubt Bioware would be forced to not finish a story

For your number 3 reason, EA has a reputation of milking franchises to make more money. Why wouldn't they do the same with Shepard's story that makes them big bucks? And I use the Halo 4 comparison because you just can't have a majorly successful Halo game without Master Chief. Halo: ODST was terrible and Halo: Reach was not as epic as Halo 3 because it was a prequel and I really didn't care about the characters. Mass Effect without Shepard would be bad for business because you are taking away the face of the franchise that made you the most money and the characters like Garrus that got people invested in these games. I guarantee without Shepard and his squadmates, Mass Effect 4-6 will not be nearly as good as Shepard's story and EA knows this. You know for a fact this isn't the end of the Mass Effect series. I doubt prequels will be made, sequels seem likely at this point. Shepard's story is not over, regardless of what BioWare has said.

you could easily do a prequel with Shep during the Blitz, maybe a triolgy. but the way I see it unless the breath scene is the canon ending they an't continue Shep's story

[Leozilla]

marstinson wrote...

5. It's an awfully big galaxy and the lore is solid enough that good writers could come up with another good story or two (or dozen), even if they had to go with the prequel route. I think you do the team a grave disservice by claiming that they couldn't do it without Shepard. I'll grant that doing a Zelda game without Link might be a chore (or perhaps an impossiblity), but ME is doable without Shepard.

I agree I would love a story based on the Prothean/Reaper war, The First Contact War (you could play as anderson), or the Blitz. or any of the hundreds of wars that happened in between, or even after 3.

bottom line this franchise isn't going anywhere, however Shep's story could well be over, as it probably should be, I'd rather him die a hero (or live depending on the current possible ending), then become a Mario/Sonic

[Leozilla]

kaidanluv wrote...

Leozilla wrote...

at OP, the Halo comparison does not work because
1. Bungie nor Microsoft said that 3 would be the end of Master Chief's story
2. Halo 4 did not come out of the blue I imagine most people were like me and were waiting for the anouncement
3. Bioware said that this was going to be the final game for Shep's story, now while I believe that EA would not be too fond of that idea, I doubt Bioware would be forced to not finish a story

The tagline for Halo 3 was "Finish the Fight". Halo was meant to be a trilogy. Then Halo 4 came along anyway (although I will concede that Halo 3's ending made it seem like there would be more).

you did finish the fight for the time being, Covannet in dissary, Gravemind dead, and the Halo Array shut down. Still the aftermath of the war and the shakey peace that follows, of course the UNSC wasn't gonna let MC drift in space for entenity, he even told Cortana at the end "wake me when you need me."

I knew it wasn't over for him.

[its the beast]

Hexley UK wrote...

KaeserZen wrote...

Casey Hudson said that no other installments of the ME series will take place after ME3, rather during or prior the events of the series.

Casey Hudson said alot of things....

Yes, like "we don’t
want to have A,B,C style endings..." 

He's partially right it’s not ABC its RGB 

Modifié par its the beast, 17 avril 2012 - 12:26 .

[Leozilla]

Legionaire-Shen wrote...

I always believe control and synthesis ending mean that they cant continue the story with shepard.

If Shep died in 2 you couldn't continue the story arc, so that just means if they do contiune with him breath scene ending is canon

[Exeider]

Luc0s wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Baihu1983 wrote...

KaeserZen wrote...

Casey Hudson said that no other installments of the ME series will take place after ME3, rather during or prior the events of the series.

Someone think of the plot holes! The whole trilogy will be made pointless with any more games.

This and the fact that prequels almost always suck will be the reason the next game will be a sequel.

I consider Halo: Reach the best game in the Halo francize and that game was a prequel.

Deus Ex: Human Revolution is also a prequel and it still is an amazing game that everyone who played it loves.

Zelda Skyward Sword is also a prequel and look at how populair that game is.


So your argument is invalid.

not completely invalid.

In the case of those games, I'll start with Halo Reach.

Halo: Reach was good in that before you even play it, you KNEW was HAD to happen, no matter what you knew how the game was probably going to end. But the path to getting there was up in the air. What made reach good was because the game developers had heavily referenced it in the other games, it was a point of historical signifigance in the story.

Halo Reach is the circle closing on itself, thats what made it good, and what made it sad. You knew that everyone was most likely going to die, you knew they were doing it for a cause, even if THEY didn't, You KNEW that there was a greater need and reason at stake, a reason that ultimately proves to be worth while.

If Halo 3's ending sucked, reach probably wouldn't of been made, because people wold of bowed out of the series. The fact that Halo 3's ending was satufying and good, and gave you a victory moment. It made the idea of going back and closing the circle worthwhile, because you knew the future would be alright and attend to itself.

Deus Ex 3, this is an example of the direct opposite of what Halo Reach was, in this case we KNEW NOTHING of what came before the events of Deus Ex 1, and in doing so there was fertile ground for telling a story.

It should be stated that the community of Deus Ex considers Deus Ex 2 so bad, that they pretend it doesn't exist.

This is WHY Deus Ex 3 was a prequel, so people consider the storylines of Dx3 and Dx1 and just enjoy that part of the continuity. And they are in and of themselves very statisfying. And the reason WHY is because the LAST installment, remember people pretend Dx2 doesnt exist now, the LAST Installment, Dx1, the endings, at least one of them, had some sense of hope, which is what made telling a prequel story worth while.

I didnt play the Zelda game, so i cannot comment.


What I am trying to say is, that if you want to make a prequel game worthwhile, you have to make the end of the most recent installment a good ending. The reason why i say this is because, the player has to know that the future is fine, and that it will attend to itself, meaning the future doesnt need them to watch it, its fine. This allows the player to be comfortable leaving that story line, and jumping back in time to write some pre-history to the story they already know.

if ME 4 is a prequel, then the problem with it will be that since the last installment did NOT leave the player with a sense of well being, a sense of the future is ok, and that it will attend to itself, the player is reluctant to let go and wants to stay to make sure everything WILL be alright.

If any prequel ME game is to succed, we NEED to KNOW that the future from ME 3 will be alright, and the galaxy will resume its normal flow. Since we do not have that resolution, we cannot let go, and if we cannot let go, we cant move on, and go forward or back as the case may be....

-AE

[Leozilla]

@
Exeider  I didn't think of it that way but you make a great point

Modifié par Leozilla, 17 avril 2012 - 01:14 .

[googleitnow]

funny.. I cursed Bungie/343 for making Halo 4.. the series has been concluded in my mind, and I really don't care about it because it just looks like a money-move to me.


But if Bioware makes ME4.. my heart will explode w happiness.

<-hypocrite

[Leozilla]

googleitnow wrote...

funny.. I cursed Bungie/343 for making Halo 4.. the series has been concluded in my mind, and I really don't care about it because it just looks like a money-move to me.


But if Bioware makes ME4.. my heart will explode w happiness.

<-hypocrite

really at least they give the Halos some dev time unlike a CoD every six months, although I probably have more invested in the Halo series, I've read all the books and I want to know what happens before and after 3

[KingKhan03]

MONEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!

[TheDonk95]

You just put alot of hope in me. I also really want a next game with Shepard to be made. I don't care when it will come out, who will make it, or how much money will it cost. I will buy it in any condition.
I'm also trying to me positive, but I'm still realistic, and the odds say that there probably won't be a Mass Effect 4, but because of all the important facts you pointed out there, it actually made me look at it in a more positive way.

[Tarothe]

It was my first thought after finishing ME3, more precisely how did it happen that I missed the announcement of ME4. I looked on the internet, couldn't find it, and was like "what the **** was that?" Saw all 3 endings (didn't know at first that, as Its the beast pointed out, their only major difference is color-coding), and felt majorly disappointed. But then I logged on here, so few people who also picked on that and now I'm positive that Shepard's about to make a comeback somewhere in the near future.

[FBI-Azzurri]

Tarothe wrote...

It was my first thought after finishing ME3, more precisely how did it happen that I missed the announcement of ME4. I looked on the internet, couldn't find it, and was like "what the **** was that?" Saw all 3 endings (didn't know at first that, as Its the beast pointed out, their only major difference is color-coding), and felt majorly disappointed. But then I logged on here, so few people who also picked on that and now I'm positive that Shepard's about to make a comeback somewhere in the near future.

Exactly. I thought the same thing when the Shepard Secret Scene popped up in my first playthrough. There is no way they are ending it here and this must be why the ending was left so open and done so poorly. Now, after seeing how BioWare has been handling this situation, I am almost certain this is not the end of Commander Shepard.

[FBI-Azzurri]

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