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#51
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garf wrote...


It's not a threat. it a consequence. the game (thanks to a failed ending) was a betrayal. So Bioware no longer get's a free ride with no questions asked CE preorder purchases. Who are you to tell me what to do with my money?

you should be thankful they are complaining. Any other company and the fans would have just left and let the company tank. The complaints are because they care.


Exactly right.  Fans protesting are providing a service that keeps EA from pumping out nothing but mediocre games that bilk players with micro-transactions.  If we do not accept it, they will change it.

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sasusori wrote...

Isichar wrote...

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Even after we're told that we're getting an extended ending that isn't as abrupt/nonsensical? Even after the Patrick Weekes interview where he stated what could ahve been doen better with the ending? Even after the DLC was announced to be free? What'll it take to make the fans here happy? Will Bioware Edmonton have to go out of business after EA's stock drops and all empoyees be shifted over to dvelop casual mobile game spinoff of EA Sports frnchises in order to sate the fanrage?


welcome to bsn. people will complain about anything and everything. if it wasnt the ending it would be something else. nevermind the fact that we are getting two free dlcs and the fact that the rest of the game was great. they didnt like the ending so they are out to ruin the whole game and the whole series rep because of it.


Well the ending was pants (see the sig) and it deserves the redicule but i don't get why people are complaining about a thing they haven't even seen yet and have very few details about.

I hated the ending but i'm willing to give Bioware a shot at fixing it.


If you order steak and I give you spam, do you expect that I go back and get you your steak, or will you accept me promising to explain why spam tastes good?


The food analogy huh?

I counter with

Artistic integrity!


and promising someone 17 endings and not doing A B or C, then doing the opposite, where is the integrity in that


Its 16 endings and they are A-1, B-2 and C-3... THERES A DIFFERENCE

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Dasher1010 wrote...

Even after we're told that we're getting an extended ending that isn't as abrupt/nonsensical? Even after the Patrick Weekes interview where he stated what could ahve been doen better with the ending? Even after the DLC was announced to be free? What'll it take to make the fans here happy? Will Bioware Edmonton have to go out of business after EA's stock drops and all empoyees be shifted over to dvelop casual mobile game spinoff of EA Sports frnchises in order to sate the fanrage?


Truth be told I was never really happy with the game to begin with even if you discount the ending.  That's because they basically cut out Harbinger and made him a footnote.  I'm already unhappy, and then they keep me in the dark about there being gameplay in the Extended Cut DLC - that means maybe we will still have no Harbinger fight.  How would you feel if they cut out one of your favorite characters in the ME universe?

Modifié par liggy002, 09 avril 2012 - 05:28 .


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Dasher1010 wrote...

Even after we're told that we're getting an extended ending DLC with cutscenes that isn't as abrupt or nonsensical? Even after the Patrick Weekes interview where he stated what could have been better with the ending? Even after the DLC was announced to be free? What'll it take to make the fans happy? Will Bioware Edmonton have to go out of business after EA's stock drops and all empoyees be shifted over to develop casual mobile game spinoff of EA Sports franchises in order to sate the fan rage?


It isn't about being upset. It comes down to a game that had personal themes that became a game that made you conform to what was being asked of you to do. 
That one word I placed in bold is one of the issues for me. On one hand, there was and still is a huge group of people who have played the series not because they were hardcore gamers but gamers who appreciated something innovative. Players who loved the idea of shaping the personal growth of their characters.

A DLC that explains why the ending was the way it was? An ending that makes you do something without question after years of having that one power of doing? I have a great love and respect for the games that BW releases but I feel that someone (EA) maybe, wanted to be finish so they could review the units sold. Now that is high speculation on my part and I apologize. But a game of this magnitude did not deserve the direction they took. So it is not just about the fans complaining without cause.

Had they bit the bullet and released the first vision they had, IMO, I think it would have still been great. It isn't about a handful of people dissappointed, it's about many. Personally, I would rather spend my money with BW for the games they create but after being on board with them when this series was in its infancy and supporting the developers by purchasing DLC, I feel that there is now a distance between BW and the gamer.

Many casual gamers can rush through this game just to say they beat it but the core audience will catch smaller things that aren't so small like the change to Mordin's voice actor. Why didn't they just use the likeness of Liz Sroka since she conveys Tali's emotion greatly, as the face behind the helmet? And a host of other things. But DLCscenes will not be able to fix that. DLC extra scene content doesn't give choice back to the player. So this isn't complaining without cause. This is complaining because many of us care about the series.

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I haven't seen the extended ending yet, so I am -trying- not to complain as much. I do understand they are trying.

That being said, even with all the clarification in the world, without changing anything, you can only move this ending from "atrocious" to "mediocre". ME deserved a great ending, and the DLC being free doesn't change the fact that Spacebrat will still be popping up on my screen.

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Isichar wrote...

sasusori wrote...

Isichar wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

Dasher1010 wrote...

Even after we're told that we're getting an extended ending that isn't as abrupt/nonsensical? Even after the Patrick Weekes interview where he stated what could ahve been doen better with the ending? Even after the DLC was announced to be free? What'll it take to make the fans here happy? Will Bioware Edmonton have to go out of business after EA's stock drops and all empoyees be shifted over to dvelop casual mobile game spinoff of EA Sports frnchises in order to sate the fanrage?


welcome to bsn. people will complain about anything and everything. if it wasnt the ending it would be something else. nevermind the fact that we are getting two free dlcs and the fact that the rest of the game was great. they didnt like the ending so they are out to ruin the whole game and the whole series rep because of it.


Well the ending was pants (see the sig) and it deserves the redicule but i don't get why people are complaining about a thing they haven't even seen yet and have very few details about.

I hated the ending but i'm willing to give Bioware a shot at fixing it.


If you order steak and I give you spam, do you expect that I go back and get you your steak, or will you accept me promising to explain why spam tastes good?


The food analogy huh?

I counter with

Artistic integrity!


and promising someone 17 endings and not doing A B or C, then doing the opposite, where is the integrity in that


Its 16 endings and they are A-1, B-2 and C-3... THERES A DIFFERENCE


read the quote he said 16+ different endings not three similiar endings with one different cut screen also it was said that there wont just be an A B or C, and in reality the endings were soo similiar that we didnt even get that we actually got A0, A1, and A2.  and if you liked that then fine, just dont tell me thats what they said during press releases, at the very least we were mislead, if your happy with the end product then no harm no foul, but if you were mislead and arent happy with the end product that you paid for then you have every right to complain

Modifié par sasusori, 09 avril 2012 - 05:37 .


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Arken wrote...

The main complaint wasn't met. The ending is still the same. All their doing is extending on the current bad ending. Star Child still exists, and is still as out of place as he was before. Everything that made the ending bad is still there.



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ticklefist wrote...

At some point folks just gotta come to the realization that sometimes things you love turn out bad. Real bad. This is one of them times.



if I pay for something, anything, it better damn well not be bad, or I'm RETURNING IT!!! "angry-face"

point made,.............counter? anyone?

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Ending will never be as good as it can be, and for an end to a trilogy that thrives on it storytelling, its troubling. If people wish to complain, then so be it, Bioware basically asked for it.

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sasusori wrote...

Isichar wrote...

sasusori wrote...

Isichar wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

Dasher1010 wrote...

Even after we're told that we're getting an extended ending that isn't as abrupt/nonsensical? Even after the Patrick Weekes interview where he stated what could ahve been doen better with the ending? Even after the DLC was announced to be free? What'll it take to make the fans here happy? Will Bioware Edmonton have to go out of business after EA's stock drops and all empoyees be shifted over to dvelop casual mobile game spinoff of EA Sports frnchises in order to sate the fanrage?


welcome to bsn. people will complain about anything and everything. if it wasnt the ending it would be something else. nevermind the fact that we are getting two free dlcs and the fact that the rest of the game was great. they didnt like the ending so they are out to ruin the whole game and the whole series rep because of it.


Well the ending was pants (see the sig) and it deserves the redicule but i don't get why people are complaining about a thing they haven't even seen yet and have very few details about.

I hated the ending but i'm willing to give Bioware a shot at fixing it.


If you order steak and I give you spam, do you expect that I go back and get you your steak, or will you accept me promising to explain why spam tastes good?


The food analogy huh?

I counter with

Artistic integrity!


and promising someone 17 endings and not doing A B or C, then doing the opposite, where is the integrity in that


Its 16 endings and they are A-1, B-2 and C-3... THERES A DIFFERENCE


read the quote he said 16+ different endings not three similiar endings with one different cut screen also it was said that there wont just be an A B or C, and in reality the endings were soo similiar that we didnt even get that we actually got A0, A1, and A2.  and if you liked that then fine, just dont tell me thats what they said during press releases, at the very least we were mislead, if your happy with the end product then no harm no foul, but if you were mislead and arent happy with the end product that you paid for then you have every right to complain


Theres no such thing as rights, they were made up. Like the boogyman

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Isichar wrote...

sasusori wrote...


read the quote he said 16+ different endings not three similiar endings with one different cut screen also it was said that there wont just be an A B or C, and in reality the endings were soo similiar that we didnt even get that we actually got A0, A1, and A2.  and if you liked that then fine, just dont tell me thats what they said during press releases, at the very least we were mislead, if your happy with the end product then no harm no foul, but if you were mislead and arent happy with the end product that you paid for then you have every right to complain


Theres no such thing as rights, they were made up. Like the boogyman


now your just messing with me

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The Angry One wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

Dasher1010 wrote...

Even after we're told that we're getting an extended ending that isn't as abrupt/nonsensical? Even after the Patrick Weekes interview where he stated what could ahve been doen better with the ending? Even after the DLC was announced to be free? What'll it take to make the fans here happy? Will Bioware Edmonton have to go out of business after EA's stock drops and all empoyees be shifted over to dvelop casual mobile game spinoff of EA Sports frnchises in order to sate the fanrage?


welcome to bsn. people will complain about anything and everything. if it wasnt the ending it would be something else. nevermind the fact that we are getting two free dlcs and the fact that the rest of the game was great. they didnt like the ending so they are out to ruin the whole game and the whole series rep because of it.


Well the ending was pants (see the sig) and it deserves the redicule but i don't get why people are complaining about a thing they haven't even seen yet and have very few details about.

I hated the ending but i'm willing to give Bioware a shot at fixing it.


If you order steak and I give you spam, do you expect that I go back and get you your steak, or will you accept me promising to explain why spam tastes good?


Man, The Angry One is my hero.

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sasusori wrote...

Isichar wrote...

sasusori wrote...


read the quote he said 16+ different endings not three similiar endings with one different cut screen also it was said that there wont just be an A B or C, and in reality the endings were soo similiar that we didnt even get that we actually got A0, A1, and A2.  and if you liked that then fine, just dont tell me thats what they said during press releases, at the very least we were mislead, if your happy with the end product then no harm no foul, but if you were mislead and arent happy with the end product that you paid for then you have every right to complain


Theres no such thing as rights, they were made up. Like the boogyman


now your just messing with me


Now your catching on ;)

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How many topics do we need where people complain about complaining? This is a lot less constructive than the conversations you are against.

You assume that closure is the only issue with the ending. It is not. Please don't assume you know why everyone is upset when you clearly have no idea what the entire picture looks like. Trying to lump everyone into the same state of mind is both ignorant and lazy.

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Uhhh.. @op you obviously are not playing on ps3.

There is a thread over 600 posts and counting about fps/freezing issues. I'm gonna keep complaining because EA tech support keeps sending people here.

Oh and "extended" endings will not bring resolution. They aren't retconing vent (b)rat and apparently sticking to the RBG ending. I'm not just disappointed with how it ended, I'm disappointed at how under polished and poor performing it is on ps3.

So long as I'm still disappointed (saying it nicely) I'll be also "complaining."

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robertm2 wrote...

Dasher1010 wrote...

Even after we're told that we're getting an extended ending that isn't as abrupt/nonsensical? Even after the Patrick Weekes interview where he stated what could ahve been doen better with the ending? Even after the DLC was announced to be free? What'll it take to make the fans here happy? Will Bioware Edmonton have to go out of business after EA's stock drops and all empoyees be shifted over to dvelop casual mobile game spinoff of EA Sports frnchises in order to sate the fanrage?


welcome to bsn. people will complain about anything and everything. if it wasnt the ending it would be something else. nevermind the fact that we are getting two free dlcs and the fact that the rest of the game was great. they didnt like the ending so they are out to ruin the whole game and the whole series rep because of it.


No need for any help, Bioware did all of that all on their own...



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mumwaldee369 wrote...

People have no right to complain, but I'ma complain about the complainin'




No relevent input, could you just f...-off already?Image IPB

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Isichar wrote...

Haters always be hating

"They lied they lied!" ect ect


Well they did lie so......

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Well OP, you must realise that realistically, BioWare will only take one shot at addressing the ending issue. For a lot of people, what they've proposed doesn't address their feedback. No, we don't know specifics, but with a little extrapolation it's not hard to see that there are some things that can never be fixed by expanding on what's already there.

If these people let themselves be silenced now, and find themselves with extra content that does not resolve much, then both sides are still at a large loss and there is much less chance of recovering at that time then there is now. To quote, there's nothing wrong with continuing to ask for what they want, provided they do so in a reasonable manner.

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People Are Still Complaining?


Hm, I don't know. Is the ending still a horrific mess? Then yes.

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Dasher1010 wrote...

Even after we're told that we're getting an extended ending that isn't as abrupt/nonsensical? Even after the Patrick Weekes interview where he stated what could ahve been doen better with the ending? Even after the DLC was announced to be free? What'll it take to make the fans here happy? Will Bioware Edmonton have to go out of business after EA's stock drops and all empoyees be shifted over to dvelop casual mobile game spinoff of EA Sports frnchises in order to sate the fanrage?


It's because you don't understand the endings.  Not an insult.  Star Childs existance means MAss Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 didn't happen.  SHORT summy.  Star Child is the KING of the Reapers.  He didn't need Sovereign to open the Citadel Portal.  Nothing you did in ME 1 mattered, the whole fight against Sovereign is ridiculous Star Child controls the Citadel.  The blew apart the plot of ME 1 and ME 2, just by creating Star Child.  it's that simple.  NOW that they are sticking to that... that's why people complain.

They need to accept it and just walk away though.  Bioware is over with being trusted to write adult stories and not retcon them like a comic book.

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garf wrote...

Really? or you just bitter over how much 'we' have already won?

Sounds like you're just telling us to STFU becuase you don't like what the people who are complaining have to say.


I wasn't going to respond here, but...

You haven't won anything.

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I'll stop complaining when Bioware admits that they made a mistake when creating the endings and also admits that they lied to us prior to releasing the game. It's gone beyond the ending for me. Biowares attitude throughout this whole debacle has been so poor that a free DLC is going to do little to make me feel better.

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Mithrawn wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Haters always be hating

"They lied they lied!" ect ect


Well they did lie so......

Shh... no facts can penetrate the Bioware love bubble that some people surround themselves in.

They can do no wrong, and if you criticize them you aren't a real fan and should leave!

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robertm2 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

Dasher1010 wrote...

Even after we're told that we're getting an extended ending that isn't as abrupt/nonsensical? Even after the Patrick Weekes interview where he stated what could ahve been doen better with the ending? Even after the DLC was announced to be free? What'll it take to make the fans here happy? Will Bioware Edmonton have to go out of business after EA's stock drops and all empoyees be shifted over to dvelop casual mobile game spinoff of EA Sports frnchises in order to sate the fanrage?


welcome to bsn. people will complain about anything and everything. if it wasnt the ending it would be something else. nevermind the fact that we are getting two free dlcs and the fact that the rest of the game was great. they didnt like the ending so they are out to ruin the whole game and the whole series rep because of it.


Well the ending was pants (see the sig) and it deserves the redicule but i don't get why people are complaining about a thing they haven't even seen yet and have very few details about.

I hated the ending but i'm willing to give Bioware a shot at fixing it.


If you order steak and I give you spam, do you expect that I go back and get you your steak, or will you accept me promising to explain why spam tastes good?


neither i will either eat it or i will not pay for it (take the game back) and never go to that place again. not sit there and complain about not getting what i ordered for a month and then constantly demand you give me what i want even though i know it isnt going to happen. cut your losses and go home because trust me you lost.


Sure thing.  Of course, you don't spend 6 years in a restaurant and you certainly don't invest any emotions & time into WAITING FOR THAT STEAK either.  If you did, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't JUST LEAVE.