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[spiriticon]

If they do the fixes right, and I say IF, then the current endings could have a very very different implications. It does not necessarily mean the endings would become "less poor".

Take the Control ending for example. 99% of players have determined that that is a bad ending because they don't trust THEIR own Shepard enough to overcome the indoctrination of the Reapers. What if Shepard was "The One"? What if he/she was actually strong enough to control the Reapers ever after for the peace of the galaxy? That's actually a happy ending. It just needs clarification.

[Arppis]

panamakira wrote...

Reason why I don't check BSN as often. People got annoying really fast.

spiriticon wrote...

Pairikas wrote...

I complain because I want a diffrent Ending, that something got Change or a new One get add to the existent one. 

They do nothing of this. So... why should I stop complaining?

Don't you think that's entitlement to the core?

People want change, they got change. Just because BioWare doesn't completely keel over and accept every fan demand doesn't mean they aren't listening.

If they weren't listening, we'd be getting NO DLC.

Also some of the requests are just plain luxurious and add no value to the game whatsover. Tali's face? Emily Wong? Give me a break. The ending was a mess and needs sorted, I agree, but they are already doing that.

I want to join Saren on his conquest for world domination in my renegade Femshep playthrough. But I don't demand that Bioware let me have that CHOICE in NEW ME1 ENDING DLC because it would mean retconning ME2 and ME3. It's crazy.

They can't give you ALL the choices possible. There's a limit and people need to accept that.

QFT.

This so much.

[Reorte]

Pairikas wrote...

1.) Arrival explanation: Supernova. Ending explanation: No Supernova. Its just irritating, no matter how you explain it.

Blown fuses instead of blown relays (although it needs showing).

2.) Sure, why not? You don't need Mass Relays for FTL, you just need E-Zero. No Problem with that. But still, its not close that fast like a Mass Relay-Jump. Than coming with: Oh, we just found a way to do it that fast or close that fast pops out of nothing. Cool thing. Totaly Cheap.

Plentry of eezo available at Earth from all the trashed Reapers (and other ships). Bigger engines should now be more practical.

[Pairikas]

Reorte wrote...

Pairikas wrote...

1.) Arrival explanation: Supernova. Ending explanation: No Supernova. Its just irritating, no matter how you explain it.

Blown fuses instead of blown relays (although it needs showing).

2.) Sure, why not? You don't need Mass Relays for FTL, you just need E-Zero. No Problem with that. But still, its not close that fast like a Mass Relay-Jump. Than coming with: Oh, we just found a way to do it that fast or close that fast pops out of nothing. Cool thing. Totaly Cheap.

Plentry of eezo available at Earth from all the trashed Reapers (and other ships). Bigger engines should now be more practical.

So why the Reaper never done it? They would not need the Citadel Portal or any other Relays, would be a big help. Are we just smarter than Reaper? Really?

[Ajna]

Hexley UK wrote...

Things are a bit better, I think alot of people are waiting to see what the DLC brings myself included.

As am I.

I actually took a step back from here, did a lot of thinking, some selective reading, experienced a hell of a lot of empathy (not easy for some people, I'm lucky that it is for me) and decided to trust the dev team.  I'm one of those that is still able to play the ME series but that doesn't mean that I love the universe/story/characters any less than the next person.

I personally have felt recently like I'm being pulled in so many different directions when I've been here, the reason being that I see and understand everyone's pov, I realised that I never took the time to actually sit back and think about what MINE was.  After doing so, things became easier.  Being caught up in a tsunami of despair and anger completely railroaded my thought process, in hindsight I probably should have stayed away from here until I'd had time to "digest" what I'd seen.  I couldn't see the wood for the tree's because of the constant barrage of emotions.

Not everyone thinks the same way, not everyone deals with things the same way, I've always known and appreciated this, it made it harder for me to understand how I felt about it myself.  Perhaps this makes sense to someone.  I hope so.

[spiriticon]

Pairikas wrote...
1.) Arrival explanation: Supernova. Ending explanation: No Supernova. Its just irritating, no matter how you explain it.
2.) Sure, why not? You don't need Mass Relays for FTL, you just need E-Zero. No Problem with that. But still, its not close that fast like a Mass Relay-Jump. Than coming with: Oh, we just found a way to do it that fast or close that fast pops out of nothing. Cool thing. Totaly Cheap.
3. ) Thats true, an Epiloge can be made. But its still an epiloge of an terrible Ending.
4.)  Explaining me why hes stupid und nonsensical don't change the Fact that hes Stupid and Nonsensical.
5.) Thats a Point I really wonder how they explain it. Can't Imagine a Reason I would be ok with right now, but lets just wait and see. I bet i will be funny. Sad, but funny, lot to laugh.

1) Patrick Weekes has actually said they overloaded and didn't go supernova. That will be clarified I suppose.

2) No it's not as fast but it means nobody is "stranded in space"

3) Well it's getting done as per fan request. You can't slag them for that.

4) Maybe, But if there is a good underlying reason to all that nonsensical drivel I might accept it. I think it was a bad, poorly thought out segment of the game but I think with a little more dialogue (a lot was apparently cut out) the starbrat might become less nonsensical.

5) It's getting fixed. Again, you can't slag them for that.

[crimzontearz]

and we will keep complaining until bioware restores our faith......IF they do not screw us over again....got a problem with that???

[Grudge_NL]

The Angry One wrote...

Didn't get a single thing I wanted. So yes, still complaining.

Yeah because video games should please every individual.

Also you seem to some kind of person who gets/ have gotten everything from your parents. I respect the Retake movement and their demands, but Specific People like you deserve nothing.

Modifié par Grudge_NL, 09 avril 2012 - 10:53 .

[Reorte]

Pairikas wrote...

Reorte wrote...

Plentry of eezo available at Earth from all the trashed Reapers (and other ships). Bigger engines should now be more practical.

So why the Reaper never done it? They would not need the Citadel Portal or any other Relays, would be a big help. Are we just smarter than Reaper? Really?

The Reapers did do it. It didn't really take them all that long to hit Earth even without the Alpha relay.

[spiriticon]

crimzontearz wrote...

and we will keep complaining until bioware restores our faith......IF they do not screw us over again....got a problem with that???

No problem. Just don't expect BioWare to listen to you.

[AntiDave]

Dasher1010 wrote...

Even after we're told that we're getting an extended ending that isn't as abrupt/nonsensical? Even after the Patrick Weekes interview where he stated what could ahve been doen better with the ending? Even after the DLC was announced to be free? What'll it take to make the fans here happy? Will Bioware Edmonton have to go out of business after EA's stock drops and all empoyees be shifted over to dvelop casual mobile game spinoff of EA Sports frnchises in order to sate the fanrage?

For me this has always been about more than the ending to a video game.
This industry treats people like cattle that is okay if the quality of writing is steadily declining and that games are rushed. It then proceeds to impose measures to regulate how you use their product through DRM or the banning policy. At present people getting banned in MP or the forums will lose complete access to the game they BOUGHT. You can't modify the SP or you will get banned.

This industry has to realize that stuff like that IS NOT OK. When we buy games we want to at least get good quality for our money and not be shackled by unfair DRM or irresponsible banning policies. We don't want this industry to determine completely how we use their product.

Amazon would have never changed their DRM policy had consumers not been dissatisfied with the exploitative treatment of the music industry. When we are costumers of a big company we at least don't want to be treated like criminals and see that pirates can enjoy their stolen games more than someone who paid for a copy.

It's like many five star restaurants become more and more like fast food places and their food more alike. Nobody in his right mind would endorse that change and be satsified with getting a few render movies for free.

[Flidget]

Reorte wrote...

Pairikas wrote...

Reorte wrote...

Plentry of eezo available at Earth from all the trashed Reapers (and other ships). Bigger engines should now be more practical.

So why the Reaper never done it? They would not need the Citadel Portal or any other Relays, would be a big help. Are we just smarter than Reaper? Really?

The Reapers did do it. It didn't really take them all that long to hit Earth even without the Alpha relay.

It took them 6 months to get out of Dark Space.  Once they got to Bataran space then they had access to the Relays again.

The one good thing about that, though, is that it indicates that the Reapers have some sort of tech that let them travel for six months without needing to discharge their drives.  That'll be real handy in the post-Relay world.

[satunnainen]

Ofcourse they are still complaining about the endings. By now they have nitpicket the ending into such a small pieces, all of them with some failure or another, that no amount of patches can make it whole again.

[Rheinlandman]

Dasher1010 wrote...

Even after we're told that we're getting an extended ending that isn't as abrupt/nonsensical? Even after the Patrick Weekes interview where he stated what could ahve been doen better with the ending? Even after the DLC was announced to be free? What'll it take to make the fans here happy? Will Bioware Edmonton have to go out of business after EA's stock drops and all empoyees be shifted over to dvelop casual mobile game spinoff of EA Sports frnchises in order to sate the fanrage?

EAs stock has dropped, to some record lows I might add.

They are consumers, they have a been done wrong, they have a right to be mad.

[Vilegrim]

Dasher1010 wrote...

Even after we're told that we're getting an extended ending that isn't as abrupt/nonsensical? Even after the Patrick Weekes interview where he stated what could ahve been doen better with the ending? Even after the DLC was announced to be free? What'll it take to make the fans here happy? Will Bioware Edmonton have to go out of business after EA's stock drops and all empoyees be shifted over to dvelop casual mobile game spinoff of EA Sports frnchises in order to sate the fanrage?

Change the ending, get totally rid of the 3 choices, and space hitler

[BadlyBrowned]

Complaining about complaining threads always turn out well....

[legion999]

Grudge_NL wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Didn't get a single thing I wanted. So yes, still complaining.

Yeah because video games should please every individual.

Also you seem to some kind of person who gets/ have gotten everything from your parents. I respect the Retake movement and their demands, but Specific People like you deserve nothing.

Right because Retake Mass Effect is really just a single entity and isn't made up of thousands who didn't get what they wanted. Thanks for the clarification you should work for Bioware.

[Torrible]

legion999 wrote...

Grudge_NL wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Didn't get a single thing I wanted. So yes, still complaining.

Yeah because video games should please every individual.

Also you seem to some kind of person who gets/ have gotten everything from your parents. I respect the Retake movement and their demands, but Specific People like you deserve nothing.

Right because Retake Mass Effect is really just a single entity and isn't made up of thousands who didn't get what they wanted. Thanks for the clarification you should work for Bioware.

Shaoken wrote...

The retake movement is not some monlothic movement united in any tangible way; it's pretty much splintered now; you have the people who just want to feel like their choices mattered in the end run, and Bioware's promised that the Extended Cut will show what happened after the rainbow ending with your allies and how the universe moved on, as well as clarify...stuff (I'm guessing the scene at the Crucible will be longer, probably with a bigger conversation tree with Starchild where you can ask him just what the hell is going on), then you have the people who want the entire ending changed, ignoring all the reasons why such a thing is impossible (ie no video game in history has had their ending outright discarded and replaced; the most commonly cited example with Fallout 3 was actually just expanding and clarifying; nothing from the original ending was really changed, they just wrote around it and made it something bigger, and the fact that even if Bioware did think such a thing was a good idea, EA would never in a million years give them the money to redo their own game, and the fans would still complain that it was taking forever).

 

Don't pretend Retake is still united in a single cause. 

[Rifter7]

hope they prove the indoctrination theory, show us what really happens to the reapers, to shepard and to our squad mates.

because damn.. if it's not indoctrination..

[Dasher1010]

the_geo_law wrote...

Dasher1010 wrote...

Even after we're told that we're getting an extended ending that isn't as abrupt/nonsensical? Even after the Patrick Weekes interview where he stated what could ahve been doen better with the ending? Even after the DLC was announced to be free? What'll it take to make the fans here happy? Will Bioware Edmonton have to go out of business after EA's stock drops and all empoyees be shifted over to dvelop casual mobile game spinoff of EA Sports frnchises in order to sate the fanrage?

Listen, just because you mom bought you the game... and $70-$100 means nothing to you, doesn't mean its true for everyone. When a project director says something, other leads on the project say something... and it turns out to be the opposite... yes people are generally pissed by that. The series deserves a better ending... and frankly threads like your lack any intelligence or thought, just someone who can't spell franchises telling me I shouldn't be upset because you have no clue whats going on.

1. I paid for this with my own cash

2. I'm 24

3. There's a difference between typos and not knowing how to spell

[GreyLycanTrope]

I still complain because of this http://chzvideogames...have-played.png

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 09 avril 2012 - 03:44 .

[sasusori]

Arppis wrote...

Aryck1095 V2 wrote...

The thing is, we don't want an extended cut. We don't want "clarification"; we want a new ending. And we want the holographic Star Child to take a long walk out the airlock. Somebody buzz this guy that YouTube video, the one with Genre/Characters/Narrative thing. I forget what it's called.

"The things that I want", by Max Payne. A smoke. A whiskey. For the sun
to shine. I want to sleep to forget. To change the past. My wife and
baby girl back. Unlimited ammo and a license to kill. Right then, more
than anything, I wanted her.

the things he got instead, a explanaition of what makes smoke, a course on the fermenting process of whiskey, a class on the molecules of the sun, a sleep study, a theory on how time travel might work. a verification on why your wife and baby girl died, and a focus group to understand what unlimited ammo and a license to kill might look like,

there arent you happy i clarified that for you?

[sasusori]

spiriticon wrote...

people wanted ending DLC, they got ending DLC.

I don't know what some are still complaining about and it's getting really boring with endless topics flaming BioWare.

no people wanted the 16+ endings that bioware said we would get prior to release of the game, and i dont recall bioware saying that would be included in the DLC, do you?

[sasusori]

spiriticon wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

spiriticon wrote...

people wanted ending DLC, they got ending DLC.

I don't know what some are still complaining about and it's getting really boring with endless topics flaming BioWare.

So you think its boring, and because so, you want everyone to stop.


Good luck with that.

I think its boring because people got what they wanted and yet they WANT more.

It's like Morinth syndrome. It's narcotic to the point of danger.

i never wanted them to clarify that ending, i wanted the other 16 they said we would have

waiter: its 50 dollars, but theres 16 meals or more to choose from i promise,

custumer: ok here is 50 buck, show me the menu list

menu list

1. hamburger with ketchup

2. hamburger with pickles

3. hamburger with blue cheese

customer: you got to be F*cking kidding me

waiter: let me clarify why this works

Modifié par sasusori, 09 avril 2012 - 04:34 .

[crimzontearz]

spiriticon wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...and we will keep complaining until bioware restores our faith......IF they do not screw us over again....got a problem with that???

No problem. Just don't expect BioWare to listen to you.

expect them?


no, I stopped expecting things from them really.


I did expect from bioware better writing, a less rushed game, resources to be focused only on SP, an ending that made sense, their promises fulfilled...


from the company that started off with three guys and 100k $ to whom money was an mean to an end and the end was to make great games (and not vice versa) I expected humility and the ability to listen to the fans especially when the diehard group of them is saying that the ending makes the game un-replayable to them. I expected them not to slap their superiority and hubris-fed stubborness in our faces with several subsequent statements...


I EXPECTED all of that but I do not anymore...if they nail the extended cut then great, almost all will be forgiven otherwise I'm just moving on to another studio and give them money. Both Rocksteady and Vigil and maybe CDPR (I do not really dig the witcher as a franchise but I can recognize a company with integrity and customer focus when I see one)

Modifié par crimzontearz, 09 avril 2012 - 04:36 .