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#26
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DinoSteve wrote...

This thread again




you know in your ramblings there, you should stop and think where would Mass Effect be without Casey Hudson


Mr. Ego trip should just grow a quad and admit he screwed up instead of patting his back. Then fix the ending by scrapping the SpaceChild/SpaceMagic :wizard: BS and stick to the things that made Mass Effect the most valued franchise of this decade: Focus on characters and keeping the narrative coherence.

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Sparse wrote...

andomguy666uk wrote...

Well, blame Casey Hudson


I think everybody already is.

And you may want to be careful creating threads solely to criticise bioware staff.


I'll openly call them out where people feel like we've been screwed over for our loyalty. If Bioware come down hard, then it shows we're right. Take a look at just how Bioware have operated recently:

at PAX, they completely ignored the endings topic, instead hiding behind "approved" questions from fans - even the PAX live stream chat was being policed and every question relating to the endings was deleted.

They claim to be listening to fans, only to then go and do the opposite of what we've been calling for  which is what were were promised all along

Getting any kind of help and support out of them is like trying to get blood out of a stone - i's just not worth trying.

xcomcmdr wrote...

BrookerT wrote...
You were never promised varied endings.

http://masseffect.com/about/story/ wrote...

Along the way, your choices drive powerful outcomes, including
relationships with key characters, the fate of entire civilizations, and
even radically different ending scenarios.

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]


need I say more?

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This thread is pointless. Nobody here has a clue of what's going on at Bioware, and we're certainly not in the position to tell them to fire someone. Don't want the community to look like a bunch of entitled whiners? Stop posting threads like this.

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andomguy666uk wrote...

So, Bioware promised us endings that reflected our choices, but all we got was a Generic A, B or C outcome, despite being promised otherwise. Why? Well, blame Casey Hudson, who decided that HE ALONE knew best how to end Mass Effect 3

http://www.gamesthir...e-stays-silent/


I get so confused. Wasnt this reported as fake?

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First; Casey Hudson made Mass Effect. If not for him, you wouldn't be here in this forum period, end of story. It'd be like saying Lucasfilms needs to fire George Lucas, Kojima Productions needs to fire Hideo Kojima, Nindento needs to fire Shergiro Miomoto. You'd be gutting the franchise by decapitating the head of the team. It's stupid, and ultimately is more destructive in the long run.

Secondly, you screwed up with your comment that Hudson was insulting Christians; it wasn't Hudson saying it over twitter, and what others are saying is that it was a joke. If you can't be bothered to fact-check, why should any of us take your opinion seriously?

Third, your source in the OP is claimed to be Weekes, but he himself has repeatidly denied he made the comments, and the post in question has been deleted with all quotes on that forum deleted as well, so it is literally impossible for us to confirm if it was in fact Weekes who said it. And even in the quote provided, the author is nowhere near as harsh on Hudson; the worst he said was that Casey sometimes forgets that not everyone is on the same page.

Fourth, Weekes himself disputes your claims, since the unoffical chat he had with fans at PAX laid more blame on EA being stingy with resources then mismanagement. The simple truth of it is that EA was cheap (suprise suprise from the worst corporation in America; when you can beat Bank of America in that catagory, you know you suck) and Bioware was given a bad situation and made the best of it.

Fifth, this is hardly a PR disaster; EA (the publisher) looks to all the "professional" reviews on the game, which paints it as a perfect 10 (because they don't have the emotional attachment we do, hence they're not as concerned as we are about it). Bioware is the one that actually listens to the fans (and they do listen, as we've had developers post in these forums when the jerks in the retake movement aren't breathing down their necks, picking apart everything they say and trying to quote them out of context as "proof" Bioware looks down on it's fanbase).

The retake movement is not some monlothic movement united in any tangible way; it's pretty much splintered now; you have the people who just want to feel like their choices mattered in the end run, and Bioware's promised that the Extended Cut will show what happened after the rainbow ending with your allies and how the universe moved on, as well as clarify...stuff (I'm guessing the scene at the Crucible will be longer, probably with a bigger conversation tree with Starchild where you can ask him just what the hell is going on), then you have the people who want the entire ending changed, ignoring all the reasons why such a thing is impossible (ie no video game in history has had their ending outright discarded and replaced; the most commonly cited example with Fallout 3 was actually just expanding and clarifying; nothing from the original ending was really changed, they just wrote around it and made it something bigger, and the fact that even if Bioware did think such a thing was a good idea, EA would never in a million years give them the money to redo their own game, and the fans would still complain that it was taking forever).

So in short, Casey should stay, since you learn more from failing than you do from never being called out on a mistake.

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-Draikin- wrote...

This thread is pointless. Nobody here has a clue of what's going on at Bioware, and we're certainly not in the position to tell them to fire someone. Don't want the community to look like a bunch of entitled whiners? Stop posting threads like this.


+1

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I blame Kinect and Multiplayer.

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-Draikin- wrote...

This thread is pointless. Nobody here has a clue of what's going on at Bioware, and we're certainly not in the position to tell them to fire someone. Don't want the community to look like a bunch of entitled whiners? Stop posting threads like this.


This. Some people here think they're head of HR at Bioware because they spent 60 bucks on one of their games, I swear. Unbelievable.

And for the record, I think the ME3 ending is an indefensible mess, and as head honcho, Casey Hudson is ultimately responsible for what's in the game no matter what. But this thing here where people act as if they know every little detail about how these games are made, then decide to side with who they perceive as the "little guy" and call for the head of a specific BW employee on a stick, it's just fartin' ridiculous.

Not to mention, and this is another thing I'll never get sick of pointing out, Casey Hudson also directed KOTOR.

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Casey Hudson is the George Lucas of gaming.

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A lot of people hate the ending. I hate the ending. But you're saying Bioware should take away this man's livelihood because he messed up the game? Really?

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I think everyone already knows it's Casey (and Mac) who pushed this ending through. This is what happens when one or two individuals have too much influence and control over a big project like this. Let's be fair though, Casey has done a great job with the series and deserves credit for that. If only he hadn't let his ego and 'artistic vision' compromise what was supposed to be a team effort. It's just sad seeing him and ultimately the team work so hard only to fall at the final hurdle.

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-Draikin- wrote...

This thread is pointless. Nobody here has a clue of what's going on at Bioware, and we're certainly not in the position to tell them to fire someone. Don't want the community to look like a bunch of entitled whiners? Stop posting threads like this.


This. Not to mention that Mass Effect trilogy, the child of Casey Hudson, is great piece of work. Yes, whole trilogy. ME3 is superb game. The ending is the only part that is problematic. Don´t you think it´s bit unfair to suggest what you actually suggest?
But.... I think many others in this thread made valid points towards that, so I won´t repeat it. 

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While I agree the endings are subpar, it might be a little too much to attack one individual directly. We simply don't know what was the process behind the entire ending sequence.

Did they simple run out of time and slapped together something and hoped for the best? Did the entire team believe that this was the proper way to end the series? Or maybe the entire team was sick of the Mass Effect series and wanted to scuttle it in order to move on? Who knows?

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SaladinDheonqar wrote...

I think everyone already knows it's Casey (and Mac) who pushed this ending through. This is what happens when one or two individuals have too much influence and control over a big project like this. Let's be fair though, Casey has done a great job with the series and deserves credit for that. If only he hadn't let his ego and 'artistic vision' compromise what was supposed to be a team effort. It's just sad seeing him and ultimately the team work so hard only to fall at the final hurdle.

 

Like I said - this just like watching a  Champsionship winning coach get let go.  Fact remains that  he failed to get the team past the final hurdle and  the whole thing  Imploded on itself ... that falls on his shoulders.   

Its really not about attacking anyone personal but it may be time for a change to be made to ensure long term viability of franchise. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 09 avril 2012 - 12:05 .


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SaladinDheonqar wrote...

I think everyone already knows it's Casey (and Mac) who pushed this ending through. This is what happens when one or two individuals have too much influence and control over a big project like this. Let's be fair though, Casey has done a great job with the series and deserves credit for that. If only he hadn't let his ego and 'artistic vision' compromise what was supposed to be a team effort. It's just sad seeing him and ultimately the team work so hard only to fall at the final hurdle.


HOW exatly does everyone know it was Casey and Mac? One forum post, deleted long before any of us ever even heard of it, that claims to be from a man who is swearing up, down and centre that it was not from him, and who is also indirectly laying the blame at EA's feet for being stingy with the resources they gave, and yet the internet is accepting it as if it's the word of God himself.

The offical line from the man who people are insisting said this is that it's a fake, you have no proof that he's lying. Ergo, your entire argument is based off a confirmed fake. Even Drew, the head writer that fans seem to love, said that such an ending was discussed while he was still on the team.

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Shaoken wrote...

It'd be like saying Lucasfilms needs to fire George Lucas, ...

I've been saying that for years...George doesn't give a varren's backside for what happens to Star Wars as a franchise anymore, so long as he retains his ginormous wealth.

Anywhoo, no, Casey Hudson doesn't need firing.  He brought us ME 1 & 2, so he's all right in my book.  But his decision-making skills are currently being called into question about his handling of ME3 and I think that's a good thing.  I just hope he does the right thing and seriously considers what people are telling him...

The Ending to Mass Effect 3 (and the series as a whole) needs to be scrapped.  Fix it, release it for free, with promised content, and everyone will be happy.  Leave an option in the game for it to stay as it is for those few people who think the ending is "fine the way it is".  They obviously don't expect much from their games and their respective logicality and plot-cohesiveness, so leave that as an option for them.  But give the rest of us some choices...it's fairly simple really.

Providing new endings for the folks who want them can't harm those that are already happy with it.  They can continue to live in bliss that everything's "just fine".  BW/EA can fix the problems for the rest of the known gaming universe, and we can all go on to enjoy fine future products from these guys.  And there was much rejoicing...

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Fire Casey Hudson - his actions in the past few days - offending Christians and fans on Twitter

Hang on, what?

While I agree the endings are subpar, it might be a little too much to attack one individual directly

He was project director, and this happened on his watch. Thus, I'd imagine that his resignation would make a lot of fans very happy.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 09 avril 2012 - 12:07 .


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I suggest OP read The Final Hours App. You get a good understanding in how much Casey actually meant for this franchise. And it is alot.

He was the one who managed to convince Bioware to make Mass Effect a trilogy, and make choices carry over the three games. He has had his hands on almost everything in Mass Effect, story, gameplay, sound, etc.

After reading the app, I was quite convinced that no other person deserves more credit for Mass Effect than Casey - he really worked his ass off to deliver this to us.

The way people are treating him now is disgusting.

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andomguy666uk wrote...

Sparse wrote...

andomguy666uk wrote...

Well, blame Casey Hudson


I think everybody already is.

And you may want to be careful creating threads solely to criticise bioware staff.


I'll openly call them out where people feel like we've been screwed over for our loyalty. If Bioware come down hard, then it shows we're right. Take a look at just how Bioware have operated recently:

at PAX, they completely ignored the endings topic, instead hiding behind "approved" questions from fans - even the PAX live stream chat was being policed and every question relating to the endings was deleted.

They claim to be listening to fans, only to then go and do the opposite of what we've been calling for  which is what were were promised all along

Getting any kind of help and support out of them is like trying to get blood out of a stone - i's just not worth trying.

xcomcmdr wrote...

BrookerT wrote...
You were never promised varied endings.

http://masseffect.com/about/story/ wrote...

Along the way, your choices drive powerful outcomes, including
relationships with key characters, the fate of entire civilizations, and
even radically different ending scenarios.

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]


need I say more?


They are radically different in what they represent, even if they seem the same. Earth is obliterated, just ruined or saved - this is a dirtect result of you EMS which is mad bigger by the correct choices. And by promised, I meant by Hudson.

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nitefyre410 wrote...

SaladinDheonqar wrote...

I think everyone already knows it's Casey (and Mac) who pushed this ending through. This is what happens when one or two individuals have too much influence and control over a big project like this. Let's be fair though, Casey has done a great job with the series and deserves credit for that. If only he hadn't let his ego and 'artistic vision' compromise what was supposed to be a team effort. It's just sad seeing him and ultimately the team work so hard only to fall at the final hurdle.

 

Like I said - this just like watching a  Champsionship winning coach get let go.  Fact remains that  he failed to get the team past the final hurdle and  the whole thing  Imploded on itself ... that falls on his shoulders.   


This isn't Baseball, and you're neglecting the fact that Bioware answers to EA, who has the final word on everything and according to Weekes (who again, is the only person whose quote unquote "word" is the reason you're even pointing the finger at Hudson) it was EA who was stingy with resources and who stuck the deadline on them.

And it doesn't change the fact that 99% of ME3 was f***ing-awesome. And if the extended cut delievers everything it promises, that will make the game 100% f***ing awesome. So you'd fire someone over 1% of a product, when that 1% is from something EA doesn't even bothering considering anymore?

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AlexMBrennan wrote...

Fire Casey Hudson - his actions in the past few days - offending Christians and fans on Twitter

Hang on, what?

While I agree the endings are subpar, it might be a little too much to attack one individual directly

He was project director, and this happened on his watch. Thus, I'd imagine that his resignation would make a lot of fans very happy.


Well then fans are sadastic b*stards

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 AlexMBrennan wrote...

Fire Casey Hudson - his actions in the past few days - offending Christians and fans on Twitter

Hang on, what? 


It's NOT Casey and most people agree that it was a joke


While I agree the endings are subpar, it might be a little too much to attack one individual directly

He was project director, and this happened on his watch. Thus, I'd imagine that his resignation would make a lot of fans very happy. 

 

Look at the replies in this thread again. People don't want him gone.

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I agree it is all Casey's fault

(This is an opinion not a threat, u can't ban me for that Bioware...)

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The last few days have started to make Weekes my new Bioware hero. I hear he's on the EC, but I fear even his brilliance can't fix this mess.

See my signature.

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AlexMBrennan wrote...


Fire Casey Hudson - his actions in the past few days - offending Christians and fans on Twitter

Hang on, what?

While I agree the endings are subpar, it might be a little too much to attack one individual directly

He was project director, and this happened on his watch. Thus, I'd imagine that his resignation would make a lot of fans very happy.


I don´t believe that.