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[nitefyre410]

Shaoken wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

SaladinDheonqar wrote...

I think everyone already knows it's Casey (and Mac) who pushed this ending through. This is what happens when one or two individuals have too much influence and control over a big project like this. Let's be fair though, Casey has done a great job with the series and deserves credit for that. If only he hadn't let his ego and 'artistic vision' compromise what was supposed to be a team effort. It's just sad seeing him and ultimately the team work so hard only to fall at the final hurdle.

 

Like I said - this just like watching a  Champsionship winning coach get let go.  Fact remains that  he failed to get the team past the final hurdle and  the whole thing  Imploded on itself ... that falls on his shoulders.   

This isn't Baseball, and you're neglecting the fact that Bioware answers to EA, who has the final word on everything and according to Weekes (who again, is the only person whose quote unquote "word" is the reason you're even pointing the finger at Hudson) it was EA who was stingy with resources and who stuck the deadline on them.

And it doesn't change the fact that 99% of ME3 was f***ing-awesome. And if the extended cut delievers everything it promises, that will make the game 100% f***ing awesome. So you'd fire someone over 1% of a product, when that 1% is from something EA doesn't even bothering considering anymore?

 

Princple Still the same  and it still applies.. 

No its not  neglating that fact -  what is being neglated is that  the game imploded on itself at the end and now there has been a ton of bad press, prices have dropped more than usual precentage and  they have been forced on PR damage control ... Forbes and the WSJ are not just some upstart  gaming sites.. sites ya know.    

And Yes... I would.... I would fire myself over it.  Especially something as bad as the ME 3 ending they can even pass a  high school creative writing  class.  

Modifié par nitefyre410, 09 avril 2012 - 12:13 .

[shepskisaac]

Thornquist wrote...

I suggest OP read The Final Hours App. You get a good understanding in how much Casey actually meant for this franchise. And it is alot.

He was the one who managed to convince Bioware to make Mass Effect a trilogy, and make choices carry over the three games. He has had his hands on almost everything in Mass Effect, story, gameplay, sound, etc.

After reading the app, I was quite convinced that no other person deserves more credit for Mass Effect than Casey - he really worked his ass off to deliver this to us.

The way people are treating him now is disgusting.

Don't bother. Some people here have very selective memory and a reasoning on the level of 5 years old.

[Silveralen]

First off, if you don't think he is qualified, just avoid the games he develops. Same prinicplenas avoiding bioware, or EA as a whole. Talk with your money. His games stop making money, your wish is fulfilled.

Second, what do you mean he offended Christians? I'm confused. Of course that isn't exactly hard, but still what are u talking about?

[Kosmiker]

"In scapegoating, feelings of guilt, aggression, blame and suffering are transferred away from a person or group so as to fulfill an unconscious drive to resolve or avoid such bad feelings."

[Keirus]

I don't like how he made men give birth in Alien (what would jesus say) and how vague Prometheus is about it being a prequel. FIRE RIDLEY SCOTT!

Modifié par Keirus, 09 avril 2012 - 12:18 .

[xcomcmdr]

Thornquist wrote...

I suggest OP read The Final Hours App. You get a good understanding in how much Casey actually meant for this franchise. And it is alot.

He was the one who managed to convince Bioware to make Mass Effect a trilogy, and make choices carry over the three games. He has had his hands on almost everything in Mass Effect, story, gameplay, sound, etc.

After reading the app, I was quite convinced that no other person deserves more credit for Mass Effect than Casey - he really worked his ass off to deliver this to us.

The way people are treating him now is disgusting.

[Grimwick]

Thornquist wrote...

I suggest OP read The Final Hours App. You get a good understanding in how much Casey actually meant for this franchise. And it is alot.

He was the one who managed to convince Bioware to make Mass Effect a trilogy, and make choices carry over the three games. He has had his hands on almost everything in Mass Effect, story, gameplay, sound, etc.

After reading the app, I was quite convinced that no other person deserves more credit for Mass Effect than Casey - he really worked his ass off to deliver this to us.

The way people are treating him now is disgusting.

He did a lot and deserves much credit for the work he put in.
If it wasn't for the last 5 mins most people would be singing his praises but unfortunately you go down in history more for your mistakes than your successes.

[Torrible]

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Modifié par Torrible, 09 avril 2012 - 12:20 .

[McAllyster]

andomguy666uk wrote...

McAllyster wrote...

Casey Hudson's responsibility as the executive producer is true. We can assume the ending is his and/or Mac Walters' creation.

However "fire Casey Hudson" is a very harsh approach. He is one of the creators of the series. We loved Mass Effect. Without him Mass Effect would not be the same.

Yes he made a mistake. A very huge mistake.

But I prefer this solution:

- Casey stays
- Casey learns from this controversy
- helps to fix the broken endings
- and after a looong holiday he comes back and helps to create a perfect, new Mass Effect trilogy.

Firing him is hardly too much. I've worked with companies where we had people make less of a mess and we kicked them out because of the problems they caused. This ending has hit Bioware's PR image like a truck, and they need to show some serious backbone, rather than hiding behind "artistic imagery" and a sofa praying this all goes away.

We simply don't know enough about Bioware's decision making process. You assume Casey and/or Mac are responsible for this mess - but you don't have enough information to ask Bioware: "Fire them!". 

You are not the employer of these people. You don't know how hard was these two years of developement. For example you don't know who decided to publish this game two years after ME2. Two years of developement seems too fast for me. Who decided to rush this game? Bioware? EA?

Casey also had his boss - somebody who decided to trust his vision. There are quality assurance people also. Focus groups. Tons of corporate stuff.

So no. This is not a simple question.

And this is like: "Fire Gene Roddenberry because of bad Star Trek movies!". There was a lot of bad Trek movies back. Trekkers also criticized them. But never asked the studio to "fire Gene Roddenberry."

[andomguy666uk]

Silveralen wrote...
Second, what do you mean he offended Christians? I'm confused. Of course that isn't exactly hard, but still what are u talking about?

**** i got the wrong guy on that one - teaches me to look at twitter in the early hours of the morning. It was sent by Chris Priestly. I'll amend the opening post, but here's what was said:

BioEvilChris wrote...
What do you mean "at the end he died on a cross"? That makes no sense! And what of his companions? #newtestamentrage* #retakeeaster

and his "appology"

BioEvilChris wrote...
To all offended by my previous post, I apologize. Instead I wish everyone a Happy Zombie Messiah Day instead. #howdidigetinthishandbasket

now, if you or I said this, I'm pretty damn sure we'd be fired for it.

[Hihoshi101]

The 2 year time limit thing is so the can legally take it down it will probably be free for as long as it is online...

[viperabyss]

Hihoshi101 wrote...

The 2 year time limit thing is so the can legally take it down it will probably be free for as long as it is online...

Unless its like Bring Down the Sky, where they just let the serial generator fails. That way, after two years, the only way you can play the add on is by talking with an EA rep.

[BooBoo_swe]

Shaoken wrote...


Fifth, this is hardly a PR disaster; EA (the publisher) looks to all the "professional" reviews on the game, which paints it as a perfect 10 (because they don't have the emotional attachment we do, hence they're not as concerned as we are about it). Bioware is the one that actually listens to the fans (and they do listen, as we've had developers post in these forums when the jerks in the retake movement aren't breathing down their necks, picking apart everything they say and trying to quote them out of context as "proof" Bioware looks down on it's fanbase).

That is probably why forbes ranked EA lowest in the USA ever. Not a PR disaster. Don't tell people to fact-check when you're clueless yourself.

[Keltikone]

A lot of us didn't like the ending, but at the end of the day its just a video game. 99% of the game was fun and engaging too, maintaining a fairly strong narrative.
Blame Mr H for the whole thing, he got it mostly right. Also. a lot of people liked the ending, maybe they just "got it" or were willing to overlook the flaws. At the end of the day, if you still feel strongly about it, don't buy thier product, sorry, artwork.

[Shaoken]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Shaoken wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

SaladinDheonqar wrote...

I think everyone already knows it's Casey (and Mac) who pushed this ending through. This is what happens when one or two individuals have too much influence and control over a big project like this. Let's be fair though, Casey has done a great job with the series and deserves credit for that. If only he hadn't let his ego and 'artistic vision' compromise what was supposed to be a team effort. It's just sad seeing him and ultimately the team work so hard only to fall at the final hurdle.

 

Like I said - this just like watching a  Champsionship winning coach get let go.  Fact remains that  he failed to get the team past the final hurdle and  the whole thing  Imploded on itself ... that falls on his shoulders.   

This isn't Baseball, and you're neglecting the fact that Bioware answers to EA, who has the final word on everything and according to Weekes (who again, is the only person whose quote unquote "word" is the reason you're even pointing the finger at Hudson) it was EA who was stingy with resources and who stuck the deadline on them.

And it doesn't change the fact that 99% of ME3 was f***ing-awesome. And if the extended cut delievers everything it promises, that will make the game 100% f***ing awesome. So you'd fire someone over 1% of a product, when that 1% is from something EA doesn't even bothering considering anymore?

 

Princple Still the same  and it still applies.. 

No its not  neglating that fact -  what is being neglated is that  the game imploded on itself at the end and now there has been a ton of bad press, prices have dropped more than usual precentage and  they have been forced on PR damage control ... Forbes and the WSJ are not just some upstart  gaming sites.. sites ya know.    

And Yes... I would.... I would fire myself over it.  Especially something as bad as the ME 3 ending they can even pass a  high school creative writing  class.  

I respectfully suggest that you don't know what the hell you're talking about; this is not a sport. Period. Lawyers don't get fired if they lose a case, especially if they pulled off several excellent wins before. Director's don't get fired if a film flops, especially if they directed several blockbusters in the past.

99% of the game was excellent, and the 1% that was terrible is getting fixed with a free patch, and I predict that once it comes out if it does deliever what it promises the majority of the ME3 fanbase will accept it and, while not forgetting the original endings, move on, just like how the Fallout 3 fanbase moved on.

And again, EA rushed Bioware and was stingy with resources. So you're saying that Hudson should be fired because EA interfered? Riiiiiiiiight.

Finally, you have no proof that Hudson and Mac rewrote the ending by themselves. Weekes has denied the OP's post time and time again, and all things considered he is too classy a guy to bury Hudson like he did. And even in the OP the post still came off as not being hard on Casey.

[BrookerT]

andomguy666uk wrote...

Silveralen wrote...
Second, what do you mean he offended Christians? I'm confused. Of course that isn't exactly hard, but still what are u talking about?

**** i got the wrong guy on that one - teaches me to look at twitter in the early hours of the morning. It was sent by Chris Priestly. I'll amend the opening post, but here's what was said:

BioEvilChris wrote...
What do you mean "at the end he died on a cross"? That makes no sense! And what of his companions? #newtestamentrage* #retakeeaster

and his "appology"

BioEvilChris wrote...
To all offended by my previous post, I apologize. Instead I wish everyone a Happy Zombie Messiah Day instead. #howdidigetinthishandbasket

now, if you or I said this, I'm pretty damn sure we'd be fired for it.

He desevrse to be fired, for something he said on his private Twitter account, a twitter account not tied to EA or Bioware, his Own opinion? Suuuure

[viperabyss]

andomguy666uk wrote...

Silveralen wrote...
Second, what do you mean he offended Christians? I'm confused. Of course that isn't exactly hard, but still what are u talking about?

**** i got the wrong guy on that one - teaches me to look at twitter in the early hours of the morning. It was sent by Chris Priestly. I'll amend the opening post, but here's what was said:

BioEvilChris wrote...
What do you mean "at the end he died on a cross"? That makes no sense! And what of his companions? #newtestamentrage* #retakeeaster

and his "appology"

BioEvilChris wrote...
To all offended by my previous post, I apologize. Instead I wish everyone a Happy Zombie Messiah Day instead. #howdidigetinthishandbasket

now, if you or I said this, I'm pretty damn sure we'd be fired for it.

As someone who's job is to cater to the community, he is pretty bad at it...

[bawb44]

The tweets you found offensive were not near as bad as what some people are saying on the BSN. If you can't take your own words thrown back at you, rethink the life you have chosen to live. (GET OVER IT!)

[Torrible]

SteelRayne_swe wrote...

Shaoken wrote...


Fifth, this is hardly a PR disaster; EA (the publisher) looks to all the "professional" reviews on the game, which paints it as a perfect 10 (because they don't have the emotional attachment we do, hence they're not as concerned as we are about it). Bioware is the one that actually listens to the fans (and they do listen, as we've had developers post in these forums when the jerks in the retake movement aren't breathing down their necks, picking apart everything they say and trying to quote them out of context as "proof" Bioware looks down on it's fanbase).

That is probably why forbes ranked EA lowest in the USA ever. Not a PR disaster. Don't tell people to fact-check when you're clueless yourself.

You are deluded if you think that has mostly to do with ME3's ending.

[nitefyre410]

Nothing personal its just business... Liking him as person really have nothing to do with it.

If and or when it happens it will most likely be don't quietly and he will be moved to some other position that does not have that much creative input on anything and then will be that.

[andomguy666uk]

BrookerT wrote...

andomguy666uk wrote...

Silveralen wrote...
Second, what do you mean he offended Christians? I'm confused. Of course that isn't exactly hard, but still what are u talking about?

**** i got the wrong guy on that one - teaches me to look at twitter in the early hours of the morning. It was sent by Chris Priestly. I'll amend the opening post, but here's what was said:

BioEvilChris wrote...
What do you mean "at the end he died on a cross"? That makes no sense! And what of his companions? #newtestamentrage* #retakeeaster

and his "appology"

BioEvilChris wrote...
To all offended by my previous post, I apologize. Instead I wish everyone a Happy Zombie Messiah Day instead. #howdidigetinthishandbasket

now, if you or I said this, I'm pretty damn sure we'd be fired for it.

He desevrse to be fired, for something he said on his private Twitter account, a twitter account not tied to EA or Bioware, his Own opinion? Suuuure

Like i said, I'm pretty sure we'd have been fired for it if it had been in many other companies, regardless of it being on a private or company owned account. Bosses look closely at what their staff say online, because in a world where most people post everything online for the world to see, it's easy for one guys comments to spread like wild-fire and cause a PR ****storm

[Sarevok Synder]

andomguy666uk wrote...

now, if you or I said this, I'm pretty damn sure we'd be fired for it.

So what? Chris is probably an atheist. He should be fully entitled to express his views on any religion without being in fear for his job. I thought we still have freedom of speech?

[Shaoken]

SteelRayne_swe wrote...

Shaoken wrote...


Fifth, this is hardly a PR disaster; EA (the publisher) looks to all the "professional" reviews on the game, which paints it as a perfect 10 (because they don't have the emotional attachment we do, hence they're not as concerned as we are about it). Bioware is the one that actually listens to the fans (and they do listen, as we've had developers post in these forums when the jerks in the retake movement aren't breathing down their necks, picking apart everything they say and trying to quote them out of context as "proof" Bioware looks down on it's fanbase).

That is probably why forbes ranked EA lowest in the USA ever. Not a PR disaster. Don't tell people to fact-check when you're clueless yourself.

Right, so Forbes ranked EA lowest based ENTIRELY off of ME3. It's not because of a whole laundry list of practices spread across the entirity of EA's lifespan that was resonsible, thus making that a PR mess of their own making and not of Bioware's?

Funny, you just picked one part of my argument, and you couldn't even debunk THAT correctly while saying I'm the one who should fact-check; EA is ranked the lowest in the US because of a long-running list of practicies and scandals that have nothing to do with Mass Effect 3, which is why I'm mocking the idea that this is a PR disaster when, as you just brought up, EA is getting bad PR from COMPLETELY different incidents and events.

So the pot is now calling the kettle black.

OP, as for that "insult" to Christian, Jesus H. Christ you would have to have no skin and no sense of humour to be insulted by that; Jesus is a zombie; he rose from the dead, that is a zombie. It's a fact. No, I am mistaken; he's actually a reverse zombie since he asks his followers to eat his flesh and drink his blood.

[BrookerT]

Sarevok Synder wrote...

andomguy666uk wrote...

now, if you or I said this, I'm pretty damn sure we'd be fired for it.

So what? Chris is probably an atheist. He should be fully entitled to express his views on any religion without being in fear for his job. I thought we still have freedom of speech?

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