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[whoisthis98]

everyone runs their course thats why writers in hollywood get fired all the time   casey is done time to let him go and move on. He is responsible for the biggest screw up in gaming history. Yes worse than daikatana. At least that game had great ideas just done ****** poorly.

[Tazzmission]

op we all understand fans are mad can you stop creating the same thing please?

[eddieoctane]

BrookerT wrote...

Sure lets fire the man who made Mas Effect, from Mass Effcet. They have denied the interview, even the person who is apparntly being interview, and it was chris priestly who made the joke about Christians. And the extended cut is adding conclusion that revolve around you choices. You were never promised varied endings. So do some reaserch, stop inciting anger at specific people and give it a friggen rest. 

Drew was the lead writer in ME1. He was one of the leads in ME2. The bulk of what made Mass Effect great was the narrative. Hudson had more of a producer role. WHen producers in films get too involved, the quality always suffer, but they like to take credit for the film's accomplishment.

Nix Casey. Bring back Drew. Get the creative parts of the franchise back on track.

[Apfelweinbrauer]

eddieoctane wrote...


Nix Casey. Bring back Drew. Get the creative parts of the franchise back on track.

Ahhmmm, you read about his "dark matter" angle, didn't you?

[AcesRedd]

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

As much as I personally dislike Hudson, mainly because of all the false promises he made pre-release, why do you want him to get fired?

1. Even if BioWare for some reason decides to give him his last paycheck, your broken ending won't get magically fixed overnight, so crying for his blood won't get you anything. And even if so, getting him fired so you just can enjoy a videogame is a bit questionable...

2. If he gets fired, which guy do you want to take his place and fix the endings?
Sure, the ending of ME3 is downright abysmal, but compared to the standards of the videogaming industry, ME1, 2 and the biggest part of ME3 are pure gold.
And please don't suggest Karpshyn as his successor. Have you read his ideas about the ending, the dark matter stuff? It's even worse than the current ending.

I could easily "forgive" BioWare/Hudson for this mess, if they just did three little things, that wouldn't even cost them a dime:

- Release an honest apology for the wrong promises that were made about the endings pre-release

- Tell the fans WHY this kind of ending was chosen and WHY you considered it to be a good idea and what kind of reaction you expected from the fans before releasing the ending. If fans have further questions about your answers, be open for discussion.

- Acknowledge the fact that your ending has disappointed a large majority of the fanbase. I DON'T expect you to apologize for making a creative decision I do not like, but I DO expect you to realize the feelings the fanbase has about your endings. Calling people a "vocal minority" even if they obviously are the overwhelming majority, quoting videogame critics that make a living of your advertisments on their magazines/websites and only posting selected positive remarks from fans on twitter while completely ignoring complaints is just disrespectful.
(one could argue that they already have done this, but I tend to disagree on that, since they continue to hold on the "vocal minority" stuff and so on...)

But somehow I don't expect this to happen... :-(

By the way, all the commotion about a comment some BioWare-guy made on his private twitter is just ridiculous. This is the internet, if you don't like people openly speaking their mind and making jokes without bowing down to political correctness, this place is not for you...

I would be happy to see a replacement who just said something like: Okay you know that stuff about integrity? That was just BS. Honestly we were over budget on a deadline and we just didn't know how to finish the whole damn thing. Were sorry we didn't think it sucked as much as it did. We know it does just not so damn much. Look this extended cut is gonna rule. Give us a chance and we promise, no more BS.

[Shepard Wins]

Hm...

So did anyone already post this picture with a bunch of angry kids with one of them pointing at something and the signature says "That's Casey Hudson! GET HIM!"?

I can't seem to find it...

[BrookerT]

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

eddieoctane wrote...


Nix Casey. Bring back Drew. Get the creative parts of the franchise back on track.

Ahhmmm, you read about his "dark matter" angle, didn't you?

I know, Drew's ending was as bad if not wore than the one we got, and I really wouldn't trust Drew to right an ending. Revan proves that.

[Cruders]

revo76 wrote...

I dont support or i'm not contrary to fire someone or dramatizing 'lose his job' thing, however i dont understand what's wrong with 'Fire Casey Hudson' sentence.

You can dramatize this request by saying many many things, but this shows you're not an adult or person who works in real life.

If you did make a mistake in your real job, you'll get punishment, so simple. If you took a risk without asking your superiors by something lame, and because of that if your company lost money, and product have %50 price drops, you'll get fired.

Like i said i dont support to kick someone's ***, but this is the reality. The game you play may be un-real, but the job and fail Casey Hudson did is real deal. EA is losing money in Wall Street, ME3 prices dropped almot %50 in some cases, people refunded their games, BW became a subject of discussion and a subject of sarcasm by some video game companies (Bethesda made fun of ME3 endings, check internet) and EA/BW lost prestige here. If there's someone needs to be blamed (people or person who made final) they need to be kicked or cut all relation with company.

You can dramatize this thing, you can cry, you can shout, but if there's a mistake there's a punishment in real life job.

The reason the sentence "Fire Casey Hudson" is wrong is because the person making the statement/demand has no right to do so. The sentence, as it is right now, is a demand not an opinion. He is demanding action that results in a person losing his/her job while person making the demand has no REAL impact on the decision. This is something that should be decided by the higher-ups (not sure what level you want to use, but for this example we'll use the Co-Founders) and the shareholders (if they had any. I couldn't find any evidence that Bioware is a public company, therefore they have no shareholders to worry about). Thus the only people who should be involved in the decision making process of whether to fire Casey Hudson is Casey Hudson, his immediate superiors, their bosses, and ultimately the co-founders/ceo/etc.

Now he's free to say "I think Casey Hudson should be fire for x, x, and x" as that's his opinion and not a demand.

Just my 2cents.

[High Kicks]

I wouldn't say fire dude if all of this turns out to be the case. And, an apology? Not this soon. Remember with DA2 how it took a while for them to even admit that there were some mistakes made?

But, I can see how the ending took the short end of the stick if this is true.

Lets say you write news articles. You've been doing this for years. You've made mistakes, but learned from them with experience. Now, you're pretty damn good at your job and you know exactly what audience you're writing for and what they like.

Now, lets say, for whatever reason, you're pressed for time and I can't come up with a good article. So, you're boss pushes your ass out the way and writes up an article for you. Your boss isn't in touch with the audience like you are and, with experience in mind, isn't qualified to do your job seamlessly. But, what's done is done. The article is published. You're audience is used to YOU writing, they recognize it when they see. And they notice immediately that the person who has wrote this isn't you. So, naturally they become upset.

The boss "knows" how your job works. But, in practice? It'll probably fall short or somesome where. I've had this happen at my job before. It was mess.

[Thorn Harvestar]

DinoSteve wrote...
you should stop and think where would Mass Effect be without Casey Hudson

Pretty much this.

I can't be mad at the guy for being happy with the ending he had come up with. He's done a lot of great work with this franchise. It just wasn't nearly as good to the majority of us fans. I am grateful that they are expanding upon it; I can only imagine what the last month has been like for Casey and Mac.

[Laurencio]

andomguy666uk wrote...

So, Bioware promised us endings that reflected our choices, but all we got was a Generic A, B or C outcome, despite being promised otherwise. Why? Well, blame Casey Hudson, who decided that HE ALONE knew best how to end Mass Effect 3

http://www.gamesthir...e-stays-silent/

Bioware, you guys seriously need to take a good, hard look at yourselves, and perhaps consider doing the following:

1) Fire Casey Hudson - his actions in the past few days and with the fiasco his clear "glory hunting" has caused has done Bioware more damage than anyone else could have done without trying, and clearly warrent harsh action

2) Appologies to the fans - Needless to say, Bioware have got to draw a line in the sand, raise their hands, and say "We've screwed up, we're sorry."

3) Endings and future DLC - If Bioware are going to have any hope in salvaging this mess, They need to release new endings for all (without a 2 year time limit to being free), and should probably make sure that all future DLC for ME3 is free, as an extra "we're sorry" to the fans they've screwed over.

1. He created the universe, he came up with the pitch, he made the idea a reality. Without Hudson there probably wouldn't even be a Mass Effect, and maybe not even any such company such as Bioware. Foolish to suggest to get rid of one of their biggest assets.

2. If they disagree then they have no reason to do so. They can still cater to fans without having to appologize for something they on a personal level, disagree with.

3. No they don't. Server costs makes having them out for longer than 2 years for free a financial loss waiting to happen. No reason what so ever to do so. Making all DLCs free is idiotic, that would mean they couldn't pay their developers, writers and artists. You can not expect Bioware to run on a loss, just because you felt a little down about a game of theirs, absurd.

[Ryuzetsu]

He has an honorable way out, Seppuku...

[Apfelweinbrauer]

AcesRedd wrote...

I would be happy to see a replacement who just said something like: Okay you know that stuff about integrity? That was just BS. Honestly we were over budget on a deadline and we just didn't know how to finish the whole damn thing. Were sorry we didn't think it sucked as much as it did. We know it does just not so damn much. Look this extended cut is gonna rule. Give us a chance and we promise, no more BS.

Well I don't expect or want them to be blunt enough to call their own statements BS, they surely could handle this
without sacrificing their own dignity, but in general, I agree to you.
The extended cut on the other hand, hmm, I have a VERY BAD feeling about it, I am afraid this will even make things worse...

[AcesRedd]

Ryuzetsu wrote...

He has an honorable way out, Seppuku...

As much as I advocate firing people, teaching lessons, public humiliation and other such things. Harakiri is not the way

[BRichins330]

Sigh… Another posting on the ending… Yes the ending could have been better…

Overall the reviews are great for the game. The disappointment comes more from the loyal people who have gone through all the series.

As far as who did what, who needs to be hired/fired, or how something came together does not matter at this point. What does matter is the company has a whole released a product with their name and their parent company.

I hope I do not offend anyone with this point, but this is so much like the history of the Ford Pinto. They released a product that the company knew would have problems but decided to ship what they had because of a business need. Just in this case I hope nobody losses their real life or jobs over something like this.

Throwing my 2 cents in on this subject as a whole…
The only thing that I would ask from the company is to understand your product impacts people. If you would like a loyal fan base then you need to make sure to stand by your product for corrections, patches, and let it survive the test of time. It might even be worth keeping 2 or 3 people on full time for patches and DLCs. It was my hope you would have learned this from the Dragon Age 1 and 2, but that is getting off subject from this thread.

In Bioware’s case, introducing a concept in the last 5 minutes that had never been a factor in any part of the previous series is what is truly unexpected. Had there been a book, a movie, or even a previous DLC that introduced these concepts it might have been received better. Going off of the story as a whole; someone that travels the universe and impacts so many lives, you cannot just end the way you did. Yes technically it appears Shepard still lives in the hybrid ending. I am not saying that Shepard does need to live or die, I am saying I would have done it differently. Humm… Maybe I should start a post with that question if someone did not already.

[Torrible]

Ryuzetsu wrote...

He has an honorable way out, Seppuku...

Reported.

AcesRedd wrote...

sfam wrote...

What is with wanting to fire everyone? How 'bout instead they all get together in a group grope and fix it?

I would like an apology though, but that looks pretty doubtful.

It would be nice if they fixed it. Just like it woulda been nice if they didn't f it all up to begin with. But since they did and they're not planning on fixing the problem Id be at least happy someone took responsibility for the screw up.

" Waiter it seems someone took a dump on my soup." 
"Let me polish that dump for you sir. At no additional cost to you! :D"
"Uuuuh um could I actually just get a different bowl of soup?"
"No."

Replacing a bowl of soup is an appropriate analogy for firing someone? Why do the worst analogies in this forum usually involve soup or turd? 

Modifié par Torrible, 09 avril 2012 - 03:06 .

[Apfelweinbrauer]

BrookerT wrote...

I know, Drew's ending was as bad if not worse than the one we got, and I really wouldn't trust Drew to right an ending.

Ah, finally someone shares my opinion about that.
When people started a thread where they demanded BioWare to implement his ending instead of the current one, I almost lost my faith in humanity. Sure, people are absolutely butthurt  about what we got, but replacing it with something even worse, just because it's not Casey Hudson's work is just stupid.

Modifié par Apfelweinbrauer, 09 avril 2012 - 03:04 .

[Kyrick]

Laurencio wrote...


1. He created the universe, he came up with the pitch, he made the idea a reality. Without Hudson there probably wouldn't even be a Mass Effect, and maybe not even any such company such as Bioware. Foolish to suggest to get rid of one of their biggest assets.

Perhaps one of the dumbest things I've seen written.  Casey Hudson was an art designer for Bioware for seven years before Mass Effect ever became anything.  So Bioware was doing just fine without Hudson being a  producer, thanks very much.  

[Keldaurz]

Shaoken wrote...

So in short, Casey should stay, since you learn more from failing than you do from never being called out on a mistake.

Only if you admit the mistake on the first place and learn from it. I am fine with him staying, but please stop the nonsense.

[AcesRedd]

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

AcesRedd wrote...

I would be happy to see a replacement who just said something like: Okay you know that stuff about integrity? That was just BS. Honestly we were over budget on a deadline and we just didn't know how to finish the whole damn thing. Were sorry we didn't think it sucked as much as it did. We know it does just not so damn much. Look this extended cut is gonna rule. Give us a chance and we promise, no more BS.

Well I don't expect or want them to be blunt enough to call their own statements BS, they surely could handle this
without sacrificing their own dignity, but in general, I agree to you.
The extended cut on the other hand, hmm, I have a VERY BAD feeling about it, I am afraid this will even make things worse...

Correct. Which is why I feel the (figurative) sacrificial lamb plus a legitimate statement admitting fault would create goodwill. If they admit it sucks then we know they will really try to fix it. But if they can't tell it sucks then how can they make it any better at all?

[Laurencio]

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

I know, Drew's ending was as bad if not worse than the one we got, and I really wouldn't trust Drew to right an ending.

Ah, finally someone shares my opinion about that.
When people started a thread where they demanded BioWare to implement his ending instead of the current one, I almost lost my faith in humanity. Sure, people are absolutely butthurt  about what we got, but replacing it with something even worse, just because it's not Casey Hudson's work is just stupid.

I thought letting every writer work together as with all the other projects, preferably with the guy behind the Genophage having the lead, and listening to criticism and changing it accordingly would be the best idea myself.

[Bronze65]

Another stupid, immature post that is making us all look bad.

[Xenite]

To be honest, I am starting to have the opinion that ME3 needed another delay and EA shot it down.

DA2 and now this ending, both scream rushed.

Bioware is starting to lose everything that made them great, titles are being rushed to launch. Dialog is being cut down, etc. When they started saying "streamlined" I knew we was in for trouble. ;(

[Laurencio]

AcesRedd wrote...

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

AcesRedd wrote...

I would be happy to see a replacement who just said something like: Okay you know that stuff about integrity? That was just BS. Honestly we were over budget on a deadline and we just didn't know how to finish the whole damn thing. Were sorry we didn't think it sucked as much as it did. We know it does just not so damn much. Look this extended cut is gonna rule. Give us a chance and we promise, no more BS.

Well I don't expect or want them to be blunt enough to call their own statements BS, they surely could handle this
without sacrificing their own dignity, but in general, I agree to you.
The extended cut on the other hand, hmm, I have a VERY BAD feeling about it, I am afraid this will even make things worse...

Correct. Which is why I feel the (figurative) sacrificial lamb plus a legitimate statement admitting fault would create goodwill. If they admit it sucks then we know they will really try to fix it. But if they can't tell it sucks then how can they make it any better at all?

If I the President doesn't say the economy is tanking and won't get better, making the stock market crash and inflating prices, how can they improve it?

That's how you sound like.