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#26
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Cloaking_Thane wrote...

Lionheartwolf wrote...

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

vonSlash wrote...

A Revenant X with Barrel/AP mods dishes out some excellent damage on a non-Turian, too.


No it doesn't because you're sacrificing power usage for Weapon damage.

Powers> 95% of weapons in this game, Rev X included.

Now don't get me wrong its halfway decent and on turian you can still get 170% CD, but  overall its not that great


thats the reason why people get shoehorned into AA, SI, or SE. the Revenant is just fine on other classes. you dont have to be a power user to be a powerhouse (no pun intended) it works great on soldier class in general and it wouldnt be the first time i out preformed a power spammer with that combo. hell i have out preformed biotic users on without using a single ability. (even on gold, with an avenger) bullets to the dome are much more effective then people give it credit for.

im not saying biotics dont have their place but to suggest that they are better all around does a bigger diservice than anything.


If you play with a good group of 4 the Soldier will never be first. This is just a fact i'm sorry. I've also been forst on gold with every class, but the times I was a soldier or Krogan Sentinal etc I was playing with...not very good gold players


Ah yes, "facts".

Modifié par goffisbored, 09 avril 2012 - 01:47 .


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Woops, double post.

Modifié par goffisbored, 09 avril 2012 - 01:46 .


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it need about 10% damage buff, then it's godly. Now, it's only useful on certain classes.

Not that it isn't awesome on those... :P

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After reading this, I went right out and put the thing on my turian. Loved it. Everything I pointed it at died.

Then I looked at the readouts. I wasn't killing anything, yet everything I shot died as I shot at it.

.............

:(

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Cloaking_Thane wrote...

Lionheartwolf wrote...

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

vonSlash wrote...

A Revenant X with Barrel/AP mods dishes out some excellent damage on a non-Turian, too.


No it doesn't because you're sacrificing power usage for Weapon damage.

Powers> 95% of weapons in this game, Rev X included.

Now don't get me wrong its halfway decent and on turian you can still get 170% CD, but  overall its not that great


thats the reason why people get shoehorned into AA, SI, or SE. the Revenant is just fine on other classes. you dont have to be a power user to be a powerhouse (no pun intended) it works great on soldier class in general and it wouldnt be the first time i out preformed a power spammer with that combo. hell i have out preformed biotic users on without using a single ability. (even on gold, with an avenger) bullets to the dome are much more effective then people give it credit for.

im not saying biotics dont have their place but to suggest that they are better all around does a bigger diservice than anything.


If you play with a good group of 4 the Soldier will never be first. This is just a fact i'm sorry. I've also been forst on gold with every class, but the times I was a soldier or Krogan Sentinal etc I was playing with...not very good gold players


im not really in a mood to argue about it. you are too narrowminded for your own good. i have been in first with a soldier more than enough and against  good enough people (in case they are reading this they are pretty good :innocent:) to know it is possible in any situation. im glad you found what works well for you, but belittling other classes you are not as good at is just ignorant at best. if you ever get onto the PS3 look me up im not that hard to find and i enjoy schooling kids (not suggesting your age) on the forums who think there are only certain ways to play on gold.

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Yes that is a fact, not that scoring matters per se, but if you think you'll be the highest scorer with a soldier with competent biotic users or tech burst users or a great sniper you're just not accepting reality.

Please add me and I'll be happy to prove you wrong with me and 2 friends every time, every match regardless of enemy.

GT: Ballzy Magee

Modifié par Cloaking_Thane, 09 avril 2012 - 01:50 .


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Krogan Sentinel with AP/Stability Revenant VI does pretty well. I specialised in dropping guardians fast. Burst as opposed to full auto though, unless it was close up.

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Handheld Biscuit wrote...

Id sooner take the carnifex and be able to hit the head reliably and be effective at all ranges while having a lot faster cooldowns...

Its not underrated, there are better weapons. Id use my carnifex IV over my revenant VIII any day


My point exactly, i'd rather use the Mattock so i can line up headshots better which is vital on Silver/Gold matches, now i'm not saying the Revenant is bad, but for it's weight it ought to do better, my Mattock X keeps me closest to +200% cooldown bonus which i prefer so i can keep dishing out powers,that being said, the Revenant is better with non-caster classes like the Krogan Sentinel/Soldier.

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Yeh revenant X on a turian soldier can be decent, but you allways have to put an ammo mod and maybe rail amp to make it good. I dont like having to use equipment to make a class viable in gold.

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Revenant is dandy but I prefer the Phaeston. Functionally they are about the same in every way, but the Phaeston offers a clear accuracy advantage which to me is the deciding factor.

FWIW my Revenant is at level-III and Phaeston is at VI.

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...The Revenant useful?  I'll believe it when I see it get even vaguely competitive results.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 09 avril 2012 - 04:25 .


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Cloaking_Thane wrote...

Yes that is a fact, not that scoring matters per se, but if you think you'll be the highest scorer with a soldier with competent biotic users or tech burst users or a great sniper you're just not accepting reality.

Please add me and I'll be happy to prove you wrong with me and 2 friends every time, every match regardless of enemy.

GT: Ballzy Magee


Regularly outscore my friends on my Soldiers. Human, Krogan, and Turian alike, and I wouldn't say they're bad players at all.

Besides, your "facts" are more a sign that powers are overpowered than the Revenant is underpowered.

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ImperatorMortis wrote...

Handheld Biscuit wrote...

Id sooner take the carnifex and be able to hit the head reliably

 

Not that hard to headshot people with it. 


Its not but youre firing in bursts, remember my carnifex only needs 1 headshot to your 5(assuming both are at max level) so im actually doing more dps than you assuming youre as accurate, even more if you factor in the damage bonus im getting from my extended barrel. If you also factor in armor reductions against targets without vulnerable points, youre losing badly to a carnifex.

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Handheld Biscuit wrote... 

and be effective at all ranges 

 

The range isn't bad either(With a scope).  


It isnt bad, when youre in cover but the carnifex is better and useable even out of cover at longer ranges

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Handheld Biscuit wrote...  

while having a lot faster cooldowns... 

 

I'll give you that one. 


To be fair, i dont know what the differences in cooldown are at max level, maybe its not too bad, I have revenant IX now and its 124%....actually its about .9 seconds or so which is big if you proxy mine spam, not so bad if you marksman spam as its still up most of the time.

Each to their own i guess, id sooner use my saber I on my turian but i still would be better off with my carnifex.

Modifié par Handheld Biscuit, 09 avril 2012 - 04:28 .


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HippyGiJoe wrote...

Yeh revenant X on a turian soldier can be decent, but you allways have to put an ammo mod and maybe rail amp to make it good. I dont like having to use equipment to make a class viable in gold.


Pretty much this, and even then you have to spend too much time poking your head out of cover and lack the utility of quality powers.

I mean, if it's a choice between my Turian Sentinel with a Hornet X using AP Ammo and a Turian Soldier with a Revenant X and AP Ammo, it's a real easy choice.  Same weapon damage, better range capability, near zero reload time, and the ability to tech burst and set up biotic combos?  Yes, please.

Honestly, the only reason I ever touch Soldier is to push N7.

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HippyGiJoe wrote...

Yeh revenant X on a turian soldier can be decent, but you allways have to put an ammo mod and maybe rail amp to make it good. I dont like having to use equipment to make a class viable in gold.



This is the problem with it, even on silver. You need to use the ammo mod, or else you will hose a cannibal with 60 rounds and watch in awe as it lumbers towards you, unscathed. 

The other issue, which is not talked about, is the thing (Revenant) is useless without a scope. Which makes little sense and is completely immersion breaking, but is one of the truths of ME3. If you grab a stability mod, and a scope, and pair with Turian passives and just hip fire it is very accurate. When you actually aim down the sights (Wtihout scope) you will hit nothing or less than nothing as the bugged stability goes negative with stab mod V and Turian passives. I've tried every combo of passives and stabilty mods and anytime aiming the Rev down sights and full auto firing is just a recipe for failurer. Crosshairs = all funky. With the scope you can hip fire at close/mid and scope in at long range. Weird, but whatever.

You still need an ammo mod though. Which infuriates me to no end. I despise design inconsistencies like that. When one weapon needs ammo consumbales to be effective and others do not, it calls into question the point of having an ammo consumable mechanic, at all. Not only do these ammo consumables show up in our packs via RNG, they are wholly optional depending on which weapon you are using.

Its not depth when the Carnifex or a sniper or whatever excels in every difficulty, without an ammo consumable, yet all the assault rifle's and smg's essentially require one to function. It's just bad design. Forget the weight vs weapon and power usage thing, its just incredibly shallow when the lightest weapons are not only the most powerful in damage per shot, and thus allow more power spamming with their light weight, but also don't require consumables to excel on Gold. Meaning when the user does equip an ammo consumable that weapon becomes even more powerful while most of the weapons in the game outright require the ammo consumbale to do anything more than scratch the foe. Its just bad.

The biggest problem with the Soldier class and even the Sentinel class (only 2 active powers vs 3 for other classes) hence more relieance on weapons, is that because the non pistols necissitate an ammo consumable to be spent to even pull their weight, as a player you feel like you are putting more into the game than you are getting out of it. When an adept throws disruptor ammo on their carnifex, its icing on the cake. With the Revenant if you don't use ap ammo you'll barely kill a marauder (on silver ffs) with your whole magazine. Its not only broken and badly thought out, its ****ing stupid.

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Tried using my rev 8 on a Krogan soldier....I just dunno, took a clip or so to down a trash mob in silver and that was with burst firing. Quickly went back to a claymore and carni instead. Guess some people can make it work, I sure can't.

I think back to the m-60 in other games, which the rev seems to based on and think...where's the beef?

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Most people on this forum probably played the single player campaign and had at least one ammo power on their weapon at all times. Be it from the class you were playing (soldier, infiltrator, whatever) or from a squaddie, or from the bonus power Shepard unlocks.

In MP, there are no ammo powers, there are ammo consumables. Since we don't have ammo & equipment packs as a standard on the store, there is no reliable way to always ensure you have ammo consumables. I really like the idea of the player having to expend resources before a match begins. I wish more games would do things like this. So kudos for that, even if you restrict our resources to a casino slot machine, which sucks.

My issue is the return on investment of those spent resources. I can do better with a naked Carnifex on a Human Sentinel on Gold than I can with a (insert assault rifle here) and warp/disruptor/whatever ammo pack spent. That's not good design. Not only is the pistol a better weapon for the Sentinel because it allows more frequent power usage, but it doesn't require a spent resource to function, and if I chose to spend the resource, my game goes quicker. If I don't spend the resource, I still win. Yet with another weapon type, I need the weapon to even pull my weight.

I find the ammo consumables to be a poorly executed mechanic.

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ImperatorMortis wrote...

 Yes I know I JUST made another weapon thread, but God damnit I can't hold it in. The Revenant is ****ing god tier, even on Gold people are dying left, and right with this gun. Phantoms run at the sight of me(and stab me in the back), Atlases bow before me.  

I have underestimated this gun in the past, but holy ****.. This thing is amazing thats all there really is to say on the matter. 


+1  My all time favorite weapon.  I've named mine Elise and we kill LOTS of things together.

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I'm a big fan of the Revenant on a Turian Sentinel with Pierce and Damage mod. Cryo ammo or Disruptor.

Use it on FBW gold farms, the close quarters plus the piercing just destroys all the silly geth grouped up on the decoy.

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With a stability mod V and barrel V along with weapon dmg and headshot bonuses, it's definitely usable by any class.
Stability V gives ARs 70% accuracy/reduced recoil which is higher than a Turian Soldiers racial bonus- 35%
If you go over 100% stability, your weapon will move downwards as you fire.
So if you have stability mod V, you'll get about 105% stability which will make your weapon fire downwards.
I personally use my Rev more with Human soldiers and krogan because I have better accuracy with the stability mod v

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I had only tried out the Revenant once, but this post inspired me to play around with a Turian Sentinel and my Revenant V. I chose all the passive stability perks.

I played one match with the Stability Damper V and it seemed worthless zoomed in.

The second match I swapped out the Stability for a Precision Scope and it seemed pretty sweet. I was mowing down guys, especially the atlas which I could unload an entire clip into pretty quickly.

Then I got here and read what Mazandus posted. Ah, bugs.

Modifié par marmot 1333, 09 avril 2012 - 05:09 .


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Eh, it's good against...Cerberus, I guess.

Everything else has 2 major mobs that rely on armor as a primary defense. If you use AP ammo, you can negate that for a round, but again, I don't like relying on consumables for a class to be called "competitive". My Asari Adept puts out more DPS and rolls in to battle with a Phalanx.

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Makatak wrote...

Eh, it's good against...Cerberus, I guess.

Everything else has 2 major mobs that rely on armor as a primary defense. If you use AP ammo, you can negate that for a round, but again, I don't like relying on consumables for a class to be called "competitive". My Asari Adept puts out more DPS and rolls in to battle with a Phalanx.



This, is the problem.

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2 ways to make it useful without making it overpowered...

Keep the recoil dynamics it has and up the damage or

keep the damage the way it is, and tighten up it's accuracy from cover significantly. (but NOT as accurate as the others still.)

It takes far too many hits to kill even low tier enemies with it at any range and if you aren't in cover or already kissing the guy, you're gonna waste the majority of a mag on a single kill.

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Dasher1010 wrote...

I used a Revenant 2 with a Turian Soldier with a stability mod and extended clip. It still took half a clip to kill a normal enemy on Silver.


Really ? On Silver, I can take out 2 Ravagers with the same mag with an Assault Rifle Amp and AP Ammo.