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[eldrjth]

Schneidend wrote...

Emphasis mine. This is a big part of it.

Some people want to fight mid-to-close range. The claymore salarian pumps out tons of damage in a different way. There's no objective way to verify which is "more efficient."

it does. but anyone skilled with a sniper would not use the claymore, since up close its killing speed is not better and at a distance killing speed is worse. so on the balance its not more effective than a sniper. but a lot of the time a shotgun infil likes to leave the main group to up his score.

[suprarj]

Can someone give me a quick opinion? I have a BW1 and a Widow7... Which would you use? Lately I've been loving the widow7, it hits like a ton of bricks. On these forums, everyone is obsessed with BW's... I get it, I love the 3 shots, but really, the recoil after each shot isn't conduicive to getting 3 cloaked shots off. I'd rather have 1 super powerful shot. I think the 1 shot rifles make me a better sniper too.. Just an opinion, curious what you guys think.

[fixit6]

Only have BW at level one and there is no way I can do three shots in one cloak. Going to assume most people that do that have it at a high level. Still BW is a beast and seems to trump my level 7 widow. Recoil is really not that bad. Basically with two shots on single target, you will do more dmg than a reg widow. With 3 shots, you also get ability for multi kills. Shot for shot, yea reg widow is superior but keep in mind often times its over kill.

On topic, claymore X on infilitrator is pretty funny, Funny as in one shotting bronze brutes with it. Never tried it in higher difficulties, though. Stick with sniper guns and play it safe usually.

Modifié par fixit6, 09 avril 2012 - 05:00 .

[Cuddlezarro]

saw a claymore infiltrator yesterday (human) on gold he kicked ass

[Geimhreadh]

Not too big on shotguns myself (generally use sniper or pistol with SMG or AR for emergency backup and swarmer elimination), but as long as you're contributing and not spending half the match on the ground I don't care what setup you're using. Just because it's not the theoretically optimal build doesn't mean it isn't effective.

[fixit6]

Not fan of shotties in THIS game, though have to admit claymore is my new favorite if I do use one (which is not often).

Wish there was fast RoF semi auto with a 6 round clip like say....a saiga, nearest one is the Asari shottie but it feels like a cheap hunk of plastic. Heh.

Modifié par fixit6, 09 avril 2012 - 05:10 .

[Feneckus]

I've outscored many snipers with my Claymore infiltrator on Gold. 

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

If you can headshot with a Widow X with SI (all damage upgrades taken) you can take out a Geth prime on gold in 4 shots (maybe I've seen 3?).

Clamore X infi is about 4-5 in my experience.

I can take out a Geth Prime with 3 shots with my Claymore X + proxy mines.

[Rhome91]

eldrjth wrote...


 youre obviously being defensive here. I can outscore you easily noob. I had a claymore X for a long while. I can aim noob. not like a shotgun user. I topscore in almost every match. I can hit at those ranges im talking about with a unscoped carnifex. a shotgun cant headshot at those ranges. who are you fooling ffs. I dont even feel like continuing the conversasion if you dont understand the fact that a claymore doesnt head shot from where im talking about but a sniper does. if I get a headshot they should die, they dont. nothing else needs to be factored into the calculation. think about it for a sec. the spread youre getting is about 2 times the height of the enemy at that range. how the fk are you suppose to get a HS? 

fmd. this is why you should ban shotguns users. fking noobs

eldrjth wrote...


I
read your crap. but do you understand what im saying noob? if you score
a HS a standard trooper dies right? and through demonstration just now
it didnt. you are the dumbest fk ive meet in these forums. the pellet
spread is twice the height of the enemy and youre relying on blind fking
luck to hit them with one. their head only makes up a fraction of that
height. 

I have seen Salarian Shotgun Infiltrators using a Geth Plasma Shotgun X with Choke V and Damage V put my Black Widow Infiltrator to shame. I have seen the same person using a Claymore X with the exact same mods put me to shame a second time, the only things I was better at were reviving other dead team-mates, taking out Primes against the Geth, and Objective Completion (while he covered my ass). I cannot do the same myself, as I don't have enough faith in my skills on Gold to step out of my comfort zone of, "Hide and Snipe" gameplay - but I am DAMNED glad he is around.

Yes, shotguns may not be able to make the head go Kablooey like a sniper rifle can.
No, the Valiant cannot function the same as a Claymore in close range - it is foolish to claim otherwise. Same arguments for Valiant vs. Widow (longer exposure from cover, less damage per shot, less insta-kill ability, faster reload for the Valiant, more ammo for the Valiant) as Valiant vs. Claymore.
Yes, you are relying on blind luck to take out an enemy. Just as you're relying on blind luck by joining another person's game or playing a public match - because you might well end up with a crappy connection.
Calling somebody a noob instantly removes any amount of intelligence you might have been able to scrape together - I thought this was a well-known fact but apparently it ain't.

Personally, the only time I will not actually play with someone is if they're bringing a level one into Gold - I know for a fact that I'm not good enough to support that (barely skilled enough to keep myself and people who kinda-sorta have a clue as to what they are doing alive) and would rather not waste the other people's time.

[Rhaina]

eldrjth wrote...

Schneidend wrote...

Emphasis mine. This is a big part of it.

Some people want to fight mid-to-close range. The claymore salarian pumps out tons of damage in a different way. There's no objective way to verify which is "more efficient."

it does. but anyone skilled with a sniper would not use the claymore, since up close its killing speed is not better and at a distance killing speed is worse. so on the balance its not more effective than a sniper. but a lot of the time a shotgun infil likes to leave the main group to up his score.

Posting in a thread where OP is confused about how weapons act and players act.

[PirateT138]

Newbs. I always top the scoreboard with that combo. I essentially kill everything that comes from outside and only the stuff coming down the steps is generally a problem for the group.

Games don't go much smoother than that. The widow is very reliable but is stuck only taking down shields, then armor, shields, THEN health. I one shot through both on everything smaller than a prime. I drop those in 3-4 shots depending on what level of gear I'm using.

Edit: for clarity's sake I'm still taking about gold.

Modifié par PirateT138, 09 avril 2012 - 05:43 .

[Taritu]

Glad to hear the good news. Not on gold yet, but I find shotgun infiltrator much more fun than the sniper kind on silver. And, at least on silver, my numbers are just fine, and of course, I'm still the combat medic, etc..

[shadowkinz]

my friend does this and owns w/ it.. it's not a problem, the range on it is farther than u might imagine, especially with a smart choke


*edit* on gold

Modifié par shadowkinz, 09 avril 2012 - 06:16 .

[Feneckus]

PirateT138 wrote...

Newbs. I always top the scoreboard with that combo. I essentially kill everything that comes from outside and only the stuff coming down the steps is generally a problem for the group.

You talking about Firebase White ?

I usually do the opposite. I stay near those steps and I can single handedly kill everything coming that way, unless there's multiple primes or something, then I have to retreat. That makes it so much easier for the rest of the team. They only have to worry about one side.

[Machazareel]

Feneckus wrote...

PirateT138 wrote...

Newbs. I always top the scoreboard with that combo. I essentially kill everything that comes from outside and only the stuff coming down the steps is generally a problem for the group.

You talking about Firebase White ?

I usually do the opposite. I stay near those steps and I can single handedly kill everything coming that way, unless there's multiple primes or something, then I have to retreat. That makes it so much easier for the rest of the team. They only have to worry about one side.

If I'm not mistaken, I saw you do that yesterday or the day before. And yes, nothing made it down those stairs.

Modifié par Machazareel, 09 avril 2012 - 06:32 .

[KarmaZ]

"I always top the scoreboard blah blah blah"

Congratulations, though I hope you are aware that not everybody is competing with you.
Just because you are being serious and care so much about the scoreboard does not mean others are inferior to you so don't be so proud with yourself.

It also depends heavily on the environment your team is fighting at.
If the team is camping at the L counter room in Firebase White it makes perfect sense for a Claymore Infiltrator to outscore a BW.

But then if we are playing say Firebase Dagger or Firebase Ghost then it's whole different story.
I'd love to see how you can actually outscore a pro BW while you are busy running around the large battlefield.

As much as I love playing HI Claymore I have to say not every circumstances Claymore excels, and vice versa.

Oh and don't tell me you are those people who pop 5 rockets in wave 11 in order to sure the top place.
It's pathetic.

Modifié par KarmaZ, 09 avril 2012 - 06:43 .

[eldrjth]

who are you talking to? I dont use consumables in most matches. maybe a medi-gel and one rocket at most. its pointless when you get the sense your team will die at any moment. the only thing other than farming credits (unlocking boxes) thats amusing in this game is the scoreboard. why else do you coop?

[KarmaZ]

eldrjth wrote...

who are you talking to? I dont use consumables in most matches. maybe a medi-gel and one rocket at most. its pointless when you get the sense your team will die at any moment. the only thing other than farming credits (unlocking boxes) thats amusing in this game is the scoreboard. why else do you coop?

That's percisely my point, this is a coop game.

[Feneckus]

KarmaZ wrote...

"I always top the scoreboard blah blah blah"

I think you misunderstood. Nobody's trying to show off or anything.

Some people think a sniper rifle is ten times better than a claymore. Claymore has no range, way too heavy, blah blah blah, read the whole thread. If it's true, then how come it's so easy to outscore snipers with a Claymore ? 

Nobody's trying to say "Oh my god I am so good". We're just trying to say that the Claymore is as much of a beast than the Widow/Black Widow/Valiant is.

[Swagger J]

Of course a Shotgun isn't as good as a Sniper Rifle at what a Sniper Rifle does best: kill from long range. But if that isn't your playstyle, you can still have fun and be effective as an Infiltrator using a Shotgun, and in some cases a Shotgun IS better than a Sniper Rifle, it just requires different circumstances and a different playstyle.

ITT: People have fun playing a game different ways... Crazy!

[Khaydarin135]

I tried SI with claymore IX for a change. The thought of sniping with a claymore is rather amusing since you basically snipe the whole screen ^^. It does work though from close to mid range.

I'd say there is some good and some bad. At close range, you can one shot kill regardless of shield. At mid rang, you can kill a geth but you pretty much have to finish it with ED.

Now the bad, even at close range, my claymore IX seem to do much less damage than my widow VIII. Tried couple shot on a prime, it does kill a chunk of health but it is nowhere near a headshot from a widow. Also the crosshaire is rather big, it's hard to fit all the bullet in one body...

Outscoring other player with claymore  doesn't necessarely mean claymor > Sniper. Maybe the guy with a sniper just sucked...

Modifié par Khaydarin135, 09 avril 2012 - 07:27 .

[acrb101]

PluralAces wrote...

because you are going to run off by yourself trying to kill everything and then we have to run all the way across the map to heal you, thats why i dont play with krogans or any type of vanguards on gold, add salarian infiltration claymore to that list....

your recharge time for cloak also would be very long...so you will probably die faster than the rest of the group

So you're alienating an entire class, and an entire race from gold games? And for your reasoning, you use the phrase "probably will die faster"? 

Lighten up and give them (Vanguards, Krogan, shotgun infilitrators) a chance. There's bad players with every class. I personally play an Asari vanguard, and have teamed up with many Krogan who have played very well.

[RiflemanUK]

I'm pretty sure you can one shot pyros on gold, if you hit the tank it seems to get set on fire even though there isn't any armour damage.

[eldrjth]

Khaydarin135,
you have 40% added sniper dmg with cloak, thats apparently multiplied with everything else. you also have inherent armour penetration on top of this.

Modifié par eldrjth, 09 avril 2012 - 07:34 .

[KarmaZ]

Feneckus wrote...

KarmaZ wrote...

"I always top the scoreboard blah blah blah"

I think you misunderstood. Nobody's trying to show off or anything.

Some people think a sniper rifle is ten times better than a claymore. Claymore has no range, way too heavy, blah blah blah, read the whole thread. If it's true, then how come it's so easy to outscore snipers with a Claymore ? 

Nobody's trying to say "Oh my god I am so good". We're just trying to say that the Claymore is as much of a beast than the Widow/Black Widow/Valiant is.

Agreed, cloaked Claymore shot can one shot pretty much everything including phantoms, except the bigger sized enemies like Atlas.

With consistant reload cancelling Claymore is one hell of a weapon.

[Feneckus]

Khaydarin135 wrote...

Now the bad, even at close range, my claymore IX seem to do much less damage than my widow VIII. Tried couple shot on a prime, it does kill a chunk of health but it is nowhere near a headshot from a widow. Also the crosshaire is rather big, it's hard to fit all the bullet in one body...

With a Claymore X + AP mod + Shotgun Ramp III + Incendiary Ammo III you can kill primes with 3 shots if you're close enough.