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[Khaydarin135]

Feneckus wrote...

Khaydarin135 wrote...

Now the bad, even at close range, my claymore IX seem to do much less damage than my widow VIII. Tried couple shot on a prime, it does kill a chunk of health but it is nowhere near a headshot from a widow. Also the crosshaire is rather big, it's hard to fit all the bullet in one body...

With a Claymore X + AP mod + Shotgun Ramp III + Incendiary Ammo III you can kill primes with 3 shots if you're close enough.

I had exactly this configuration except for the claymore X. (Mine is only IX). It's really far from 3 shots and I made sure that none of the crosshair circle was outside the prime. 

(You re talking about kiling a prime in gold, correct?)

Modifié par Khaydarin135, 09 avril 2012 - 07:39 .

[Rhome91]

Khaydarin135 wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Khaydarin135 wrote...

Now the bad, even at close range, my claymore IX seem to do much less damage than my widow VIII. Tried couple shot on a prime, it does kill a chunk of health but it is nowhere near a headshot from a widow. Also the crosshaire is rather big, it's hard to fit all the bullet in one body...

With a Claymore X + AP mod + Shotgun Ramp III + Incendiary Ammo III you can kill primes with 3 shots if you're close enough.

I had exactly this configuration except for the claymore X. (Mine is only IX). It's really far from 3 shots and I made sure that none of the crosshair circle was outside the prime. 

(You re talking about kiling a prime in gold, correct?)

Perhaps he used the Salarian Infiltrator specced for damage via Passive - you do the same? Cloak maximize damage? If Salarian, Energy Drain specced for damage and shield restore?

I suspect that would be the case, though I can't imagine how. I have yet to see a Geth go down with less than four cloaked Widow shots to the noggin using the above method (and snipers can get an extra boost to damage from Infiltrator Cloak).

[Feneckus]

Khaydarin135 wrote...

I had exactly this configuration except for the claymore X. (Mine is only IX). It's really far from 3 shots and I made sure that none of the crosshair circle was outside the prime. 

(You re talking about kiling a prime in gold, correct?)

Yes I am. You've got to use a proxy mine before each shot though.

[JGDD]

Khaydarin135 wrote...

I tried SI with claymore IX for a change. The thought of sniping with a claymore is rather amusing since you basically snipe the whole screen ^^. It does work though from close to mid range.

I'd say there is some good and some bad. At close range, you can one shot kill regardless of shield. At mid rang, you can kill a geth but you pretty much have to finish it with ED.

Now the bad, even at close range, my claymore IX seem to do much less damage than my widow VIII. Tried couple shot on a prime, it does kill a chunk of health but it is nowhere near a headshot from a widow. Also the crosshaire is rather big, it's hard to fit all the bullet in one body...

Outscoring other player with claymore  doesn't necessarely mean claymor > Sniper. Maybe the guy with a sniper just sucked...

I find I have better luck scoring more hits in the head area if I aim at the chin/neck/upper chest. Using a Claymore, of course. You can pop a primes head if they are roughly at half strength on the remaining armor. Though it is a very in-your-face tactic and you need to have B.O.S. and not flinch.

[Ispano]

eldrjth wrote...


I read your crap. but do you understand what im saying noob? if you score a HS a standard trooper dies right? and through demonstration just now it didnt. you are the dumbest fk ive meet in these forums. the pellet spread is twice the height of the enemy and youre relying on blind fking luck to hit them with one. their head only makes up a fraction of that height. 

No, that's not quite correct. It's more like this. "If you score a HS *that does enough damage* a standard tropper dies* Hitting an unshielded target in the head does not mean an automatic kill, the damage still has to be enough to actually kill them. Most sniper rifles can do enough damage with the headshot bonus obviosuly, but not everything does. IE what they are saying about pellets.

[Grimy Bunyip]

someone told me claymore gets a 2x damage buff within 4 meters, is this true?
seems odd to me.

[Rhome91]

Ispano wrote...

eldrjth wrote...


I read your crap. but do you understand what im saying noob? if you score a HS a standard trooper dies right? and through demonstration just now it didnt. you are the dumbest fk ive meet in these forums. the pellet spread is twice the height of the enemy and youre relying on blind fking luck to hit them with one. their head only makes up a fraction of that height. 

No, that's not quite correct. It's more like this. "If you score a HS *that does enough damage* a standard tropper dies* Hitting an unshielded target in the head does not mean an automatic kill, the damage still has to be enough to actually kill them. Most sniper rifles can do enough damage with the headshot bonus obviosuly, but not everything does. IE what they are saying about pellets.

In a similar vein, I was using my Raptor VII Sniper rifle with Extended Barrel V and Penetration V on my damage-specc'd Krogan Sentinel on Silver the other day (Experimenting to find my own optimal weapons). I was pumping rounds from it into the face of a Cannibal.

Know what happened? The head went "kaboom" and the Cannibal kept firing. I was the host, so I don't think it was lag. So, apparently, Cannibals at least can function without a head. Haven't tested on Geth or Cerberus yet.

[eldrjth]

A single pellet from a cloak claymore shot is enough to kill a geth trooper (even if that is the only pellet that hit) but not really good enough to verify you have scored a head shot (since you couldve landed a few on the torso). what I was suggesting was he make a video showing an infil shooting units from the sniper perch or the back platform with the claymore with the ease I do with the valiant. I argue that even with cloak + HS attempt, he will not kill troopers consistently thus, hes not getting headshots. if he downs the trooper in his second attempted HS he is merely whittling the health of the enemies down with ED and pellets spray from previous HS attempts. in any case hes not doing the same dmg I do from a valiant or any other sniper with his claymore cause hes not scoring headshots. can he ever kill 3 troopers in one reload? never. his single target dps at pretty much any range is worse than mine too.  

Modifié par eldrjth, 09 avril 2012 - 08:02 .

[Cloaking_Thane]

Why are you so vehemently against C SG Infi's again?

You've done nothing but moan the entire thread

[BooPi]

I remember in Battlefield BC 2, with the right bonuses (ex. an 870ms with the damage one and slugs), a shotgun was more accurate, did better damage, shot faster, and had faster projectiles (with less ballistic drop) than all of the sniper rifles. As long as you learned to do without a scope, it was a better sniper rifle than a sniper rifle, and had none of the CQC drawbacks.

This is like that.

Modifié par BooPi, 09 avril 2012 - 08:05 .

[OurKenyanPrez]

eldrjth wrote...
you leave the main group and try to gun down stuff that wouldve died to sniper fire.
Behavioral assumption
you dont cover your teams blind spots and dont deal dmg at range
Another behavioral assumption and a clear lack of game knowledge.  I use the Claymore on my Turian Sentinel (for funzies) with a Smart Choke and Shredder Mod.  Overload + one shot from Claymore will yield kills on all unarmored, non-elite mobs, at what is clearly the average range the party engages a mob at.  I can do that as fast as the weapon reloads.  With a Salarian Infiltrator, this would be way deadlier.
. you also tend to die in isolated locations that are hard to reach and become swarmed with enemies. you also wont outscore a decent sniper and are severely hindered against some units.
Again, assumption.

Honestly, its not as ideal as a Widow but if your Claymore is substantially higher level I'd say its pretty effin good.  

[eldrjth]

Arkley wrote...
Lastly, if you doubt the effective range of the Claymore or GPS, you can try a simple experiment for yourself; equip one (with a choke, if Claymore) and start up a Gold game on Firebase Dagger. Any enemy will do. Go to the central room, the sniper perch. You know the two spawn points opposite the perch, that snipers love to shoot at? Wait for enemies to spawn, cloak, and fire a shot at the group. You'll most likely kill any of them that are in your reticule, unless they have shields. In which case, shield drain first.
...
 Lastly, yes, it is possible to reliably get headshots at good ranges. Again; learn how these weapons work. Equip the choke mod first, and hell, just fire some shots at a few walls at varying ranges. It gets very easy to predict where the buckshot is going to land with each shot. You won't be able to stick every pellet fired on the enemy's head, obviously - you'll be lucky if every pellet hits them - but with practice you can easily learn how to aim, at what ranges and angles, to give yourself the best damage outut. ...

pretty much talking crap here. I tried the claymore and no it doesnt snipe good from the location he said it does. its better than how you think a shotgun would perform but its laughably inconsistent compared to the valiant. fk I probably clear mobs twice as quick as him from there. hes trying to tell me how to fking aim too.. with a fking shotgun.

Modifié par eldrjth, 09 avril 2012 - 08:19 .

[Feneckus]

eldrjth wrote...

A single pellet from a cloak claymore shot is enough to kill a geth trooper (even if that is the only pellet that hit) but not really good enough to verify you have scored a head shot (since you couldve landed a few on the torso). what I was suggesting was he make a video showing an infil shooting units from the sniper perch or the back platform with the claymore with the ease I do with the valiant.

So a sniper rifle has a longer range than a shotgun ? No **** ! Who would have thought ?

Thank you for enlightning us. You're such a genius. We are not worthy. 

[eldrjth]

^ no **** . tell arkley that. fk

[ReflectedRed]

Dasher1010 wrote...

I'm a fan. Just don't be an AR/SMG infiltrator. Those builds are horrible.

I have actually been playing with mattock lately and I have to tell you, its not bad at all. I will let you know when someone outplays me. Within 2 days none has been succesful, not even other SI players with sniper rifles.

[Elecbender]

Khaydarin135 wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Khaydarin135 wrote...

Now the bad, even at close range, my claymore IX seem to do much less damage than my widow VIII. Tried couple shot on a prime, it does kill a chunk of health but it is nowhere near a headshot from a widow. Also the crosshaire is rather big, it's hard to fit all the bullet in one body...

With a Claymore X + AP mod + Shotgun Ramp III + Incendiary Ammo III you can kill primes with 3 shots if you're close enough.

I had exactly this configuration except for the claymore X. (Mine is only IX). It's really far from 3 shots and I made sure that none of the crosshair circle was outside the prime. 

(You re talking about kiling a prime in gold, correct?)

Its the design of the Geth's head that makes Claymore headshots awkward.

Its rare if all 8 Claymore pellets hit a Geth's head unless you shoot at its head from its side.  You have to literally be touching the Prime in order to deal full damage.

[HellsinGas]

To be honest.
I find humand infiltrator with claymore x and carni x , to be most fun class to play on gold if you know what youre doing.
Whenever i think i`ll need to carry team trough gold i usualy take bw, but whenever i wana have loads of fun and still do very well i rock human infi with claymore and carni.
Was able to gold reapers with cqc human infi, even if it takes longer than with sniper rifle, its so much more fun.

[Wheatax]

HellsinGas wrote...
To be honest.
I find human infiltrator with claymore x and carni x , to be most fun class to play on gold if you know what youre doing.
Whenever i think i`ll need to carry team trough gold i usualy take bw, but whenever i wana have loads of fun and still do very well i rock human infi with claymore and carni.
Was able to gold reapers with cqc human infi, even if it takes longer than with sniper rifle, its so much more fun.

^This. Infiltrator claymore build is a fun build. Before this I rarely use shotguns and mostly use snipers on infiltrator. Then a friend of me taught me a few things about how to make the most of that class and that shotgun. With smart choke+AP, it basically tightens up the pellets and makes your claymore to be able to hit at short to medium range. With the debuff that cryo offers, it makes enemies weaker and able to be killed by one shot cloak (such as engineers/centurions/etc. phantoms can be reduced to 1 or 2 health bar with it provided that its a headshot).

Both shotgun and sniper infiltrators have their pros and cons. Sniper excels at long range distance, and the shotgun build excels at short to medium range distance. But for me personally, I find the shotgun build to be much more fun.

Now I finally have a purpose to use all those shotgun rail amps that I have. I think I haven't touch the black widow on my salarian infiltrator for a very long time. 

Modifié par Drotter, 09 avril 2012 - 10:05 .

[kane3977]

eldrjth wrote...

you leave the main group and try to gun down stuff that wouldve died to sniper fire. you dont cover your teams blind spots and dont deal dmg at range. you also tend to die in isolated locations that are hard to reach and become swarmed with enemies. you also wont outscore a decent sniper and are severely hindered against some units.

Wrong. Claymore infiltrator absolutely does not have to be played that way. I always stick with the group and can 1-shot, 2-shot at most, enemies from the same range that I would generally be sniping from. With level 5 smart choke and decent aim, the range on the claymore is WAY more than you realize.

[Rhaina]

eldrjth wrote...
his single target dps at pretty much any range is worse than mine too.  

Ya, you should have left this part out.

[A Wild Snorlax]

I''ve 3 shotted primes with a claymore x on gold. That being said I was using a rail amp 3 and barrel 5. And it has to be close range headshots, and you should probably be using the choke mod to maximize accuracy. Salarian claymore infiltrator is amazing though, especially against geth. You can one shot anything if you drain first except primes. it's really good against the other factions too, allthough human might be better against reapers and phantoms are kinda tricky but not any harder than they are with a sniper so.

It's a really good setup and it's also a lot more fun than camping back with a sniper. Actually if you have the smart choke you can still camp back quite a bit as the range becomes pretty ridiculous. If you kick a guy playing inf with a high level claymore you are probably clueless.

Modifié par A Wild Snorlax, 09 avril 2012 - 10:20 .

[OblivionDawn]

Cloaky Claymores are where its at.

But the more ignorant people are less likely to kick you if you're sporting a GPS.

[A Wild Snorlax]

scyphozoa wrote...

Yup, I was one of those people who turned their nose up at shotgun infiltrators. Then I had one on my team and he outscored us all by 20k points in gold. It can be done well and better than a sniper, it just isn't common. I have been trying to get good at the claymore infiltrator since then

The trick is to use the smart choke and the barrel mods, the smart choke 5 makes the claymore 100% better imo, it gets pretty ridiculous range. If you cloak and energy drain(even if they don't have shields to stun them in place) before every shot you will pretty much one shot anything if you aim for chest/neck area. Pyros/hunters/phantoms you need to aim for the head area but if you do you'll one shot those too.

Claymore infiltrator is amazing, I don't think i've ever had a game with it on gold where I got less than 100k points. My highest score ever was with a black widow but whenever I use the claymore I always do consistently do well. It's really good at killing fast and it's also really easy to stay alive with when you get used to it. It's also really good for soloing if your teammates get downed.

[sajkhoe]

kane3977 wrote...

eldrjth wrote...

you leave the main group and try to gun down stuff that wouldve died to sniper fire. you dont cover your teams blind spots and dont deal dmg at range. you also tend to die in isolated locations that are hard to reach and become swarmed with enemies. you also wont outscore a decent sniper and are severely hindered against some units.

Wrong. Claymore infiltrator absolutely does not have to be played that way. I always stick with the group and can 1-shot, 2-shot at most, enemies from the same range that I would generally be sniping from. With level 5 smart choke and decent aim, the range on the claymore is WAY more than you realize.

QFT, thats the reason I switched to claymore from widow, I can 1 shot hunters with it aswell, even phantoms. ofc with ED.

And the score I get.. not gonna brag but when you can basically 1shot everything the killfeed keeps saying my name.