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[Aiyie]

Atmospeer wrote...

It's funny how nobody seems to have an issue with any of the science in this game, right up until the end of course.

suspension of disbelief can go a long way when everything in the story sticks together as a coherent whole.

but... the ending is just so disconnected from the rest of the story that things like synthesis just can't be accepted... its just too dam far out there with nothing else in the story being able to prop it up.

[TheArcader]

Icinix wrote...

Shepard jumped. Into a beam. Of Energy. A random Ghost Child Shepard just met told him to jump into.

I ran into a talking tree today, it was taking a stroll down the road. Told me I would create a new type of life throughout the universe if I jumped in front of this bus.

Did the tree at least give you the option to control all the trees or destroy them all? 

I think it all boils down to what was the intent of the starchild and what did his programming allow?

Could he lie? Since we didn't get a suprise ending on synthesis and as far as we can tell control and destroy did what was expected, I don't think he did lie. 

The starchild doesn't seem to have a self-survival instinct since he offers up the destroy option. He doesn't have a control-freak complex or he would not have given the control option. He mentioned that the crucible offered up a new option if you war status was high enough, which wasn't one of the original options and maybe was meant to be the ultimate solution the crucible was to deliver. Harmony between organic and synthetic life by making them more similar than different.

However, at the time the choices are presented, we do not have the hind-sight available to us after we make the choice. All options could have been fatal to Shepard or organic life in the ME universe, so you go with what you think your Shepard would do, or you go with your gut based on the limited information presented.

I do think they should have offered the 'do nothing' option, which should have shown the reaper annihilation/harvesting of life on Earth and the other worlds, with the end result being new reaper ships and the citadel back to its old place, waiting for the next sapient life form to discover it.

[kevchy]

Nanomachines.

[Jas2250]

Forgive me if this sounds stupid... But through out all the games Reapers were always portrayed as being beyond our comprehension and their technology vastly superior any of ours.

We found out that they were the creators of the Citadel and all the Mass relays. We've seen their ability to alter organics through out all the games (Keepers, Collectors, husks and all other reaper foot soldiers). TIM showed us through his experiments that you don't even have to use the Indoctrination Impaler to make these changes occur in organics.

Judging from the amount of Reapers there are I would assume that there have been quiet a few cycles. I'm sure that they've could have advanced their technology over this vast amount of time. Plus you add the tech of organic beings over the last couple of cycles to the citadel. I could logically see enough technological advancement to be able to alter biological matter with a signal.

Is it a good ending? Meh I liked it. Is it out of the realm of possibilities? No, hell 50 years ago if you would have said, "Computers will one day be small enough to fit on a desk," you would have been laughed at. Saying it doesn't fit into science is just a bad argument.

[Tven0]

So it turns out...

[Poison_Berrie]

Master Che wrote...

Synthesis has plausible scientific explanations (nanoscience and genetic modifications).

No. Nanoscience and genetic modification do not work that way. Not even for the Reapers. 
They preform surgical, nano-machinery injection, genetic modification or drug administration for their cybernetic thrall construction.

Master Che wrote...

Who said laser?  No where was it called a laser in the game? Why not a charged plasma beam that could carry charged nanobites that disperse in the magentosphere or atmosphere and spread like a huge global dust storm?

Okay, first plasma as behaving as a liquid gas will disperse very quickly. Plasma weapons work by inducing the plasma at the target.
Also why aren't the nanites destroyed by the heat of the plasma.

Jas2250 wrote...
 
Judging from the amount of Reapers there are I would assume that there have been quiet a few cycles. I'm sure that they've could have advanced their technology over this vast amount of time. Plus you add the tech of organic beings over the last couple of cycles to the citadel. I could logically see enough technological advancement to be able to alter biological matter with a signal.

 
But their technology show no indication of that.
Why are husk still created by injecting the nanites or through surgery and what other methods the Reapers use, when they could just send out that signal to do it. (By the way missed oppertunity not showing some sort of Reaper processing plant/reaper)
Despite being more advanced the Reaper technology have been shown to clearly adhere to the physics of the Mass Effect universe.

Modifié par Poison_Berrie, 10 avril 2012 - 07:18 .

[StillOverrated]

Artistic integrity makes it happen.

[TheJediSaint]

[Arondell]

Laurcus wrote...

Arondell wrote...


I think your missing the point.  If we were to run into a civilization that had technology a thousand years more advanced then ours they would likely have access to equipment in whatever form that could do stuff that might seem flatly impossible to us.   You might conceptually be able to understand that its simply more advanced technology but for practical purposes it might as well be magic.  Hence it is indistinguishable.

That would simply represent a paradigm shift, revolutionary science. As such, it would rewrite our understanding of the laws of physics. That means what the technology achieves was always possible, we were just too stupid to figure it out.

If however, our assumptions about what is and is not possible is correct, then it is easy to see the limitations of technology.

It does not matter if technology continues to advance for the next 999 Ducentillion years, it will never be able to break the laws of physics. At best it can show us how our understanding of some concepts are flawed. Magic can literally do the impossible, hence it is NOT indistinguishable from technology.

Also, that line of reasoning is entirely flawed. Just because you don't understand someting doesn't mean it runs on magic. For practical purposes, for the average user, a computer may as well be indistinguishable from magic. Hell, I bet most people in this thread don't even know how a keyboard works, or what machine code, ASCII, and unicode even are. "My keyboard is magic because I'm ignorant!!!"

This is the first time I've ever seen anybody read that perfectly reasonable observation and declare it totally false.

Modifié par Arondell, 10 avril 2012 - 08:53 .

[Pottumuusi]

I will gladly tell you if I ever come across this divine knowledge.

[Dantexr3]

Because Anderson was born in London and Tali is racist.

Modifié par Dantexr3, 10 avril 2012 - 08:54 .

[kalikilic]

well, how this occurred is by Bioware: a division of EA trolling us. :-D very simple. Shepard jumps into the light, dematerialises, his energy is absorbed into the light, which then has a combustion-like effect, or maybe a magnifying effect...and then all the bioware staff stands up and sings this.