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I honestly am stunned that someone tried to argue the merits of telekinesis! WOW!


Now you are just blatantly making crap up.

If you want to argue with a straw man, go ahead.

Obviously it's the only thing you are intelligent enough to converse with on an equal level..

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Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Master Che wrote...

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We want internal consistency.

It wouldn't be science fiction if it were consistent with reality.


The use of the term Space Magic to pick on this one part of the fiction is a bit hypocritical when one accepts other aspects of the fiction that is not consistent with reality.  Why? Because the critique of Space Magic is levied because of it's inconsistency with reality (i.e., how is that possible?).  It would be best to use another term.


Stop putting words in our mouths, unless you are really that ignorant of why we hate this absurdity.

Space magic is specifically referring to the totally unexplained "magical" properties of Spacebrat.  If it had some sort of explanation, we would probably still say it was ridiculous.  But as is, it is unexplained and totally absurd.

Hence, magic.


I didn't.  I'm just paraphrasing what you're saying.

What makes space brats magic any less acceptable than all the rest of the space magic hurrled at us?  Objectively speaking, of course?

FYI: I find that people tend to get emotional, defensive and use inflamatory language when they cannot articulate themselves in a clear and concise manner or explain why they believe or do certain things.


You are not paraphrasing.  You are oversimplifying what people are saying and ignoring what they actually said.

Either because you are a troll, or you lack the cognitive ability to understand their real point.


To simplify means to take something that's there and reduce it, not fabricate it. 

Space Magic is all over ME.  So the term lacks meaning when using it to point out one piece of the fiction that isn't agreeable.

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Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Master Che wrote...

I honestly am stunned that someone tried to argue the merits of telekinesis! WOW!


Now you are just blatantly making crap up.

If you want to argue with a straw man, go ahead.

Obviously it's the only thing you are intelligent enough to converse with on an equal level..


You said it, not me.

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Master Che wrote...

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Fruit of the Doom wrote...


We want internal consistency.

It wouldn't be science fiction if it were consistent with reality.


The use of the term Space Magic to pick on this one part of the fiction is a bit hypocritical when one accepts other aspects of the fiction that is not consistent with reality.  Why? Because the critique of Space Magic is levied because of it's inconsistency with reality (i.e., how is that possible?).  It would be best to use another term.


Stop putting words in our mouths, unless you are really that ignorant of why we hate this absurdity.

Space magic is specifically referring to the totally unexplained "magical" properties of Spacebrat.  If it had some sort of explanation, we would probably still say it was ridiculous.  But as is, it is unexplained and totally absurd.

Hence, magic.


I didn't.  I'm just paraphrasing what you're saying.

What makes space brats magic any less acceptable than all the rest of the space magic hurrled at us?  Objectively speaking, of course?

FYI: I find that people tend to get emotional, defensive and use inflamatory language when they cannot articulate themselves in a clear and concise manner or explain why they believe or do certain things.


You are not paraphrasing.  You are oversimplifying what people are saying and ignoring what they actually said.

Either because you are a troll, or you lack the cognitive ability to understand their real point.


To simplify means to take something that's there and reduce it, not fabricate it. 

Space Magic is all over ME.  So the term lacks meaning when using it to point out one piece of the fiction that isn't agreeable.


You're wrong.

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All of the "science" in the ME universe is based on the supposition that "there exists an element called element zero, or eezo, which, when an electric current is passed through it, will either decrease or increase mass, depending on the charge of the current". This is the basis of the other technologies which may seem like "magic" in the ME universe, and so any technology that can be explained in terms of either eezo or the Mass Effect is internally consistent with the science of the ingame universe. However, as it stands now, the result of firing the CrucibleCitadelCatalyst l4z0r is not.

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Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Master Che wrote...

I honestly am stunned that someone tried to argue the merits of telekinesis! WOW!


Now you are just blatantly making crap up.

If you want to argue with a straw man, go ahead.

Obviously it's the only thing you are intelligent enough to converse with on an equal level..



You seem upset.  Maybe you take this a little too seriously?

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Rogue Unit wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Fruit of the Doom wrote...


We want internal consistency.

It wouldn't be science fiction if it were consistent with reality.


The use of the term Space Magic to pick on this one part of the fiction is a bit hypocritical when one accepts other aspects of the fiction that is not consistent with reality.  Why? Because the critique of Space Magic is levied because of it's inconsistency with reality (i.e., how is that possible?).  It would be best to use another term.


Stop putting words in our mouths, unless you are really that ignorant of why we hate this absurdity.

Space magic is specifically referring to the totally unexplained "magical" properties of Spacebrat.  If it had some sort of explanation, we would probably still say it was ridiculous.  But as is, it is unexplained and totally absurd.

Hence, magic.


I didn't.  I'm just paraphrasing what you're saying.

What makes space brats magic any less acceptable than all the rest of the space magic hurrled at us?  Objectively speaking, of course?

FYI: I find that people tend to get emotional, defensive and use inflamatory language when they cannot articulate themselves in a clear and concise manner or explain why they believe or do certain things.


You are not paraphrasing.  You are oversimplifying what people are saying and ignoring what they actually said.

Either because you are a troll, or you lack the cognitive ability to understand their real point.


To simplify means to take something that's there and reduce it, not fabricate it. 

Space Magic is all over ME.  So the term lacks meaning when using it to point out one piece of the fiction that isn't agreeable.


You're wrong.


I'm not.

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Master Che wrote...

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There is a difference between biotics (which are glossed over with a codex entry that at least tries to explain it with science mumbo jumbo and eezo) and synthetics having DNA. One you can look past, one makes you question everything that has to do with it.


So one piece of BS sounds better than the other because of mumbo jumbo and eezo (a made up thing)? LOL


Welcome to every science fiction story/movie ever told?

Take Star Wars and "The Force", for example.  Early on we're shown that you can use the Force to choke people.  You can also use the Force to make stupid Stormtroopers do stupid things (or not do stupid things).  And you can use the Force to sense people dying in a different galaxy or whatever (i.e. Alderaan).   That's pretty space magicky.  But the boundaries are set in the Star Wars universe.  You can push the boundaries a little bit but if you go too far, even space magic becomes "huh?"

Still believable:
You can choke people --> You can lift heavy things and throw them.
You can influence people --> You can read emotions/minds.

Pushing it for coolness:
You can choke people --> You can shoot lightning from your fingertips.  (????)
You can lift heavy things and throw them --> You can crash an Imperial Star Destroyer from ground. 

Not even the Force could explain it space-magic:
You can use the force emit lightning from your fingertips that turns humans into wookies.

Modifié par jumpingkaede, 09 avril 2012 - 04:38 .


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Riion wrote...

All of the "science" in the ME universe is based on the supposition that "there exists an element called element zero, or eezo, which, when an electric current is passed through it, will either decrease or increase mass, depending on the charge of the current". This is the basis of the other technologies which may seem like "magic" in the ME universe, and so any technology that can be explained in terms of either eezo or the Mass Effect is internally consistent with the science of the ingame universe. However, as it stands now, the result of firing the CrucibleCitadelCatalyst l4z0r is not.


Explain to me the science behind the reconstruction of shepard.

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Master Che wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Fruit of the Doom wrote...


We want internal consistency.

It wouldn't be science fiction if it were consistent with reality.


The use of the term Space Magic to pick on this one part of the fiction is a bit hypocritical when one accepts other aspects of the fiction that is not consistent with reality.  Why? Because the critique of Space Magic is levied because of it's inconsistency with reality (i.e., how is that possible?).  It would be best to use another term.


Stop putting words in our mouths, unless you are really that ignorant of why we hate this absurdity.

Space magic is specifically referring to the totally unexplained "magical" properties of Spacebrat.  If it had some sort of explanation, we would probably still say it was ridiculous.  But as is, it is unexplained and totally absurd.

Hence, magic.


I didn't.  I'm just paraphrasing what you're saying.

What makes space brats magic any less acceptable than all the rest of the space magic hurrled at us?  Objectively speaking, of course?

FYI: I find that people tend to get emotional, defensive and use inflamatory language when they cannot articulate themselves in a clear and concise manner or explain why they believe or do certain things.


You are not paraphrasing.  You are oversimplifying what people are saying and ignoring what they actually said.

Either because you are a troll, or you lack the cognitive ability to understand their real point.


To simplify means to take something that's there and reduce it, not fabricate it. 

Space Magic is all over ME.  So the term lacks meaning when using it to point out one piece of the fiction that isn't agreeable.


You're wrong.


I'm not.


You're in denial. It's okay, I went through that when I saw the blantant space magic in ME3's ending.

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Laurencio wrote...

Explain to me the science behind the reconstruction of shepard.


What?  That's the least far-fetched thing in Mass Effect.

Your real question should be to explain to you the science of someone surviving atmospheric re-entry in a spacesuit.

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It doesn't make any sense. Why does Shepard need to jump into the beam of light to start the system?

One would think the system could just start on its own or ANYTHING that has some cybernetic implants could jump start the process.

Just another form of the forced ending and terrible, terrible writing that was thrown to us at the very end.

The entire ending defies any logic the series hoped to stand on.

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Riion wrote...

All of the "science" in the ME universe is based on the supposition that "there exists an element called element zero, or eezo, which, when an electric current is passed through it, will either decrease or increase mass, depending on the charge of the current". This is the basis of the other technologies which may seem like "magic" in the ME universe, and so any technology that can be explained in terms of either eezo or the Mass Effect is internally consistent with the science of the ingame universe. However, as it stands now, the result of firing the CrucibleCitadelCatalyst l4z0r is not.


If you take sythesis at face value, maybe.  However, the whole geth helping quarians with their immune system systems a little far fetched.  It reminds me of when I was in college and some girl who knew NOTHING about computers was worried for her health when she heard about computer viruses. I KID YOU NOT! Yes, it was a major university in the midwest (Big 10).  Obviously, her major was not in computer science. LOL. 

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Rogue Unit wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Fruit of the Doom wrote...


We want internal consistency.

It wouldn't be science fiction if it were consistent with reality.


The use of the term Space Magic to pick on this one part of the fiction is a bit hypocritical when one accepts other aspects of the fiction that is not consistent with reality.  Why? Because the critique of Space Magic is levied because of it's inconsistency with reality (i.e., how is that possible?).  It would be best to use another term.


Stop putting words in our mouths, unless you are really that ignorant of why we hate this absurdity.

Space magic is specifically referring to the totally unexplained "magical" properties of Spacebrat.  If it had some sort of explanation, we would probably still say it was ridiculous.  But as is, it is unexplained and totally absurd.

Hence, magic.


I didn't.  I'm just paraphrasing what you're saying.

What makes space brats magic any less acceptable than all the rest of the space magic hurrled at us?  Objectively speaking, of course?

FYI: I find that people tend to get emotional, defensive and use inflamatory language when they cannot articulate themselves in a clear and concise manner or explain why they believe or do certain things.


You are not paraphrasing.  You are oversimplifying what people are saying and ignoring what they actually said.

Either because you are a troll, or you lack the cognitive ability to understand their real point.


To simplify means to take something that's there and reduce it, not fabricate it. 

Space Magic is all over ME.  So the term lacks meaning when using it to point out one piece of the fiction that isn't agreeable.


You're wrong.


I'm not.


You're in denial. It's okay, I went through that when I saw the blantant space magic in ME3's ending.


Elaborate on how I'm wrong.  Not chest pounding.  I just would like a non-insult ladden retort.

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It represents how the series has "jumped the shark"

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jumpingkaede wrote...

Laurencio wrote...

Explain to me the science behind the reconstruction of shepard.


What?  That's the least far-fetched thing in Mass Effect.

Your real question should be to explain to you the science of someone surviving atmospheric re-entry in a spacesuit.


I'm more interested in how they fixed his brain.

When they introduced the possibility that Shepard was actually a VI who though he was Shepard, I was excited.

Then they just dropped it and never addressed the issue further.

Modifié par Fruit of the Doom, 09 avril 2012 - 04:42 .


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Laurencio wrote...

Riion wrote...

All of the "science" in the ME universe is based on the supposition that "there exists an element called element zero, or eezo, which, when an electric current is passed through it, will either decrease or increase mass, depending on the charge of the current". This is the basis of the other technologies which may seem like "magic" in the ME universe, and so any technology that can be explained in terms of either eezo or the Mass Effect is internally consistent with the science of the ingame universe. However, as it stands now, the result of firing the CrucibleCitadelCatalyst l4z0r is not.


Explain to me the science behind the reconstruction of shepard.


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:alien::wizard: and ART.
End Of Line. 

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Fruit of the Doom wrote...

jumpingkaede wrote...

Laurencio wrote...

Explain to me the science behind the reconstruction of shepard.


What?  That's the least far-fetched thing in Mass Effect.

Your real question should be to explain to you the science of someone surviving atmospheric re-entry in a spacesuit.


I'm more interested in how they fixed his brain.

When they introduced the possibility that Shepard was actually a VI who though he was Shepard, I was excited.

Then they just dropped it and never addressed the issue further.

Ergo, we are left with...

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Modifié par Master Che, 09 avril 2012 - 04:43 .


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When they introduced the possibility that Shepard was actually a VI who though he was Shepard, I was excited.


I have to admit there was a massiv grin on my face when he said that, though I am ultimately happy that they did not elaborate on it

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jumpingkaede wrote...

Laurencio wrote...

Explain to me the science behind the reconstruction of shepard.


What?  That's the least far-fetched thing in Mass Effect.

Your real question should be to explain to you the science of someone surviving atmospheric re-entry in a spacesuit.



I remember humpty dumpty.  ME2 ISN'T possible! LOL

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pablosplinter wrote...


When they introduced the possibility that Shepard was actually a VI who though he was Shepard, I was excited.


I have to admit there was a massiv grin on my face when he said that, though I am ultimately happy that they did not elaborate on it


That scene on the Cerberus base gave me a chill!  The mere implication that he was, in fact, just a sentient machine would have been a great twist.

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Fruit of the Doom wrote...


Actually, I think I thought of an alternate explanation to Space Magic...

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Enchantment!

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Laurencio wrote...

Riion wrote...

All of the "science" in the ME universe is based on the supposition that "there exists an element called element zero, or eezo, which, when an electric current is passed through it, will either decrease or increase mass, depending on the charge of the current". This is the basis of the other technologies which may seem like "magic" in the ME universe, and so any technology that can be explained in terms of either eezo or the Mass Effect is internally consistent with the science of the ingame universe. However, as it stands now, the result of firing the CrucibleCitadelCatalyst l4z0r is not.


Explain to me the science behind the reconstruction of shepard.


Armor systems could be equipped with microframe computers which utilise a substance (e.g. medigel) to seal leaks in the suit. As long as this occurs within a minute, give or take thirty seconds, then there is a chance of either survival or rescuscitation. 

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Nyila wrote...

Fruit of the Doom wrote...


Actually, I think I thought of an alternate explanation to Space Magic...

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Enchantment!


Enchantment?