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[Iwillbeback]

He isn't even partly synthetic so.....

[jumpingkaede]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

jumpingkaede wrote...

Laurencio wrote...

Explain to me the science behind the reconstruction of shepard.

What?  That's the least far-fetched thing in Mass Effect.

Your real question should be to explain to you the science of someone surviving atmospheric re-entry in a spacesuit.

I'm more interested in how they fixed his brain.

When they introduced the possibility that Shepard was actually a VI who though he was Shepard, I was excited.

Then they just dropped it and never addressed the issue further.

I was scared that Shepard would turn out to be a clone or something, or a Reaper sleeper agent.  

They were really setting it up for something big... at EVERY Cerberus station I expected to find a log of TIM saying to the scientists something like, "Good, and Shepard will never know he's an AI..."  

[NM_Che56]

Riion wrote...

Laurencio wrote...

Riion wrote...

All of the "science" in the ME universe is based on the supposition that "there exists an element called element zero, or eezo, which, when an electric current is passed through it, will either decrease or increase mass, depending on the charge of the current". This is the basis of the other technologies which may seem like "magic" in the ME universe, and so any technology that can be explained in terms of either eezo or the Mass Effect is internally consistent with the science of the ingame universe. However, as it stands now, the result of firing the CrucibleCitadelCatalyst l4z0r is not.

Explain to me the science behind the reconstruction of shepard.

Armor systems could be equipped with microframe computers which utilise a substance (e.g. medigel) to seal leaks in the suit. As long as this occurs within a minute, give or take thirty seconds, then there is a chance of either survival or rescuscitation. 

Don't use it to explain it.

[Makatak]

Veggie, your troll threads always make me smile, because you somehow figure out just what's going to bring out the "best of the BSN." But this one is actually really, really good point. 9/10

[razor150]

Master Che wrote...

razor150 wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Delta-62 wrote...

Pretty much all sci-fi is based on bad science (FTL being impossible, an elemant with no atomic mass? THE HELL!?) we know this and we accpet it, but this BS science needs to be presented in a way that that it is believeable. Star child... was not.

My point is that it's all space magic.  So to say it at every turn only in reference to star brat is implying that everything else is well founded in science.

There is a thing called suspension of disbelief, you should look it up. Once the space brat shows up it asks the viewer, at this point we are viewers since we lose control of Shepard, to jump off a cliff with it. A writer should know how far they can go before their audience can no longer suspend disbelief.

I do not need to look up what I already know.  I didn't pick Synthesis.  So I did not jump off a cliff.

So the very fact that that space brat destroys it has no meaning for you? Science Fiction is call fiction for a reason, we aren't expecting science that can be tested and verified in a lab. At the same time we don't expect the writer to try and take us down rediculous leaps of fancy. If you don't want to seperate that bad science of the game for the ending that is fine for you, don't expect people to conform to your opinion. 

[NM_Che56]

razor150 wrote...

Master Che wrote...

razor150 wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Delta-62 wrote...

Pretty much all sci-fi is based on bad science (FTL being impossible, an elemant with no atomic mass? THE HELL!?) we know this and we accpet it, but this BS science needs to be presented in a way that that it is believeable. Star child... was not.

My point is that it's all space magic.  So to say it at every turn only in reference to star brat is implying that everything else is well founded in science.

There is a thing called suspension of disbelief, you should look it up. Once the space brat shows up it asks the viewer, at this point we are viewers since we lose control of Shepard, to jump off a cliff with it. A writer should know how far they can go before their audience can no longer suspend disbelief.

I do not need to look up what I already know.  I didn't pick Synthesis.  So I did not jump off a cliff.

So the very fact that that space brat destroys it has no meaning for you? Science Fiction is call fiction for a reason, we aren't expecting science that can be tested and verified in a lab. At the same time we don't expect the writer to try and take us down rediculous leaps of fancy. If you don't want to seperate that bad science of the game for the ending that is fine for you, don't expect people to conform to your opinion. 

Suspension of Disbelief: willingness to suspend one's critical faculties and believe the unbelievable sacrifice of realism and logic for the sake of enjoyment.

To suspend disbielf, how do you not take ridiculous leaps of fancy? 

Modifié par Master Che, 09 avril 2012 - 04:54 .

[Riion]

Master Che wrote...

Riion wrote...

Laurencio wrote...

Riion wrote...

All of the "science" in the ME universe is based on the supposition that "there exists an element called element zero, or eezo, which, when an electric current is passed through it, will either decrease or increase mass, depending on the charge of the current". This is the basis of the other technologies which may seem like "magic" in the ME universe, and so any technology that can be explained in terms of either eezo or the Mass Effect is internally consistent with the science of the ingame universe. However, as it stands now, the result of firing the CrucibleCitadelCatalyst l4z0r is not.

Explain to me the science behind the reconstruction of shepard.

Armor systems could be equipped with microframe computers which utilise a substance (e.g. medigel) to seal leaks in the suit. As long as this occurs within a minute, give or take thirty seconds, then there is a chance of either survival or rescuscitation. 

Don't use it to explain it.

Medigel is explained in the codex. And there are current, real life research initiatives to develop similar materials; it's not even that large a leap in terms of technology today. Therefore, it doesn't break internal consistency AND it's very plausible. 

[Bfler]

jumpingkaede wrote...

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

jumpingkaede wrote...

Laurencio wrote...

Explain to me the science behind the reconstruction of shepard.

What?  That's the least far-fetched thing in Mass Effect.

Your real question should be to explain to you the science of someone surviving atmospheric re-entry in a spacesuit.

I'm more interested in how they fixed his brain.

When they introduced the possibility that Shepard was actually a VI who though he was Shepard, I was excited.

Then they just dropped it and never addressed the issue further.

I was scared that Shepard would turn out to be a clone or something, or a Reaper sleeper agent.  

They were really setting it up for something big... at EVERY Cerberus station I expected to find a log of TIM saying to the scientists something like, "Good, and Shepard will never know he's an AI..."  

At the beginning of ME2 you see how they restore his body. So he can't be an AI.

[Fruit of the Doom]

Riion wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Riion wrote...

Laurencio wrote...

Riion wrote...

All of the "science" in the ME universe is based on the supposition that "there exists an element called element zero, or eezo, which, when an electric current is passed through it, will either decrease or increase mass, depending on the charge of the current". This is the basis of the other technologies which may seem like "magic" in the ME universe, and so any technology that can be explained in terms of either eezo or the Mass Effect is internally consistent with the science of the ingame universe. However, as it stands now, the result of firing the CrucibleCitadelCatalyst l4z0r is not.

Explain to me the science behind the reconstruction of shepard.

Armor systems could be equipped with microframe computers which utilise a substance (e.g. medigel) to seal leaks in the suit. As long as this occurs within a minute, give or take thirty seconds, then there is a chance of either survival or rescuscitation. 

Don't use it to explain it.

Medigel is explained in the codex. And there are current, real life research initiatives to develop similar materials; it's not even that large a leap in terms of technology today. Therefore, it doesn't break internal consistency AND it's very plausible. 

http://www.economist.com/node/6740040

(related to reconstruction (or construction) of organisms)

[NM_Che56]

Riion wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Riion wrote...

Laurencio wrote...

Riion wrote...

All of the "science" in the ME universe is based on the supposition that "there exists an element called element zero, or eezo, which, when an electric current is passed through it, will either decrease or increase mass, depending on the charge of the current". This is the basis of the other technologies which may seem like "magic" in the ME universe, and so any technology that can be explained in terms of either eezo or the Mass Effect is internally consistent with the science of the ingame universe. However, as it stands now, the result of firing the CrucibleCitadelCatalyst l4z0r is not.

Explain to me the science behind the reconstruction of shepard.

Armor systems could be equipped with microframe computers which utilise a substance (e.g. medigel) to seal leaks in the suit. As long as this occurs within a minute, give or take thirty seconds, then there is a chance of either survival or rescuscitation. 

Don't use it to explain it.

Medigel is explained in the codex. And there are current, real life research initiatives to develop similar materials; it's not even that large a leap in terms of technology today. Therefore, it doesn't break internal consistency AND it's very plausible. 

A lot of things are explained in the codex which requires me to suspend disbelief.  Sure, there are things being researched which make healing faster.  But right now, the fact that I can take a rocket to the chest and slap on some space magic...er...I mean "medigel"... and I'm as good as new is very far fetched.

[Laurencio]

Riion wrote...

Laurencio wrote...

Riion wrote...

All of the "science" in the ME universe is based on the supposition that "there exists an element called element zero, or eezo, which, when an electric current is passed through it, will either decrease or increase mass, depending on the charge of the current". This is the basis of the other technologies which may seem like "magic" in the ME universe, and so any technology that can be explained in terms of either eezo or the Mass Effect is internally consistent with the science of the ingame universe. However, as it stands now, the result of firing the CrucibleCitadelCatalyst l4z0r is not.

Explain to me the science behind the reconstruction of shepard.

Armor systems could be equipped with microframe computers which utilise a substance (e.g. medigel) to seal leaks in the suit. As long as this occurs within a minute, give or take thirty seconds, then there is a chance of either survival or rescuscitation. 

I believe that Miranda or Jacob points out early on in ME2 that Shepard was basically a lump of flesh when they got the remains. Noting how they had to recreate the skeleton, as well as several vital organs. Shepard would also have run out of oxygen as evidenced by the cut oxygen hose shown in the opening cinematic. Getting him up and running requires a great ammount of faith, but even with that explanation it does not even begin to explain how someone who has had no oxygen to the brain for much longer than 5-10 minutes. Probably several months. Was able to regain full neurological activity and conciousness.

If anyhting is "space magic" his ressurection certainly hits all the right spots. It's "accepted" because it's a positive thing. People have a tendency to overlook these issues when what they want something to happen.

[NM_Che56]

Laurencio wrote...

Riion wrote...

Laurencio wrote...

Riion wrote...

All of the "science" in the ME universe is based on the supposition that "there exists an element called element zero, or eezo, which, when an electric current is passed through it, will either decrease or increase mass, depending on the charge of the current". This is the basis of the other technologies which may seem like "magic" in the ME universe, and so any technology that can be explained in terms of either eezo or the Mass Effect is internally consistent with the science of the ingame universe. However, as it stands now, the result of firing the CrucibleCitadelCatalyst l4z0r is not.

Explain to me the science behind the reconstruction of shepard.

Armor systems could be equipped with microframe computers which utilise a substance (e.g. medigel) to seal leaks in the suit. As long as this occurs within a minute, give or take thirty seconds, then there is a chance of either survival or rescuscitation. 

I believe that Miranda or Jacob points out early on in ME2 that Shepard was basically a lump of flesh when they got the remains. Noting how they had to recreate the skeleton, as well as several vital organs. Shepard would also have run out of oxygen as evidenced by the cut oxygen hose shown in the opening cinematic. Getting him up and running requires a great ammount of faith, but even with that explanation it does not even begin to explain how someone who has had no oxygen to the brain for much longer than 5-10 minutes. Probably several months. Was able to regain full neurological activity and conciousness.

If anyhting is "space magic" his ressurection certainly hits all the right spots. It's "accepted" because it's a positive thing. People have a tendency to overlook these issues when what they want something to happen.

Or a religious miracle!  Hence, LAZARUS project.

Not to mention that he's not some zombie like twitch beast or robotic analogy of Shepard.  He IS Shepard. 

[Poison_Berrie]

Master Che wrote...

If you take sythesis at face value, maybe.  However, the whole geth helping quarians with their immune system systems a little far fetched.  It reminds me of when I was in college and some girl who knew NOTHING about computers was worried for her health when she heard about computer viruses. I KID YOU NOT! Yes, it was a major university in the midwest (Big 10).  Obviously, her major was not in computer science. LOL. 

The Quarians are wearing advanced enviromental suits, which come equiped with medical facilities against disease, vacuum exposure and other danger the Quarians might face on a daily basis. Geth programs inhabite the computers that regulate these suits and adapt these systems to stimulate their immune system. 

The only thing that is silly about it, is that the Quarians themselves didn't do it before.

[jumpingkaede]

Bfler wrote...

jumpingkaede wrote...

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

jumpingkaede wrote...

Laurencio wrote...

Explain to me the science behind the reconstruction of shepard.

What?  That's the least far-fetched thing in Mass Effect.

Your real question should be to explain to you the science of someone surviving atmospheric re-entry in a spacesuit.

I'm more interested in how they fixed his brain.

When they introduced the possibility that Shepard was actually a VI who though he was Shepard, I was excited.

Then they just dropped it and never addressed the issue further.

I was scared that Shepard would turn out to be a clone or something, or a Reaper sleeper agent.  

They were really setting it up for something big... at EVERY Cerberus station I expected to find a log of TIM saying to the scientists something like, "Good, and Shepard will never know he's an AI..."  

At the beginning of ME2 you see how they restore his body. So he can't be an AI.

A cyborg AI like the T-800.

[Complistic]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...


Actually, I think I thought of an alternate explanation to Space Magic...

It has long been speculated Mass Effect is entirely in the mind of sandal.

To the OP: Don't ask questions and buy our dlc!

[Riion]

Master Che wrote...

Riion wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Riion wrote...

Laurencio wrote...

Riion wrote...

All of the "science" in the ME universe is based on the supposition that "there exists an element called element zero, or eezo, which, when an electric current is passed through it, will either decrease or increase mass, depending on the charge of the current". This is the basis of the other technologies which may seem like "magic" in the ME universe, and so any technology that can be explained in terms of either eezo or the Mass Effect is internally consistent with the science of the ingame universe. However, as it stands now, the result of firing the CrucibleCitadelCatalyst l4z0r is not.

Explain to me the science behind the reconstruction of shepard.

Armor systems could be equipped with microframe computers which utilise a substance (e.g. medigel) to seal leaks in the suit. As long as this occurs within a minute, give or take thirty seconds, then there is a chance of either survival or rescuscitation. 

Don't use it to explain it.

Medigel is explained in the codex. And there are current, real life research initiatives to develop similar materials; it's not even that large a leap in terms of technology today. Therefore, it doesn't break internal consistency AND it's very plausible. 

A lot of things are explained in the codex which requires me to suspend disbelief.  Sure, there are things being researched which make healing faster.  But right now, the fact that I can take a rocket to the chest and slap on some space magic...er...I mean "medigel"... and I'm as good as new is very far fetched.

Your definition of suspension of disbelief is flawed; it is also up to the writer to at least give his story a semblance of truth in order to help the reader suspend their disbelief.

Laurencio wrote...

Riion wrote...

Laurencio wrote...

Riion wrote...

All of the "science" in the ME universe is based on the supposition that "there exists an element called element zero, or eezo, which, when an electric current is passed through it, will either decrease or increase mass, depending on the charge of the current". This is the basis of the other technologies which may seem like "magic" in the ME universe, and so any technology that can be explained in terms of either eezo or the Mass Effect is internally consistent with the science of the ingame universe. However, as it stands now, the result of firing the CrucibleCitadelCatalyst l4z0r is not.

Explain to me the science behind the reconstruction of shepard.

Armor systems could be equipped with microframe computers which utilise a substance (e.g. medigel) to seal leaks in the suit. As long as this occurs within a minute, give or take thirty seconds, then there is a chance of either survival or rescuscitation. 

I believe that Miranda or Jacob points out early on in ME2 that Shepard was basically a lump of flesh when they got the remains. Noting how they had to recreate the skeleton, as well as several vital organs. Shepard would also have run out of oxygen as evidenced by the cut oxygen hose shown in the opening cinematic. Getting him up and running requires a great ammount of faith, but even with that explanation it does not even begin to explain how someone who has had no oxygen to the brain for much longer than 5-10 minutes. Probably several months. Was able to regain full neurological activity and conciousness.

If anyhting is "space magic" his ressurection certainly hits all the right spots. It's "accepted" because it's a positive thing. People have a tendency to overlook these issues when what they want something to happen.

 

Meh, like I said, there are still current initiatives to resuscitate dead cells, it's not very hard to believe that in almost two centuries, this technology would have matured enough to be applicable on a larger scale. And resurrecting the cells/growing new ones make up most of the problem, recreation of skeleton could easily be attributed to a mechanical model or something similar. 

[NM_Che56]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Riion wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Riion wrote...

Laurencio wrote...

Riion wrote...

All of the "science" in the ME universe is based on the supposition that "there exists an element called element zero, or eezo, which, when an electric current is passed through it, will either decrease or increase mass, depending on the charge of the current". This is the basis of the other technologies which may seem like "magic" in the ME universe, and so any technology that can be explained in terms of either eezo or the Mass Effect is internally consistent with the science of the ingame universe. However, as it stands now, the result of firing the CrucibleCitadelCatalyst l4z0r is not.

Explain to me the science behind the reconstruction of shepard.

Armor systems could be equipped with microframe computers which utilise a substance (e.g. medigel) to seal leaks in the suit. As long as this occurs within a minute, give or take thirty seconds, then there is a chance of either survival or rescuscitation. 

Don't use it to explain it.

Medigel is explained in the codex. And there are current, real life research initiatives to develop similar materials; it's not even that large a leap in terms of technology today. Therefore, it doesn't break internal consistency AND it's very plausible. 

http://www.economist.com/node/6740040

(related to reconstruction (or construction) of organisms)

And you can grow an ear on the back of a mouse.  What's your point?

If I can buy Shepard being reconstituted from space paste into a fully functioning man and if the geth can help quarian immune systems via computer networks, then how is synthesis any more nonsensical?

[Fruit of the Doom]

Master Che wrote...

If I can buy Shepard being reconstituted from space paste into a fully functioning man and if the geth can help quarian immune systems via computer networks, then how is synthesis any more nonsensical?

Yup, he is in denial... or just a troll.


Or really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really stupid.

[NM_Che56]

The Collectors DNA was rewritten and modified extensively. That's internal consistency.

Genetic modifications occur in real life. Gene therapy. "Mutant food". Etc. There's your science.

So in this case, a beam of energy washes all over the galaxy and you get instant gene therapy. Green little nano bots that go in and modify your DNA? Yet THIS is space magic and the other "mumbo jumbo" isn't?

[NM_Che56]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Master Che wrote...

If I can buy Shepard being reconstituted from space paste into a fully functioning man and if the geth can help quarian immune systems via computer networks, then how is synthesis any more nonsensical?

Yup, he is in denial... or just a troll.
Or really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really stupid.

Instead of using insults, I would challenge you to answer my question.

If you are not able to do so, then I understand.

Modifié par Master Che, 09 avril 2012 - 05:14 .

[Riion]

Master Che wrote...

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Riion wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Riion wrote...

Laurencio wrote...

Riion wrote...

All of the "science" in the ME universe is based on the supposition that "there exists an element called element zero, or eezo, which, when an electric current is passed through it, will either decrease or increase mass, depending on the charge of the current". This is the basis of the other technologies which may seem like "magic" in the ME universe, and so any technology that can be explained in terms of either eezo or the Mass Effect is internally consistent with the science of the ingame universe. However, as it stands now, the result of firing the CrucibleCitadelCatalyst l4z0r is not.

Explain to me the science behind the reconstruction of shepard.

Armor systems could be equipped with microframe computers which utilise a substance (e.g. medigel) to seal leaks in the suit. As long as this occurs within a minute, give or take thirty seconds, then there is a chance of either survival or rescuscitation. 

Don't use it to explain it.

Medigel is explained in the codex. And there are current, real life research initiatives to develop similar materials; it's not even that large a leap in terms of technology today. Therefore, it doesn't break internal consistency AND it's very plausible. 

http://www.economist.com/node/6740040

(related to reconstruction (or construction) of organisms)

And you can grow an ear on the back of a mouse.  What's your point?

If I can buy Shepard being reconstituted from space paste into a fully functioning man and if the geth can help quarian immune systems via computer networks, then how is synthesis any more nonsensical?

It has absolutely no basis in the internal science of the ME universe, nor the external science of our world. It truly is "space magic". Is it a bad ending in and of itself? Not really, in a fantasy setting, it had potential to be an okay resolution. But here, it is completely out of place. 

[Laurencio]

Riion wrote...

Meh, like I said, there are still current initiatives to resuscitate dead cells, it's not very hard to believe that in almost two centuries, this technology would have matured enough to be applicable on a larger scale. And resurrecting the cells/growing new ones make up most of the problem, recreation of skeleton could easily be attributed to a mechanical model or something similar. 

Yet a machine that was created by a far more advanced civilzations cycles ago, the ones who probably created the reapers, could not have a sufficent level of technology to rewrite organics and synthetics on an atomic or molecular level?

Modifié par Laurencio, 09 avril 2012 - 05:15 .

[Poison_Berrie]

Master Che wrote...

And you can grow an ear on the back of a mouse.  What's your point?

If I can buy Shepard being reconstituted from space paste into a fully functioning man and if the geth can help quarian immune systems via computer networks, then how is synthesis any more nonsensical?

Extrapolation of technology vs. sucking it out of your thumb.

Using a computerized, enviromental suit with medical capabilities built into it to stimulate an imune system via vaccination methods or throwing yourself into an energy beam and which then somehow sees your combination of organic part and implants as one singular DNA which it throws out across the Milky Way. 
Yeah the former is equally non-sensical to latter... Oh wait!

[zephyr2025]

Space Hitler told you to die a horrible death by jumping into a beam of light and like an idiot you did just that.

[Riion]

[quote]Riion wrote...

[quote]Master Che wrote...

[quote]Fruit of the Doom wrote...

[quote]Riion wrote...

[quote]Master Che wrote...

[quote]Riion wrote...

[quote]Laurencio wrote...

[quote]Riion wrote...

All of the "science" in the ME universe is based on the supposition that "there exists an element called element zero, or eezo, which, when an electric current is passed through it, will either decrease or increase mass, depending on the charge of the current". This is the basis of the other technologies which may seem like "magic" in the ME universe, and so any technology that can be explained in terms of either eezo or the Mass Effect is internally consistent with the science of the ingame universe. However, as it stands now, the result of firing the CrucibleCitadelCatalyst l4z0r is not. [/quote]

Explain to me the science behind the reconstruction of shepard.

[/quote]

Armor systems could be equipped with microframe computers which utilise a substance (e.g. medigel) to seal leaks in the suit. As long as this occurs within a minute, give or take thirty seconds, then there is a chance of either survival or rescuscitation. 

[/quote]

Don't use it to explain it.[/quote]

Medigel is explained in the codex. And there are current, real life research initiatives to develop similar materials; it's not even that large a leap in terms of technology today. Therefore, it doesn't break internal consistency AND it's very plausible. 

[/quote]

http://www.economist.com/node/6740040

(related to reconstruction (or construction) of organisms)

[/quote]

And you can grow an ear on the back of a mouse.  What's your point?

If I can buy Shepard being reconstituted from space paste into a fully functioning man and if the geth can help quarian immune systems via computer networks, then how is synthesis any more nonsensical?[/quote]

It has absolutely no basis in the internal science of the ME universe, nor the external science of our world. It truly is "space magic". Is it a bad ending in and of itself? Not really, in a fantasy setting, it had potential to be an okay resolution. But here, it is completely out of place. 

[/quote]

Edit:
[quote]Master Che wrote...

The Collectors DNA was rewritten and modified extensively. That's internal consistency.

Genetic modifications occur in real life. Gene therapy. "Mutant food". Etc. There's your science.

So in this case, a beam of energy washes all over the galaxy and you get instant gene therapy. Green little nano bots that go in and modify your DNA? Yet THIS is space magic and the other "mumbo jumbo" isn't?[/quote] 

Hey, could you send me your computer's DNA sequence? I want to have a look at it. O, wait. 

Edit 2.0:
[quote]Laurencio wrote...

[quote]Riion wrote...

Meh, like I said, there are still current initiatives to resuscitate dead cells, it's not very hard to believe that in almost two centuries, this technology would have matured enough to be applicable on a larger scale. And resurrecting the cells/growing new ones make up most of the problem, recreation of skeleton could easily be attributed to a mechanical model or something similar. 

[/quote]

Yet a machine that was created by a far more advanced civilzations cycles ago, the ones who probably created the reapers, could not have a sufficent level of technology to rewrite organics and synthetics on an atomic or molecular level?

[/quote] 

And they still rely on reaping... why?

Modifié par Riion, 09 avril 2012 - 05:18 .