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How does Shepard jumping into a light turn the galaxy's life into cyborgs?


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Riion wrote...

Perhaps more like the difference between Machine Code and DNA; binary and quadrenary(?), then. And there's a certain point when you can just say anything is possible. Sure, but for me (and I'm sure for many others), that completely ruins the atmosphere of the situation. (I never liked Q in Star Trek...)

Anyways, this is almost as pointless as arguing about God now. Not sure if Master Che was trolling or... but Laurencio had some interesting points (which I disagree with, but c'est la vie). 


I agree that technology at that scale does ruin the "fun" of it. However it is not all that more unlikely than being able to ressurect Shepard. If they do have that level of technology then there is no reason why it would be an impossible leap of faith. It is only refered to as space magic because people don't like the outcome of it.

It puzzles me slightly how no one has raised pretty much this exact issue when it comes to the production of husks and reaper soldiers. They pretty much undergo a process of going from organic life forms into a synthetic like reaper form, yet maintaining a certain unique "ability" (Banshees)

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Think of it this way.  The ME3 ending is Luke confronting the Emperor.  You can choose to replace your father and become like him (control) or reject the emperor's offer and take your own chances (destroy).  But wait!  A sudden, third choice is Luke can jump down the air shaft, sacrificing himself to summon a green force cloud and now  everyone in the galaxy is part of the "Grey Side" with both light and dark sides of the force combined into a single force.  That's the ME3 synthesis ending.  There was never any indication that the force can be used like this but it just can be darn it because we needed to round everything out with a middle-of-the-road ending.

Also, to spell out other people's points more.  They're stating that if some ancient species that created the Reapers and the Citadel also had the ability to force all life in the galaxy to be part organic, part synthetic thus solving the quandry of organics being wiped out by synthetics then why didn't they just do that eons ago instead of slaughtering untold numbers of civilizations?  The problem could've been solved before it ever began but wasn't for no particular reason hence the "Yo dawg, I heard you didn't want to be killed by synthetics" meme.


Well that is just widly inaccurate. It is more like if Luke had a third option where he didn't have to do either and someone else ensured that the force could live on in a different form, preventing him from making those choices, a force understanding that wasn't necessarily light or dark. Oh wait.

The civilzation that created the technology of the reapers probably didn't do so for them to destroy everyhing in their path. As the starchild mentions this is "his" solution. Which could easily mean that he expanded upon the paramaters he orginially had been given, much like V.I.K.I in IRobot expanded upon the three laws of robotics to come to another somehwat ilogical conclusion. They can't utilize this technology, as that would only serve to make the reapers irrelevant. Removing the potential or ability to create synthetic life forms to rebel against their creators removes the ability or the potential for reapers to reap.

You can not expect any species, synthetic or otherwise to end the very thing that gives them purpose. That would be against their very core. Even if we imagine that the starchild is seperate from the reapers and their purpose he exists seemingly, to maintain order and avoid chaos. In order for him to do so he would have to ensure that the potential for chaos still exists, as order can not exist without chaos (dark can not exist without light), because without that potential he becomes irrelevant as well. 

I'm a bit iffy on the last part, but essentially they are acting in a way that prevents themselves from becoming obsolete, from not having any real purpose. They act to ensure their "survival".

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The Incredible Hulk must really ****** some of you off.

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Riion wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Riion wrote...

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I suppose this is just the space magic equivalent of making a coin vanish behind my ear?

http://www.popularme...origami-7383319


 


"Let’s go back to biology-class basics. DNA is made up of four bases: adenine, thymine, guanine, and cytosine (A, T, C, and G) that bond in pairs. A connects to T; C connects to G." 


...and your point?
things cannot be genetically altered? Nano science cannot be a means to do it?

I would like to see you genetically alter your computer. 


My computer does not have genes.

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It's funny how nobody seems to have an issue with any of the science in this game, right up until the end of course.


Except that the series has always had it's own rules set and that things like biotics and space travel play by and abide by said rules.

Until Shepard jumping into a light gives trees metal parts.

Then again it makes almost as much sense as shooting a fusebox that destroys all synthetic life.

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Mriswith911 wrote...

Riion wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Riion wrote...

Master Che wrote...

I suppose this is just the space magic equivalent of making a coin vanish behind my ear?

http://www.popularme...origami-7383319


 



"Let’s go back to biology-class basics. DNA is made up of four bases: adenine, thymine, guanine, and cytosine (A, T, C, and G) that bond in pairs. A connects to T; C connects to G." 


...and your point?

things cannot be genetically altered? Nano science cannot be a means to do it?


I would like to see you genetically alter your computer. 


Synthesis is equivalent to saying that element zero can suddenly alter life in addition to doing what it has done for the past three games. 


I would call development of eezo nodules as a result of eezo exposure in utero "life altering", no?

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I'm guessing it's supposed to be symbolic and beyond our comprehension. No one understands what the crucible is capable of, like how the Catalyst was really the reaper god.

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nevar00 wrote...

Atmospeer wrote...

It's funny how nobody seems to have an issue with any of the science in this game, right up until the end of course.


Except that the series has always had it's own rules set and that things like biotics and space travel play by and abide by said rules.

Until Shepard jumping into a light gives trees metal parts.

Then again it makes almost as much sense as shooting a fusebox that destroys all synthetic life.


I looked at it like a massive EMP discharge, a la The Matrix.

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Laurencio wrote...

It puzzles me slightly how no one has raised pretty much this exact issue when it comes to the production of husks and reaper soldiers. They pretty much undergo a process of going from organic life forms into a synthetic like reaper form, yet maintaining a certain unique "ability" (Banshees)

Because that is actually explained. These husks are the product actual physical technology.
They are implanted with mechanical parts, nanites and otherwise modified, with the specific goal to turn them into mindless thralls. In essence the original body is the frame for a new Reaper controlled weapon.
This is done physically. One doesn't walk into a beam and come out a husk, they are impalled on spikes, surgically altered.

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Atmospeer wrote...

It's funny how nobody seems to have an issue with any of the science in this game, right up until the end of course.


Because it works.

Once accept the existence of a particle that is capable of increasing or decreasing the mass of matter within a field upon the application of an electric current then everything else naturally falls into place.

Hiwever when your ending requires the building of a machine that functions outside of logical or acceptable assumptions such that the only way to explain it is via space magic then you have gone too far.

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Its stupid, that's how.

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Poison_Berrie wrote...

Laurencio wrote...

It puzzles me slightly how no one has raised pretty much this exact issue when it comes to the production of husks and reaper soldiers. They pretty much undergo a process of going from organic life forms into a synthetic like reaper form, yet maintaining a certain unique "ability" (Banshees)

Because that is actually explained. These husks are the product actual physical technology.
They are implanted with mechanical parts, nanites and otherwise modified, with the specific goal to turn them into mindless thralls. In essence the original body is the frame for a new Reaper controlled weapon.
This is done physically. One doesn't walk into a beam and come out a husk, they are impalled on spikes, surgically altered.


Unless said beam carried nanites?

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Zuka999 wrote...

Its stupid, that's how.


At least you spare us any laughable rationalization as to why one type of space magic is preferable over another.  LOL

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A new technology the Reapers got from Harry Potter....

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So now the Citadel is actually the Well of Souls?
Obie, help me!

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How does Shepard never take a dump in three games?

oh rite space magic

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Master Che wrote...

The Collectors DNA was rewritten and modified extensively. That's internal consistency.

Genetic modifications occur in real life. Gene therapy. "Mutant food". Etc. There's your science.

So in this case, a beam of energy washes all over the galaxy and you get instant gene therapy. Green little nano bots that go in and modify your DNA? Yet THIS is space magic and the other "mumbo jumbo" isn't?


The amount of matter needed to create a cloud of nanobots capable of engulfing the entire galaxy would require more matter than exists within the galaxy.

There is a huge difference between someone telling you they can leap 10 feet in a single jump and 10 miles in a single jump.

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*mother of god* Shepard turned the Quarians into the borg who self repair and adapt to any sort of weapon used against them. Being so intergrated with synthetics that they are invincible!

...That was a Joke.

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Shahadem wrote...

The amount of matter needed to create a cloud of nanobots capable of engulfing the entire galaxy would require more matter than exists within the galaxy.

Could you imagine the gravitational effects if it did exist, though?

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Why is six afraid of seven? Because seven eight nine.

That was a joke.

:runs and hides:

It's space magic.

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sp0ck 06 wrote...

How does Shepard never take a dump in three games?

oh rite space magic


You know, I was going to ask this...

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Senario wrote...

*mother of god* Shepard turned the Quarians into the borg who self repair and adapt to any sort of weapon used against them. Being so intergrated with synthetics that they are invincible!

...That was a Joke.


The Borg are the reason why I despise Star Trek post Shatner. Who the hell came up with that idea?!

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*rolleyes*

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Shahadem wrote...

Master Che wrote...

The Collectors DNA was rewritten and modified extensively. That's internal consistency.

Genetic modifications occur in real life. Gene therapy. "Mutant food". Etc. There's your science.

So in this case, a beam of energy washes all over the galaxy and you get instant gene therapy. Green little nano bots that go in and modify your DNA? Yet THIS is space magic and the other "mumbo jumbo" isn't?


The amount of matter needed to create a cloud of nanobots capable of engulfing the entire galaxy would require more matter than exists within the galaxy.

There is a huge difference between someone telling you they can leap 10 feet in a single jump and 10 miles in a single jump.


Like Superman? LOL!

How do you know the amount of matter needed? This is science fiction! Who says that one nanobot can't rewrite the DNA of a million people and they just hope around like a bad case of lice?  Why wouldn't THAT be possible?
What if the little beams going from relay to relay just create more of these nanobots thus reducing the needs for a single cloud to carry all of the nanobots?

Use your imagination! LOLImage IPB

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Nanomachines? Nanomachines. Nanomachines nanomachining nanomachine nanomachining nanomachinging nanomachines.

NANOMACHINES!





LIQUID!

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Master Che wrote...

Unless said beam carried nanites?

Even if said beam was some sort of mass-effect antigravity beam which could only lift molecular masses, that would by a highly ineffecient way of introducing said nanites to the organic frames.
You'd either have to introduce some sort of loop in which the excess material is reintroduced at the bottom or waste copious amounts of nanites.