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[nevar00]

Master Che wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

Atmospeer wrote...

It's funny how nobody seems to have an issue with any of the science in this game, right up until the end of course.

Except that the series has always had it's own rules set and that things like biotics and space travel play by and abide by said rules.

Until Shepard jumping into a light gives trees metal parts.

Then again it makes almost as much sense as shooting a fusebox that destroys all synthetic life.

I looked at it like a massive EMP discharge, a la The Matrix.

That is what I assumed too.  It's still kind of stupid but definitely not as "out there" as the Synthesis ending as it can be explained away with relative ease.  

[Poison_Berrie]

Master Che wrote...

Like Superman? LOL!

Superman isn't science fiction and doesn't have the standard of having reasonably consistent psuedo-science. It's in premise of Superman. If something needs to happen for the plot, it happens.

How do you know the amount of matter needed? This is science fiction! Who says that one nanobot can't rewrite the DNA of a million people and they just hope around like a bad case of lice?  Why wouldn't THAT be possible?
What if the little beams going from relay to relay just create more of these nanobots thus reducing the needs for a single cloud to carry all of the nanobots?

A beam can not create nanobots out of thin air and a nanobot would by virtue of it's size be limited in power supply. And only a few nanobots would be worthless considering the size of the galaxy and the statistical probability of that small number effecting change in the entire galaxy.

It's science fiction, not an excuse for doing whatever the hell you want. That would be SCIENCE! fiction or science fantasy.

[RogueBot]

Dockerr wrote...

I swear if someone comes in and just says "Space magic" Imma be so pissed.

I agree its far fetched though. The crucible broadcasts a signal that changes everyone's dna, so they have circuit boards printed on them. Because... i guess the crucible can do that by altering the signal sent out by the citadel that would have been used to bring back the reapers in ME1, and because i guess synthetics kinda have a sort of DNA in the form of their programming? And i guess reapers would know the genetic makeup of all the major council races?

But wait, not all the plants too that doesn't make any sense OH SCREW THIS IT WAS SPACE MAGIC.

It was a good try, at least! You held on for about 30 words longer than I would have the patience for.

[Pulletlamer]

I bet Mac Walters and Casey Hudson Bioware doesn't know the answer either.

[NM_Che56]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Unless said beam carried nanites?

Even if said beam was some sort of mass-effect antigravity beam which could only lift molecular masses, that would by a highly ineffecient way of introducing said nanites to the organic frames.
You'd either have to introduce some sort of loop in which the excess material is reintroduced at the bottom or waste copious amounts of nanites.

but we agree that it's "possible", correct?  You just set the conditions under which it could occur.  It just wouldn't be efficient.  Not that it would have to, though.

[NM_Che56]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Like Superman? LOL!

Superman isn't science fiction and doesn't have the standard of having reasonably consistent psuedo-science. It's in premise of Superman. If something needs to happen for the plot, it happens.

How do you know the amount of matter needed? This is science fiction! Who says that one nanobot can't rewrite the DNA of a million people and they just hope around like a bad case of lice?  Why wouldn't THAT be possible?
What if the little beams going from relay to relay just create more of these nanobots thus reducing the needs for a single cloud to carry all of the nanobots?

A beam can not create nanobots out of thin air and a nanobot would by virtue of it's size be limited in power supply. And only a few nanobots would be worthless considering the size of the galaxy and the statistical probability of that small number effecting change in the entire galaxy.

It's science fiction, not an excuse for doing whatever the hell you want. That would be SCIENCE! fiction or science fantasy.

I thought the Superman comment was funny.  Leaping tall buildings in single bound...etc.

Didn't say light would create mass...but could maybe carry it?  Maybe the beam carries an TON.  An who said that it was instantaenous? Maybe it will take a while to reach everyone.

You can't say it's "impossible".

[NM_Che56]

I guess I should have studied at MIT or somewhere like that. Apparently, a lot of forum members have a very detailed, working knowledge of science. LOL.

[Dendio1]

A deus ex machina is generally undesirable in writing and often implies a lack of creativity on the part of the author. The reasons for this are that it does not pay due regard to the story's internal logic and is often so unlikely that it challenges suspension of disbelief, allowing the author to conclude the story with an unlikely, though perhaps more palatable, ending.[14]

The deus ex machina is often considered to be a poor storytelling technique by critics because it undermines the story's internal logic, although it is sometimes employed deliberately for this reason.

http://en.wikipedia....ina#Video_games

Modifié par Dendio1, 09 avril 2012 - 08:09 .

[Spectre-00N7]

Now I'm not saying it's space magic...


but it's space magic

[xenu101]

Another great question is: How does shooting a tube, which should break Star Baby's rEAper machine, cause it to send out a red energy wave that kills all synthetic life???

How do these endings work? They don't! It's just awful writing that no amount of Space Magic can fix.

[ZajoE38]

Green ending :

One explanation - space magic

Another explanation - combining Shepards DNA with Catalyst's program algorithms makes default pattern which is sent via mass relays to affect every being in galaxy to reprogram it's elementary structure.


Lightning strike:

One explanation - God, or space magic

Antoher explanation - Atmosheric electrical discharge, clouds gets charged by static electricity and when voltage between earth and cloud reaches enough voltage, the cloud discharges itself into ground.

Blue sky -

One explanation - space magic/God

Another explanation - light diffracted on oxygen molecules.

Believe what you want ))

[sp0ck 06]

Does it really need to be explained? Its a release of an unimaginably powerful wave of energy, probably also consuming the energy contained within the mass relays, propelled by a consciousness hundreds of millions of years old.

Why does everything need to be spelled out? Shepard wouldn't understand how the Crucible did what it did, neither would any survivors. It just did it.

Why can't people just use a little imagination sometimes? I'm not trying to fan the flames here, but why can't we just fire up the ole creative juices and puzzle it out for ourselves? I don't want or need to know exactly how every little thing worked.

I mean, how the hell did the Death Star blow up planets? A single directed energy beam only a few meters in diameter destroys an Earth-sized planet in seconds while only needing a few seconds to charge up? What the heck was powering that thing? How is that even possible? Wouldn't it take at least a few minutes to drill down to the core of the planet? Does it work on all planets? What about gas planets? How many shots can it take? How did the friggin planet exploding cause zero damage to the Death Star? When its blowing up ships in Jedi why isn't the beam blowing through? If it can blow up a planet shouldn't it be tearing through multiple ships in one shot? Why not build a planet side version of this weapon? How does the Death Star even move?

^^^^space magic or deus ex, thats the standard answer around here^^^

[Cyruge]

Sloppy writing. 'Nuff said.

[YukiFA]

sp0ck 06 wrote...
I mean, how the hell did the Death Star blow up planets? A single directed energy beam only a few meters in diameter destroys an Earth-sized planet in seconds while only needing a few seconds to charge up? What the heck was powering that thing? How is that even possible? Wouldn't it take at least a few minutes to drill down to the core of the planet? Does it work on all planets? What about gas planets? How many shots can it take? How did the friggin planet exploding cause zero damage to the Death Star? When its blowing up ships in Jedi why isn't the beam blowing through? If it can blow up a planet shouldn't it be tearing through multiple ships in one shot? Why not build a planet side version of this weapon? How does the Death Star even move?

^^^^space magic or deus ex, thats the standard answer around here^^^

Actually, no. The methods by which the Death Stars operate are explained. But none of them conflict with already established lore and none of which will leave the reader/watcher with a feeling of "WTF did I just read/watch?" Because A New Hope didn't cut to credits with the Death Star blowing up Alderann and an immediate cut to the medal ceremony on Yavin IV with no explanation as to what happened.

[CDHarrisUSF]

ZajoE38 wrote...

Another explanation - combining Shepards DNA with Catalyst's program algorithms makes default pattern which is sent via mass relays to affect every being in galaxy to reprogram it's elementary structure.

That's not even close to an explanation.

[TheArcader]

nevar00 wrote...

Master Che wrote...

I looked at it like a massive EMP discharge, a la The Matrix.

That is what I assumed too.  It's still kind of stupid but definitely not as "out there" as the Synthesis ending as it can be explained away with relative ease.  

But if it was EMP, it would have trashed all electronic components. Oh, it only affects synthetic life? SPACE MAGIC!

I thought his comment was that it would kill Shepard too because he is part synthetic, so how the heck could he live at the end if you had the right readiness value? SHOCK VALUE!

[Poison_Berrie]

Master Che wrote...

but we agree that it's "possible", correct?  You just set the conditions under which it could occur.  It just wouldn't be efficient.  Not that it would have to, though.

Well for those that simple work via nano-machines ingestion, it might work (considering human husk are impaled on spikes it seems simply breathing them in isn't effective). But plenty of Reaper forces require more invasive implants and restructuring. 

Master Che wrote...

Didn't say light would create mass...but could maybe carry it?  Maybe the beam carries an TON.  An who said that it was instantaenous? Maybe it will take a while to reach everyone.

You can't say it's "impossible".

A simple beam of light wouldn't really carry nano-machine around. If it's a mass effect field/corridor (which seems to be implied) it carries the nasty implication of FTL kinetic kill projectile for the smaller radius of the sphere where the concentration would have to be big thus a higher density and higher mass. 

Master Che wrote...

I guess I should have studied at MIT or somewhere like that. Apparently, a lot of forum members have a very detailed, working knowledge of science. LOL.

Nah, what I know on this comes solely from my own reading.

[sp0ck 06]

YukiFA wrote...

sp0ck 06 wrote...
I mean, how the hell did the Death Star blow up planets? A single directed energy beam only a few meters in diameter destroys an Earth-sized planet in seconds while only needing a few seconds to charge up? What the heck was powering that thing? How is that even possible? Wouldn't it take at least a few minutes to drill down to the core of the planet? Does it work on all planets? What about gas planets? How many shots can it take? How did the friggin planet exploding cause zero damage to the Death Star? When its blowing up ships in Jedi why isn't the beam blowing through? If it can blow up a planet shouldn't it be tearing through multiple ships in one shot? Why not build a planet side version of this weapon? How does the Death Star even move?

^^^^space magic or deus ex, thats the standard answer around here^^^

Actually, no. The methods by which the Death Stars operate are explained. But none of them conflict with already established lore and none of which will leave the reader/watcher with a feeling of "WTF did I just read/watch?" Because A New Hope didn't cut to credits with the Death Star blowing up Alderann and an immediate cut to the medal ceremony on Yavin IV with no explanation as to what happened.

The methods certainly aren't explained in the films themselves.

The point is, when you watch Star Wars, you aren't raging about how x or y isn't fully explained.  You just accept that the Death Star can blow up a planet.  I don't understand we why need to have the workings of the Crucible spelled out for us, especially since not really knowing what it does is a major plot point in the game.

[CaliGuy033]

How does running an electrical current through an element increase or decrease the mass of an object?

[Zkyire]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

What is it that causes this?  I don't get it.

Because ponies.

[nevar00]

sp0ck 06 wrote...

YukiFA wrote...

sp0ck 06 wrote...
I mean, how the hell did the Death Star blow up planets? A single directed energy beam only a few meters in diameter destroys an Earth-sized planet in seconds while only needing a few seconds to charge up? What the heck was powering that thing? How is that even possible? Wouldn't it take at least a few minutes to drill down to the core of the planet? Does it work on all planets? What about gas planets? How many shots can it take? How did the friggin planet exploding cause zero damage to the Death Star? When its blowing up ships in Jedi why isn't the beam blowing through? If it can blow up a planet shouldn't it be tearing through multiple ships in one shot? Why not build a planet side version of this weapon? How does the Death Star even move?

^^^^space magic or deus ex, thats the standard answer around here^^^

Actually, no. The methods by which the Death Stars operate are explained. But none of them conflict with already established lore and none of which will leave the reader/watcher with a feeling of "WTF did I just read/watch?" Because A New Hope didn't cut to credits with the Death Star blowing up Alderann and an immediate cut to the medal ceremony on Yavin IV with no explanation as to what happened.

The methods certainly aren't explained in the films themselves.

The point is, when you watch Star Wars, you aren't raging about how x or y isn't fully explained.  You just accept that the Death Star can blow up a planet.  I don't understand we why need to have the workings of the Crucible spelled out for us, especially since not really knowing what it does is a major plot point in the game.

They don't need to be explained.  The Star Wars films do not attempt to explain their space travel, force powers, lightsabers, etc in the films.  ...Well, at least until the midichlorians but nobody is counting the prequels.  

Mass Effect is the exact opposite, where you can find everything in detail right within the game itself.  Very few things are not really explained out somewhere within the game.

Modifié par nevar00, 09 avril 2012 - 08:52 .

[Laurcus]

Zardoc wrote...

HiddenKING wrote...

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

- Arthur C. Clarke

Magic is magic.

Agreed. I don't know who this Arthur C. Clarke guy is, but he sounds like a moron. By nature, technology is something that must work within the laws of physics. Magic is under no such restriction. Therefore, no matter how advanced technology gets, magic can still do things that it cannot.

Though the limits of technology are not always portrayed correctly. Such as any movie with a backwards time machine. In Mass Effect specifically, you need to take into account the Mass Effect. Biotics, FTL travel, and many other things, are scientifically possibly in the setting because of that difference in the laws of physics.

[Laurcus]

CaliGuy033 wrote...

How does running an electrical current through an element increase or decrease the mass of an object?

Why is heat hot? Because it just is. That is a property of that element which is unique to that setting.

[sp0ck 06]

Laurcus wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

HiddenKING wrote...

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

- Arthur C. Clarke

Magic is magic.

Agreed. I don't know who this Arthur C. Clarke guy is, but he sounds like a moron. By nature, technology is something that must work within the laws of physics. Magic is under no such restriction. Therefore, no matter how advanced technology gets, magic can still do things that it cannot.

Though the limits of technology are not always portrayed correctly. Such as any movie with a backwards time machine. In Mass Effect specifically, you need to take into account the Mass Effect. Biotics, FTL travel, and many other things, are scientifically possibly in the setting because of that difference in the laws of physics.

Yeah, he's just like one of the greatest sci-fi minds of all time.  He probably shouldn't talk about things he doesn't know.

[Riion]

Laurcus wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

HiddenKING wrote...

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

- Arthur C. Clarke

Magic is magic.

Agreed. I don't know who this Arthur C. Clarke guy is, but he sounds like a moron. By nature, technology is something that must work within the laws of physics. Magic is under no such restriction. Therefore, no matter how advanced technology gets, magic can still do things that it cannot.

Though the limits of technology are not always portrayed correctly. Such as any movie with a backwards time machine. In Mass Effect specifically, you need to take into account the Mass Effect. Biotics, FTL travel, and many other things, are scientifically possibly in the setting because of that difference in the laws of physics.

I'm sorry, did you just call Arthur C. Clarke a moron!? 

Edit: Might as well make this post productive. 
I'm not sure what everyone has against internal consistency to the ME universe. The majority of the technology is explained within the context of that specific universe. Mass Effect was trying to be a semi- hard science fiction story with major space opera elements. Star Wars was straight up Space Opera. 

Modifié par Riion, 09 avril 2012 - 09:01 .