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[Erixxxx]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

Also, their personal theory is that in control you become a "being of light".

I guess my ascension theory just became a whole lot more likely.

The word ascension was dropped in that conversation, so you are probably right with that theory. 

Haha, good to know I'm on the right track. Thanks for this thread. 

[anlk92]

Jim Darksworn wrote...

I'm not going to go so far as to call you a liar, but ultimately if we dont get any dev posts backing this up then its meaningless.

Also assuming this is true, if they wrote the game then they shouldnt be using the word "theory" either they know or they dont.

The thing is I don't think they had anything definitive in their minds while writing it. They just threw in some vague stuff and decided to let the players fill in the gaps however they want to. I really hope this wasn't the case but it just looks that way to me.

[DOYOURLABS]

CELL55 wrote...

Thanks. Why didn't they just say this earlier? I'm a hell of a lot more reassured now with this one post than I ever was with a combination of all previous developer posts.

When doing PR announcements or talking on the internet, they need to be careful that what they say isn't implying something they don't mean. I guess talking in person they can be more open.

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Well, couldn't they still study the reapers even though they are destroyed? Also, they could still potentially find other ways to travel around the galaxy without the relays.

Very true, but the tech would be destroyed so it would take longer. I doubt it would be impossible entirely to rebuild the relays. 

[kbct]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

Senior Writer- Their vision was essentially what you saw, but with more focus on the details. They wanted players to use their lore knowledge and look carefully at the subtle differences in the endings to piece together what happened. They were running out of money so they could not as effectively represent that.

Running out of money or time? Or both?

[wantedman dan]

ThePanzer99 wrote...

Imagine a team at Super Bowl. Game is tied, 30 seconds to go. 3rd down on the 1 yard line. They then fumble the snap on the 1 yard line and opposing team runs it across the field and wins the game.

That's the level of bioware's failure. Them pretending otherwise and doubling-down on the current ending is just salt in the wound. They better hope thier estimation that those unhappy with the whole ending really are the minority. Otherwise the DLC, unless it's just perfect, is going to solve nothing and ****** people off even further.

But they intended to do that to show how artistic their playing was; the scoring was an unintentional consequence.

[Reth Shepherd]

Ctrl doesn't actually rule out Indoc, now that I think about it. You fully believe that you are doing the right thing. Just like Saren did. You fully believe that with the new info you have, you are saving the maximum number of people. Again, like Saren. Of course the relays would be quickly rebuilt! You're going to need them up and running before the next 50,000 years comes up! And no, you're not going to be re-uniting with your crew because, well, they're not indoctrinated. Plus you don't actually know where they are. With this theory, the only way you could be reunited is if you happened to find the crash site AND if one of your agents puts an indoctrination device on the Normandy. Bingo, it's you and your crew again...just, ya'know, evil.

(Disclaimer: I don't fully believe this theory myself, it's just an interesting thought experiment)

[DOYOURLABS]

 

kbct wrote...

DOYOURLABS wrote...

Senior Writer- Their vision was essentially what you saw, but with more focus on the details. They wanted players to use their lore knowledge and look carefully at the subtle differences in the endings to piece together what happened. They were running out of money so they could not as effectively represent that.

Running out of money or time? Or both?

Money I believe, nothing specific was said though.

[AshenSugar]

They will not make a new ending, because that would be unfair to the people who liked the ending

Bob, Steve and Jenny will be happy then, I think that pretty-much covers everyone who liked the ending.

What about the remaining 97% of players though? 


To be a little more serious... Awakening proved that destroying a relay essentially created a supernova within the system. How can Shepard destroying them using the Star Brat's three possible endings be any different? Are they destroyed using some kind of micro black hole, in which all the released energy is contained and sucked safely into hyperspace or some such?

If that is the case, why the heck wasn't it revealed within the game? It makes no sense!  What caused the devs to assume that we would 'just know' that there would be no supernova-type-explosion... when all the evidence we have (Awakening) says otherwise?

I also find it real hard to believe Bioware ran out of money, it's a lot more realistic (to me at least) to believe that they ran out of time, not cash (i.e. EA up to their usual tricks with impossible-to-meet deadlines).

[Kanon777]

so it IS possible for the Geth survive in the destroy ending?

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

CELL55 wrote...

Thanks. Why didn't they just say this earlier? I'm a hell of a lot more reassured now with this one post than I ever was with a combination of all previous developer posts.

When doing PR announcements or talking on the internet, they need to be careful that what they say isn't implying something they don't mean. I guess talking in person they can be more open.

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Well, couldn't they still study the reapers even though they are destroyed? Also, they could still potentially find other ways to travel around the galaxy without the relays.

Very true, but the tech would be destroyed so it would take longer. I doubt it would be impossible entirely to rebuild the relays. 

And the fact that the relays overloaded, not went supernova. There are parts of the relays floating around space, they could still study them and figure out how they work. Maybe the survivors don't starve to death after all?

[RukiaKuchki]

ed87 wrote...

If theyre going to 'run out of money' during development then what was the point of EA aquiring Bioware in the first place? Sounds like they were just trying to hit a certain profit margin with the game but failed, so now theyre blowing development money to try to save their fanbase, the brand, and their reputation

They don't have an unlimited budget with unlimited time to do everything they want to do. As popular as ME is, it only has so much earning potential (it's nowhere near the likes of all-conquering COD for example), and that will be scaled to the budget. Cutting sequences due to resource constraints is not unique to Mass Effect. It will have happened to just about every game you have ever played, and probably every movie you have ever watched. Bioware are consumate professionals who are incredibly proud of the work they produce (rightfully so in my opinion) - and they have probably had to make some agonising decisions to get this game finished.

[DOYOURLABS]

tobito113 wrote...

so it IS possible for the Geth survive in the destroy ending?

Speculation at this point, but the starkid did lie about other things so it is entirely possible. 

[Joeybsmooth4]

Very few people liked the ending, and I hate that they imply that most of the people that did not like the ending were to dumb to understand it . That is just yet another slap in the face.

[Pain Train]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

As for the starkid, they said he was basically bluffing with the consequences of Destroy, since its possible Shepard and EDI can live. 

So I was right in my other speculation post....sweet. IF Bioware had ANY logic to the ending, it was the only option to make sense of shepard living as destuction would have been complete, even for shepard.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11159642

Modifié par Pain Train, 09 avril 2012 - 05:07 .

[Kanon777]

AshenSugar wrote...

They will not make a new ending, because that would be unfair to the people who liked the ending

Bob, Steve and Jenny will be happy then, I think that pretty-much covers everyone who liked the ending.

What about the remaining 97% of players though? 


To be a little more serious... Awakening proved that destroying a relay essentially created a supernova within the system. How can Shepard destroying them using the Star Brat's three possible endings be any different? Are they destroyed using some kind of micro black hole, in which all the released energy is contained and sucked safely into hyperspace or some such?

If that is the case, why the heck wasn't it revealed within the game? It makes no sense!  What caused the devs to assume that we would 'just know' that there would be no supernova-type-explosion... when all the evidence we have (Awakening) says otherwise?

I also find it real hard to believe Bioware ran out of money, it's a lot more realistic (to me at least) to believe that they ran out of time, not cash (i.e. EA up to their usual tricks with impossible-to-meet deadlines).

I dont want the endings changed, all i need is an epilogue to have a canon answer on how my actions changed the galaxy...

[AlienSpaceBats]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

They also all but confirmed that in Destroy endings if you are alive you can reunite with the crew but cannot rebuild the relays (quickly at least, as reaper tech is destroyed) and in Control you cannot reunite with your crew but can rebuild the relays quickly. Synthesis remains a mystery. THE RELAYS DO NOT SUPERNOVA.

You've just made my day, thanks 

[DOYOURLABS]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

DOYOURLABS wrote...

CELL55 wrote...

Thanks. Why didn't they just say this earlier? I'm a hell of a lot more reassured now with this one post than I ever was with a combination of all previous developer posts.

When doing PR announcements or talking on the internet, they need to be careful that what they say isn't implying something they don't mean. I guess talking in person they can be more open.

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Well, couldn't they still study the reapers even though they are destroyed? Also, they could still potentially find other ways to travel around the galaxy without the relays.

Very true, but the tech would be destroyed so it would take longer. I doubt it would be impossible entirely to rebuild the relays. 

And the fact that the relays overloaded, not went supernova. There are parts of the relays floating around space, they could still study them and figure out how they work. Maybe the survivors don't starve to death after all?

And I am reminded of another thing! My memory is being jogged by you all. Starvation isn't a problem. As for the relay parts, yeah I assume that could be used too. 

[Iwillbeback]

Senior Writer- Their vision was essentially what you saw, but with more focus on the details. They wanted players to use their lore knowledge and look carefully at the subtle differences in the endings to piece together what happened. They were running out of money so they could not as effectively represent that.

They killed the lore and then spat on its corpse and labeled a big Artistic Integrity sign on it.

I think they wanted us to remember Saren's ideas and TIM's ideas as to what should happen.
Yeah we got that, the ending still stinks of poorly written garbage.

Modifié par Iwillbeback, 09 avril 2012 - 05:09 .

[Grudge_NL]

AshenSugar wrote...

They will not make a new ending, because that would be unfair to the people who liked the ending

Bob, Steve and Jenny will be happy then, I think that pretty-much covers everyone who liked the ending.

What about the remaining 97% of players though? 

Although I did not really liked the ending, I'd like to see where you got those statistics. 

  Dont start about 'the number of threads on this forum being negative about the ending', because that still doesnt make it 97 % of the player base.

Modifié par Grudge_NL, 09 avril 2012 - 05:10 .

[killnoob]

lol...unfair to people who liked the ending...

when in fact they could just add an alternative magical explosion that destroy the reaper without killing Geths, EDI, Mass Relay without retconing anything

yes you can shut at least 70@ of anti-enders up

even better, sell the perfect- ending magical explosion as a DLC, so anti-enders and retakers have to pay for it if they disliked the original artisitc vision.

how is that unfair to pro-enders?

Modifié par killnoob, 09 avril 2012 - 05:13 .

[Kanon777]

DOYOURLABS your answers sound so vague and similar to what the devs already told us. I think i can trust what you say...

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

DOYOURLABS wrote...

CELL55 wrote...

Thanks. Why didn't they just say this earlier? I'm a hell of a lot more reassured now with this one post than I ever was with a combination of all previous developer posts.

When doing PR announcements or talking on the internet, they need to be careful that what they say isn't implying something they don't mean. I guess talking in person they can be more open.

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Well, couldn't they still study the reapers even though they are destroyed? Also, they could still potentially find other ways to travel around the galaxy without the relays.

Very true, but the tech would be destroyed so it would take longer. I doubt it would be impossible entirely to rebuild the relays. 

And the fact that the relays overloaded, not went supernova. There are parts of the relays floating around space, they could still study them and figure out how they work. Maybe the survivors don't starve to death after all?

And I am reminded of another thing! My memory is being jogged by you all. Starvation isn't a problem. As for the relay parts, yeah I assume that could be used too. 

You see, it's starting to make some sense now. Some sense. I wish this was all implied in the actual endings. We are gamers, we play games to be entertained not make up theories that may or may not be correct. 

Here is a question thats bothering me, may be a silly one. You said its possible to reunite with the crew, but what about your LI? If it's Garrus or Tali. Can you find the normandy in time before they end up dying from starvation or infections of some sort?

[hoorayforicecream]

Joeybsmooth4 wrote...

Very few people liked the ending, and I hate that they imply that most of the people that did not like the ending were to dumb to understand it . That is just yet another slap in the face.

They imply that they didn't do a good enough job of conveying what the ending *was*, and as such it was misinterpreted. They thought that they had sufficiently hinted at what it was they wanted to do, but they didn't. So they're trying to fill in the gaps. This is what happens when you don't get the whole story - you take select quotes out of context and then people jump to the wrong conclusions.

But whatever. If you still want to be personally offended by this, be my guest.