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[Cogneter]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

There are three groups, people who liked the ending, those who were just confused and didn't get answers so they got angry, and people who were angry because they didn't like the ending. In the closure DLC, they are aiming to make the people who were confused happy. They know they can't make everyone happy, so they want to please as many people as possible.

So, you want to please as many people as possible by making 1% + additional possible 15% happy, while disregarding 84% players who only want the ending with no starkid?

That's an interesting choice.

[The Interloper]

Interesting. If they actually fleshed the endings out and framed the choice in a way that makes sense, that's the sort of trade off I can get behind (crew vs galaxy). As long as your other choices still factor in at least in part.

But how the bloody hell are they going to explain Joker's run? I still don't see this working without the actual ending sequence (not just the epilogue) being greatly extended. Also you had better not need MP for shep to live.

Cogneter wrote...

So, you want to please as many people as possible by making 1% + additional possible 15% happy, while disregarding 84% players who only want the ending with no starkid?

That's an interesting choice.

Because then they don't have to work so hard, silly.

Modifié par The Interloper, 09 avril 2012 - 07:21 .

[Kanon777]

Omega Torsk wrote...

DOYOURLABS wrote...

They also all but confirmed that in Destroy endings if you are alive you can reunite with the crew but cannot rebuild the relays (quickly at least, as reaper tech is destroyed) and in Control you cannot reunite with your crew but can rebuild the relays quickly. Synthesis remains a mystery. THE RELAYS DO NOT SUPERNOVA.

Since I can't show you my reaction to this news, I'll have Nic Cage do it for me:

Your avatar disturbs me

[AllThatJazz]

Nimrodell wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

Nimrodell wrote...

Destroy with Shepard being alive will be considered the "golden ending" to many.

So, basically, all players that play only single player become suckers because they are unable to get that ending no matter how good they are in SP. I just hope this won't get to pass. If they remove EMS from SP, then it's a valid thing but otherwise... it would be utterly disrespectful to all those who believed their claims that SP experience won't suffer because of MP implementation. I see that Jarret Lee's sticky is removed (finally) and I do hope BW will correct things when it comes to ending and SP vs MP department. No one should be punished for not wanting to play MP.

You can get all ending in SP, your choices are constrained but they didnt lie that single players have acess to all endings...

edit

Sorry, but you can't reach 4000 EMS in SP in order to have your Shepard survivng the 'Destroy' option - there are just enough assets in game itself no matter how hard you try and I'm one of the completionists - always was, always will be - meaning, only SP players will be excluded if this thing with 'Destroy' ending is true. And to be honest, after 10 years in MMO's and multiplayers, I really don't like the idea of someone forcing me to play something that is other than SP - it's my leisure time and ME so far was SP and I did believe them when they introduced MP and said it won't affect SP experience if you play your cards right - what's the purpose of all side quests through whole 3 games if one can just boost score through MP? Why even bother with side quests? But I digress... If BW removes EMS from those who play SP, then it'll be OK in terms - we're not forcing you to play multiplayer because ME was never about MP.

Certainly agree with this. It will definitely not be okay if single players cannot get the Shep lives to be reunited with crew ending. But I still like the idea of the best ending being the hardest to achieve (ie playing as completionist) They could do this fairly easily, surely, by adjusting the value of certain war assets to push SP'ers above the 4000 EMS threshold, or by reducing the 'best ending' threshold itself slightly - to, say, 3600 (which is quite high but still manageable in SP alone).

Eh, the catalyst will never be a brilliant plot device - but I do think it's possible to create a more uplifting ending by filling in the gaps and having some decent epilogue sequences, particularly if those sequences can reflect the choices we've made throughout the game and possibly show Shep with friends and/or LI. I also think it's possible to make a bit more of the catalyst than there currently is - more convo options etc.

Between your experiences, DOYOURLABS, and the guy who spoke to Patrick Weekes, I am becoming more hopeful that we'll at least get an ending that will seem less depressing to many people. Thanks for taking the time to post, OP

Edit: Also, as ashamed as I am to admit it, yes, getting rid of the Starchild nonsense is vastly, vastly, VASTLY less important to me than margaritas on a beach with Garrus. I am that shallow  

Modifié par AllThatJazz, 09 avril 2012 - 07:24 .

[Erixxxx]

Cogneter wrote...

DOYOURLABS wrote...

There are three groups, people who liked the ending, those who were just confused and didn't get answers so they got angry, and people who were angry because they didn't like the ending. In the closure DLC, they are aiming to make the people who were confused happy. They know they can't make everyone happy, so they want to please as many people as possible.

So, you want to please as many people as possible by making 1% + additional possible 15% happy, while disregarding 84% players who only want the ending with no starkid?

That's an interesting choice.

Since when has polls on one forum on the internet held the absolute truth of the world. Especially when one group feels strongly about one thing and tries to bash everyone down who feels differently. Which there has been a lot of on these forums the past month.

[Omega Torsk]

tobito113 wrote...

Omega Torsk wrote...

*snip*

Your avatar disturbs me

Well, your "Shepard deserves better fans" siggy disturbs me, so I think we're even! Lol

Besides, Blond Kaidan is starting a revolution! A radical one!

edit: Added context to which siggy I was referring to since it was recently changed.

Modifié par Omega Torsk, 11 avril 2012 - 07:21 .

[MaximizedAction]

Cogneter wrote...

DOYOURLABS wrote...

There are three groups, people who liked the ending, those who were just confused and didn't get answers so they got angry, and people who were angry because they didn't like the ending. In the closure DLC, they are aiming to make the people who were confused happy. They know they can't make everyone happy, so they want to please as many people as possible.

So, you want to please as many people as possible by making 1% + additional possible 15% happy, while disregarding 84% players who only want the ending with no starkid?

That's an interesting choice.

whoa...

Also, this social.bioware.com/1891201/polls/31809/ for further clarification of the results.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 09 avril 2012 - 07:23 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Erixxxx wrote...

Cogneter wrote...

DOYOURLABS wrote...

There are three groups, people who liked the ending, those who were just confused and didn't get answers so they got angry, and people who were angry because they didn't like the ending. In the closure DLC, they are aiming to make the people who were confused happy. They know they can't make everyone happy, so they want to please as many people as possible.

So, you want to please as many people as possible by making 1% + additional possible 15% happy, while disregarding 84% players who only want the ending with no starkid?

That's an interesting choice.

Since when has polls on one forum on the internet held the absolute truth of the world. Especially when one group feels strongly about one thing and tries to bash everyone down who feels differently. Which there has been a lot of on these forums the past month.

It's an indicator.

[MaximizedAction]

Opsrbest wrote...

This thread makes me sad. If anything the OP posted is true to any degree it means I'm going to, because everyone no matter what they say is going to download the dlc, have to sit and watch as I get an ending explained to me like I'm two years old.

Bad told joke is a bad joke. No further explaination will make it as good as it may have been.

[Necrotron]

Interesting, and everything I suspected so far from reading their ending DLC FAQ.

I really hope they address the catalyst somehow. Somehow, make it so Shepard has reason to understand that he can/should agree to pick one of those choices rather than outright want to reject the catalyst's attempt to mind control him. Or something to point out the fact that he just brokered peace with the Geth/Quarians.

Also, I liked what Allan (Bioware DA guy) posted in another thread about having an option to reject the catalyst's ideas and just try and fight the Reapers conventionally and die, but have time to preserve our knowledge for a future cycle in a time capsle. That is a great idea for those who find the three choices reprehensible morally in some way (Destroy, Synthesis) or foolish to choose (Control).

Modifié par Bathaius, 09 avril 2012 - 07:33 .

[Kanon777]

Omega Torsk wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

Omega Torsk wrote...

*snip*

Your avatar disturbs me

Well, your siggy disturbs me, so I think we're even! Lol

Besides, Blond Kaidan is starting a revolution! A radical one!

Modifié par tobito113, 09 avril 2012 - 07:37 .

[Erixxxx]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

It's an indicator.

Yes, of what the internet thinks. Many of my friends have completely abandoned these boards because of how vile people have been in here the last month. Some of those like the endings, some of those don't. Either way, a lot of people's personal and varied opinions aren't so easily deduced from a poll. It may be an indicator, but anyone taking it as an absolute truth is fooling themselves. And it seems a few people feel that way. 

[devSin]

Omega Torsk wrote...

Since I can't show you my reaction to this news, I'll have Nic Cage do it for me:

Note the part where he said "Community Manager".

That means it was Jessica, and that means it's essentially meaningless as far as what will actually happen.

Probably you're going to need a different Nicholas Cage for your reaction.

[The Night Mammoth]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

Senior Writer- Their vision was essentially what you saw, but with more focus on the details. They wanted players to use their lore knowledge and look carefully at the subtle differences in the endings to piece together what happened. They were running out of resources (maybe money, maybe time) so they could not as effectively represent that.

So, they actually............ *sigh*. 

The finale of one of gaming's greatest strories, ranked up there with Halo, and Zelda, and Half Life in terms of skope, was intentionally vague to promote speculation. 

In layman's terms - they tried to be clever, but ran out of brains. 

Why they couldn't have just ended the ****ing game simply with an epic battle like the Suicide Mission IS BEYOND MY ****ING COMPREHENSION. 

Community Manager- They will not make a new ending, because that would be unfair to the people who liked the ending.

IT'S CALLED DLC. 

[Omega Torsk]

devSin wrote...

Omega Torsk wrote...

Since I can't show you my reaction to this news, I'll have Nic Cage do it for me:

Note the part where he said "Community Manager".

That means it was Jessica, and that means it's essentially meaningless as far as what will actually happen.

Probably you're going to need a different Nicholas Cage for your reaction.

*scratches head; snaps fingers*

[MaximizedAction]

^ I've been waiting for this one

[Zuka999]

Erixxxx wrote...

Zuka999 wrote...

... being of light?

I'm done. They just crossed the line into fantasy. Any further games and content are dead to me.

You have obviously never watched Stargate and the like.

Good thing this isn't.. Stargate?

[MaximizedAction]

Zuka999 wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

Zuka999 wrote...

... being of light?

I'm done. They just crossed the line into fantasy. Any further games and content are dead to me.

You have obviously never watched Stargate and the like.

Good thing this isn't.. Stargate?

Neither is it Mass Effect anymore as we knew it...

[Spartas Husky]

DOYOURLABS wrote...
. They said: "In 200 years, there won't be a Casey Hudson to tell you what happened, so ME3 has to do it itself."

no he'll be remember for the ....  can't find a polite word to describe his complete and utter lack of the most miniscule form of common sense... so anyways he'll be remember as the one who screwed it up.

Thank you for all your hard work Casey.

[Zuka999]

Ugh, literally they could have done everything exactly the same and just excluded the stupid StarBrat. WHY DID THEY DO THIS? Its infuriating! Why did this debacle have to happen to Mass Effect of all things? Why not some other franchise? Come on, man! You guys are killing dreams!

[hwf]

Thank you very much DOYOURLABS!

See, if this is the direction they're taking and spending three to four months polished it they're good.
We'll require happy ending epilogues for destroy and mourning scenes and tears of LIs for the ultimate sacrifice that Shepard made but if those and all the epilogues for races and other interesting side characters and major characters are covered - then Bioware and their audience should be good.

If this is indeed what I think it'll be it's a hybrid of Indoctrination Theory and face-value ending; it can work -- and with a bit of mind gymnastics I might like it a lot.
I'll still have minor gripes with how Cerberus was handled and not fleshed out enough, including the Illusive Man, but it'll do.

Yeah I'll take this. Polish it to a mirror shine guys 'n gals!

[Erixxxx]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Zuka999 wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

Zuka999 wrote...

... being of light?

I'm done. They just crossed the line into fantasy. Any further games and content are dead to me.

You have obviously never watched Stargate and the like.

Good thing this isn't.. Stargate?

Neither is it Mass Effect anymore as we knew it...

2001 then? Wouldn't be the first time Bioware has taken some inspiration from Arthur C. Clarke's stories.

[TransientNomad]

Erixxxx wrote...

Cogneter wrote...

DOYOURLABS wrote...

There are three groups, people who liked the ending, those who were just confused and didn't get answers so they got angry, and people who were angry because they didn't like the ending. In the closure DLC, they are aiming to make the people who were confused happy. They know they can't make everyone happy, so they want to please as many people as possible.

So, you want to please as many people as possible by making 1% + additional possible 15% happy, while disregarding 84% players who only want the ending with no starkid?

That's an interesting choice.

Since when has polls on one forum on the internet held the absolute truth of the world. Especially when one group feels strongly about one thing and tries to bash everyone down who feels differently. Which there has been a lot of on these forums the past month.

Fair enough.  Can you show me a poll, be it on this one or any other, that says anything differently?  Thing is, these polls are the only thing we have to go off of.  I would agree with you if it was close to a 50/50 rate and jump right on the "vocal minority" bandwagon.  But 80/20?  With thousands taking the time to vote?  Not so much.