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[Peete]

 Some time ago there was a thread about what you would do if you became the owner of Bioware. Alot of the replies included firing Casey Hudson. I would post in that thread but I don't want to necro.

Today I finished Knights of the Old Republic. I thought the ending a bit lacking (nothing compared to ME3) but overall I thought it a great game. Casey Hudson Was the Director of that game (that's Wikipedia terminology - I believe he's refered to as "lead project manager" in the game).

That's why I think firing Casey Hudson would be a major mistake. If he wrote the ME 3 ending he screwed up - it happens. But it seems to me that he has a lot of good to offer.

Thoughts? 

[spiriticon]

I don't think that Casey Hudson was to blame totally. He did the best he could with whatever resources he had left.

It's clear that time and money were running out towards the end.

[CrutchCricket]

No need to fire him. But never leave him and the game script alone in the same room... because he will "take advantage" of it...

[10K]

I wouldn't fire Casey. Though I would liberate the company from the hold of EA.

[Abisco]

Jumping to "FIRE HIM" is a bit ridiculous.

[Leafs43]

KotOR was due to a great IP idea. The game practically wrote itself because of an already established universe.

[Menalaos1971]

The biggest issue I have with Casey Hudson is his great Lie. He said before ME3 was released that we wouldn't get some "Choose A, B, or C" ending to the game, and that's exactly what we got. Pretty much all of the pre-launch press that referred to the Ending were flat out, bold faced lies.

[Norskebanan]

if there's one clichéd universal theme that anyone can observe in Mass Effect, it's that a team collaboration consisting talented individuals is superior to one or two talented individuals working in isolation.

[phat0817]

There not going to fire him.

[Daedalus1773]

Peete wrote...

 Some time ago there was a thread about what you would do if you became the owner of Bioware. Alot of the replies included firing Casey Hudson. I would post in that thread but I don't want to necro.

Today I finished Knights of the Old Republic. I thought the ending a bit lacking (nothing compared to ME3) but overall I thought it a great game. Casey Hudson Was the Director of that game (that's Wikipedia terminology - I believe he's refered to as "lead project manager" in the game).

That's why I think firing Casey Hudson would be a major mistake. If he wrote the ME 3 ending he screwed up - it happens. But it seems to me that he has a lot of good to offer.

Thoughts? 

Everybody makes mistakes. People shouldn't be crucified for making them.

Not everyone can own up to their mistakes. Sadly, it seems Mr. Hudson falls into this category. This is something he deserves deep & lasting criticism for.

[Hudathan]

There would be no Mass Effect without Casey Hudson, period.

[viperabyss]

I think the alleged Weekes leaks a while back might put it best.

Casey is really smart and really analytical. And the problem is that when he's not checked, he will assume that other people are like him, and will really appreciate an almost completely unemotional intellectual ending.

I think the problem with him in this ME3 debacle is that the ending was allegedly written by him and Mac Walters, without any input from the writing team. Of course now that everything has blown up, and people are out for blood, it is obvious they will turn to somebody who was allegedly the one messing everything up by not asking it to be peer-reviewed.

Personally I don't think firing him would be a good idea, but I do support someone else who understands better the customers' (namely, us) needs to be the project leader.

[Sparse]

I don't think the project manager is God you know. There will have been people above Casey Hudson who were supposed to be keeping an eye on things, the buck should stop with them.

[CrazyBirdman]

Fire the guy who lead the development of KOTOR and the Mass Effect series. Yeah, EA and BioWare are totally gonna do that. Reagrdless of what you think of Mass Effect 3's ending he was and important part of the development of one of the best modern trilogys. If you always fire the Creative Director if the game is not absolutly perfect you will run out of these guys pretty fast.

[leimana]

Menalaos1971 wrote...

The biggest issue I have with Casey Hudson is his great Lie. He said before ME3 was released that we wouldn't get some "Choose A, B, or C" ending to the game, and that's exactly what we got. Pretty much all of the pre-launch press that referred to the Ending were flat out, bold faced lies.

I agree on this point except we got an A1, A2, A3 ending imo <_<. I think Bioware has done really great work but this ending is so fail. THe whole game up till the end was fantastic imo. 

Anyways, No I would not fire him, but I would order a whole new ending for ME3 (or make an ME4 based off Ind. theory and give it away for free to all who own ME3). 

[Askanison666]

Sparse wrote...

I don't think the project manager is God you know. There will have been people above Casey Hudson who were supposed to be keeping an eye on things, the buck should stop with them.

Agreed. While some of the blame is likely Mr. Hudsons, he certainly doesn't deserve sole blame. Being one of the more public faces of the Mass Effect franchise though definitely takes much of the criticism away from those above him.

[Menalaos1971]

leimana wrote...

Menalaos1971 wrote...

The biggest issue I have with Casey Hudson is his great Lie. He said before ME3 was released that we wouldn't get some "Choose A, B, or C" ending to the game, and that's exactly what we got. Pretty much all of the pre-launch press that referred to the Ending were flat out, bold faced lies.

I agree on this point except we got an A1, A2, A3 ending imo <_<. I think Bioware has done really great work but this ending is so fail. THe whole game up till the end was fantastic imo. 

Anyways, No I would not fire him, but I would order a whole new ending for ME3 (or make an ME4 based off Ind. theory and give it away for free to all who own ME3). 

Point taken, and you're right.  They really are three flavors of the same ending.

[JesseLee202]

Hudathan wrote...

There would be no Mass Effect without Casey Hudson, period.

So what? Just because he "made" it doesn't mean its alright to completely ruin the series... like the Star Wars prequels, remember them?

[Marta Rio II]

I don't think that he's going to be fired.  I also don't think the EA suits are going to let him be the "director" (or whatever the proper terminology is) of whatever Bioware has next in the pipeline.  He (along with Mac) are clearly the scapegoats for all of this recent backlash, so unless Muzyka or someone else high within the company goes to bat for him, I'm guessing he's not going to be the lead of the next major Bioware game.

Which, as much as we're complaining about him now, might actually be a bad thing.  He did things right on KOTOR, he did a solid job for 99% of the ME trilogy.  There were some unfortunate mistruths regarding the endings, which yes, he shoud be taken to task for.  But I don't think he's a bad game developer, and he's definitely a part of the "old guard" of Bioware, i.e. people that have been with the company for a long time and have a good track record.

I'm just speculating here, but I'm guessing that if a guy like Casey goes (or gets demoted), he's going to be replaced with someone who is more amenable to EA's way of doing business.  Which I think can only be a bad thing for us consumers.

Modifié par Marta Rio II, 09 avril 2012 - 06:13 .

[The Angry One]

Hudathan wrote...

There would be no Mass Effect without Casey Hudson, period.

If he has no respect for his own legacy, why do you expect anyone else to?

[PSUHammer]

Except he doesn't think it is "ruined" (and neither do I, for what little it's worth). No matter how it ended, some people would have hated it. The series is fantastic and the outrage has been over the top, but he is still one of the best game designers out there.

[curufinwe03]

The Angry One wrote...

Hudathan wrote...

There would be no Mass Effect without Casey Hudson, period.

If he has no respect for his own legacy, why do you expect anyone else to?

Casey Hudson behavior is hard to understand. Either he has been told by his superiors to remain silent after his controverse statements or he has turned into ... Howard Hughes.

Modifié par curufinwe03, 09 avril 2012 - 06:18 .

[Hudathan]

The Angry One wrote...

Hudathan wrote...

There would be no Mass Effect without Casey Hudson, period.

If he has no respect for his own legacy, why do you expect anyone else to?

That's your opinion.

[katamuro]

maybe demoting him is the best idea, to show that failure is not tolerated yet he can strive to do better. What i think is the worst is that he and others are defending that ****** poor "artistic vision" when it was ripped off from deus ex HR. Really.

[Rheinlandman]

Hudathan wrote...

There would be no Mass Effect without Casey Hudson, period.

He is a project manager; he was involved sure, but he didn't write the whole damn universe.

Furthermore, his mismanagement of ME3 indicates that he may not be the best choice for the continued development of the IP.

Modifié par Rheinlandman, 09 avril 2012 - 06:23 .