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[The Angry One]

Hudathan wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Hudathan wrote...

There would be no Mass Effect without Casey Hudson, period.

If he has no respect for his own legacy, why do you expect anyone else to?

That's your opinion.

No, that is fact. The ending utterly violates the core themes of Mass Effect. It turns Shepard into everything the fought against.
It maliciously destroys a budding sci-fi universe for no good reason.

[Iwillbeback]

I feel it is unfair to point all the blame to him.

EA
The co-founders
And Mac Walters are also to blame for.

[veramis]

I don't think he has his head screwed on right.

[PhotonMaze]

Leafs43 wrote...

KotOR was due to a great IP idea. The game practically wrote itself because of an already established universe.

And that's why Kinect Star Wars is a masterpeice....

[Hudathan]

The Angry One wrote...

No, that is fact. The ending utterly violates the core themes of Mass Effect. It turns Shepard into everything the fought against.
It maliciously destroys a budding sci-fi universe for no good reason.

Your opinion is not fact to me, sorry. Believe what you want to believe.

[jdi_knght]

Menalaos1971 wrote...

The biggest issue I have with Casey Hudson is his great Lie. He said before ME3 was released that we wouldn't get some "Choose A, B, or C" ending to the game, and that's exactly what we got. Pretty much all of the pre-launch press that referred to the Ending were flat out, bold faced lies.

When was the statement made?

Just asking because if it's before the ending was done, it could very well have been the initial intention. Things do change (another BW example being that in SWTOR BW was clear that companions could be killed, though that ended up changing during testing).

If that was the case, backlash over "but you said...." just means we'll have fewer tidbits coming from devs during development, since I'd imagine getting bit by the player-base over something changing probably isn't fun.


Not saying that's necessarily what happened (hey, maybe he was like "lolol you'll never believe what I just told the community"), but I'm generally apt to giving BioWare's devs, Casey Hudson included, the benefit-of-the-doubt.

Modifié par jdi_knght, 09 avril 2012 - 06:31 .

[Gaskets]

Hudson isn't the problem, it's EA which is practically poison. I have never come across a company which is more toxic and unscrupulous. The most frustrating thing about all this is that Bioware is more than capable of epic writing and story telling, they've done it many a time before and I dare say they will do it again. The whole ending ordeal was just so unecessary, I still don't understand how they didn't see the controversy coming.

[PhotonMaze]

Casey Hudson seems like an amazing developer to me.. If you read the Final Hours of Mass Effect you will know that he is an extremely hardworking, intelligent guy and from the interviews I've seen, he also seems like a really nice guy.

Even if he did completely **** up the ending to ME3, his other works are IMO masterpeices. You've atleast got to give him credit for creating Mass Effect.....

[The Angry One]

Hudathan wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

No, that is fact. The ending utterly violates the core themes of Mass Effect. It turns Shepard into everything the fought against.
It maliciously destroys a budding sci-fi universe for no good reason.

Your opinion is not fact to me, sorry. Believe what you want to believe.

That's good. Too bad it's not opinion.

[Leafs43]

PhotonMaze wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

KotOR was due to a great IP idea. The game practically wrote itself because of an already established universe.

And that's why Kinect Star Wars is a masterpeice....

Kinect Star Wars is a terrible idea even before it was released.

[PhotonMaze]

The Angry One wrote...

Hudathan wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

No, that is fact. The ending utterly violates the core themes of Mass Effect. It turns Shepard into everything the fought against.
It maliciously destroys a budding sci-fi universe for no good reason.

Your opinion is not fact to me, sorry. Believe what you want to believe.

That's good. Too bad it's not opinion.

It's unmeasurable, so actually it isn't a fact....

[Bored at 3AM]

curufinwe03 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Hudathan wrote...

There would be no Mass Effect without Casey Hudson, period.

If he has no respect for his own legacy, why do you expect anyone else to?

Casey Hudson behavior is hard to understand. Either he has been told by his superiors to remain silent after his controverse statements or he has turned into ... Howard Hughes.

Or he's too busy busting his ass working on the Extended Cut and DLC to have either the time or interest to waste his energy trying to placate a few thousand guys on the internet who've been burning him in effigy for the past month because the last 10 minutes of Mass Effect 3 wasn't good enough.

If I were him, I'd keep my head down and let my work speak for itself too.

Seriously, this guy has ate, slept and bled nothing but Mass Effect for the past seven years and the moment he stumbles a bit crossing the finish line, the angry manchild that is the internet decides to make him their new chewtoy.

He deserves better.

[Senario]

When the S*** hits the fan, somebody must be fired. Usually the person people blame is the one who had the most influence/highest rank in the project of thing the people are complaining about. This happens to be Casey Hudson and Mac Walters.

As for if he needs to be fired? Depends, did they really not do peer review? Are they listening to fans (rhetorical, answer is no)? ect. That is Bioware's decision and if I was in charge of Bioware, I'd follow bethesda and retcon the ending because if you like the current ending, you just DON'T DOWNLOAD THE DLC PERIOD

Modifié par Senario, 09 avril 2012 - 06:36 .

[Alamar2078]

If it matters I didn't say that I'd fire ANYBODY. What I would do though is call an emergency head of department meeting with ME3 and find out the REAL story about what was going on. I would find out people's reasoning behing the hype & prelaunch statements and how they meshed with the endings.

I'd then meet with legal & designers & such and find out what we can do and what we can't do.

Note: The more I hear indirect info from BW people the more I am lead to assume that EA forced their hands and they had to play ball or face the music.

[Kub666]

Menalaos1971 wrote...

The biggest issue I have with Casey Hudson is his great Lie. He said before ME3 was released that we wouldn't get some "Choose A, B, or C" ending to the game, and that's exactly what we got. Pretty much all of the pre-launch press that referred to the Ending were flat out, bold faced lies.

Yep, that's what irritates me the most too. And apparently he is not man enough to actually comment on this now or say "sorry I misled you guys" or "sorry we run out of money and had to do ****ty ending". I guess people just don't like being lied to, who would have known??

[warrior256]

They don't need to fire him in my opinion. They just need to get him off of his high horse and get him to stop lying to us.

[veramis]

Whenever I think of Hudson, I think of an ME3 presentation he did, where it is showing Shepard in a truck being chased by a reaper. His face had that serious look like this was supposed to impress us or something. I care about Mass Effect for the story, not silly fight scenes. When I did that scene I didn't shoot a single time and nothing bad happened either .

I believe the reason why Hudson and Walters wanted to do the ending with no input from others was simply because for much of their careers others had been editing their work because they are so incompetent. Then they wanted to prove to others that they had competence, by showing the whole world their art. Sadly nobody cares for their art.

[Menalaos1971]

jdi_knght wrote...

Menalaos1971 wrote...

The biggest issue I have with Casey Hudson is his great Lie. He said before ME3 was released that we wouldn't get some "Choose A, B, or C" ending to the game, and that's exactly what we got. Pretty much all of the pre-launch press that referred to the Ending were flat out, bold faced lies.

When was the statement made?

Just asking because if it's before the ending was done, it could very well have been the initial intention. Things do change (another BW example being that in SWTOR BW was clear that companions could be killed, though that ended up changing during testing).

If that was the case, backlash over "but you said...." just means we'll have fewer tidbits coming from devs during development, since I'd imagine getting bit by the player-base over something changing probably isn't fun.


Not saying that's necessarily what happened (hey, maybe he was like "lolol you'll never believe what I just told the community"), but I'm generally apt to giving BioWare's devs, Casey Hudson included, the benefit-of-the-doubt.

Here.  There are a large number of other Bioware quotes about the ending, but this is the one I specifically referenced.  This was less than two months before the game was released.  The Ending would have been done by then...

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director) 1/10/12
http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2

Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”

Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them.”

“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player decide what your story is.”

[Gibsn]

If I had my choice of anyone to make a game for me I sure wouldn't pick him, but no he doesn't need to fired. He'll learn from this mistake.

[curufinwe03]

Bored at 3AM wrote...

curufinwe03 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Hudathan wrote...

There would be no Mass Effect without Casey Hudson, period.

If he has no respect for his own legacy, why do you expect anyone else to?

Casey Hudson behavior is hard to understand. Either he has been told by his superiors to remain silent after his controverse statements or he has turned into ... Howard Hughes.

Or he's too busy busting his ass working on the Extended Cut and DLC to have either the time or interest to waste his energy trying to placate a few thousand guys on the internet who've been burning him in effigy for the past month because the last 10 minutes of Mass Effect 3 wasn't good enough.

If I were him, I'd keep my head down and let my work speak for itself too.

Seriously, this guy has ate, slept and bled nothing but Mass Effect for the past seven years and the moment he stumbles a bit crossing the finish line, the angry manchild that is the internet decides to make him their new chewtoy.

He deserves better.

I have great respect for Casey Hudsons work of the last years. But the two statements he made after the release are very strange, and that only " a few thousand" guys on the internet are upset is just not true. Critic on the internet can be - and is - often cruel and unjust. But there is also warrented critic and if a creator stands100% behind his work I would expect that defends it or at least explains it.

Modifié par curufinwe03, 09 avril 2012 - 06:46 .

[Gemini1179]

spiriticon wrote...

I don't think that Casey Hudson was to blame totally. He did the best he could with whatever resources he had left.

It's clear that time and money were running out towards the end.

In the end this. Though I wish he had stood up and said, "No, it's not ready. We need more time and money."

[nevar00]

Fire him? Nah, but he certainly deserves some backlash. Just go look at that list of quotes he had said before the game released; it'd be amusing if it weren't so sad.

[The Angry One]

Bored at 3AM wrote...

curufinwe03 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Hudathan wrote...

There would be no Mass Effect without Casey Hudson, period.

If he has no respect for his own legacy, why do you expect anyone else to?

Casey Hudson behavior is hard to understand. Either he has been told by his superiors to remain silent after his controverse statements or he has turned into ... Howard Hughes.

Or he's too busy busting his ass working on the Extended Cut and DLC to have either the time or interest to waste his energy trying to placate a few thousand guys on the internet who've been burning him in effigy for the past month because the last 10 minutes of Mass Effect 3 wasn't good enough.

If I were him, I'd keep my head down and let my work speak for itself too.

Seriously, this guy has ate, slept and bled nothing but Mass Effect for the past seven years and the moment he stumbles a bit crossing the finish line, the angry manchild that is the internet decides to make him their new chewtoy.

He deserves better.

Did he do all this for free? No, and thanks to his creations he is successful and well off.
So no, I really don't care about these calls for pity. He promised a certain type of product, and then knowingly gave us something else.

[Jim Darksworn]

He lied too many times in pre release interviews for me to have any sympathy for him.

[nitefyre410]

Senario wrote...

When the S*** hits the fan, somebody must be fired. Usually the person people blame is the one who had the most influence/highest rank in the project of thing the people are complaining about. This happens to be Casey Hudson and Mac Walters.

As for if he needs to be fired? Depends, did they really not do peer review? Are they listening to fans (rhetorical, answer is no)? ect. That is Bioware's decision and if I was in charge of Bioware, I'd follow bethesda and retcon the ending because if you like the current ending, you just DON'T DOWNLOAD THE DLC PERIOD

 

^this-  something happend, communication  breakdown, mistakes were made how everyone you want to call it. 

Alamar2078 wrote...

If it matters I didn't say that I'd fire ANYBODY. What I would do though is call an emergency head of department meeting with ME3 and find out the REAL story about what was going on. I would find out people's reasoning behing the hype & prelaunch statements and how they meshed with the endings.

I'd then meet with legal & designers & such and find out what we can do and what we can't do.

Note: The more I hear indirect info from BW people the more I am lead to assume that EA forced their hands and they had to play ball or face the music.

   

Your course is  correct gathers as much information as possible about what really happened then make a decision.  Though unlike you - I am starting to less and less sympathtic to the "Evil EA" arguement Bioware knew the deal when the signed the dotted line... there comes a point when they just have to own up but thats besides the point. 

Really in the end if you put yourself in the Boss's shoes... Dispite their  career and the good titles they both have created. Casey Hudson  and Mac Walters are going to down as the leads the killed Mass Effect 3 and created what is considered by some to be the worst ending in video game history...  Do you want their names attached to any games in the near future or distant  future?   

Fair  or unfair that is discussion that  has to be had  - to not do so would be foolhardy. This is not personal at all, it simply is what it is. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 09 avril 2012 - 07:09 .