227 réponses à ce sujet

[Muhvitus]

It is just starting to be a bad trend. DA 2, while it was OK it was worse direction than DA:O. ME3, while it was good, there were parts that felt unfisnished or just bad quality control. SWTOR, while i've only played beta, it really wasn't anything special, it was same old with star wars backround.

Is this the future trend, slow decline to the mediocricity.. I hope they come up with something really damn good on their next try or their reputation will start to vanish.

[HenchxNarf]

The Angry One wrote...

Hudathan wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Hudathan wrote...

There would be no Mass Effect without Casey Hudson, period.

If he has no respect for his own legacy, why do you expect anyone else to?

That's your opinion.

No, that is fact. The ending utterly violates the core themes of Mass Effect. It turns Shepard into everything the fought against.
It maliciously destroys a budding sci-fi universe for no good reason.

Stating that it is fact does not make it so. Those are all opinions, which are true to you, but not in real life. The ending was bad to you and that's fine, but don't go spewing lies just to try and make your opinion a fact.

Hudathan is right. Hudson created ME, without him there wouldn't have been these awesome games.

And no, it didn't turn Shepard into everything he fought against and it definately did not ruin the universe.

Modifié par HenchxNarf, 09 avril 2012 - 06:57 .

[Erixxxx]

Hudathan wrote...

There would be no Mass Effect without Casey Hudson, period.

[Wifflebottom]

He shouldn't be fired but he also shouldn't have lied, that's just no cool man

[The Angry One]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Stating that it is fact does not make it so. Those are all opinions, which are true to you, but not in real life. The ending was bad to you and that's fine, but don't go spewing lies just to try and make your opinion a fact.

No, it's bad for Mass Effect. Period. Whether one likes it in spite of that is an opinion.

Hudathan is right. Hudson created ME, without him there wouldn't have been these awesome games.

He's been suitably credited, paid for and acclaimed for his work. Stop acting like he's owed the world.
If he had not decided to completely disregard it all in the last 5 minutes, we'd all still be praising him.

And no, it didn't turn Shepard into everything he fought against and it definately did not ruin the universe.

"Is submission not preferable to extinction?"

[Peete]

Wifflebottom wrote...

He shouldn't be fired but he also shouldn't have lied, that's just no cool man

The average human being lies about 10 times a day I've heard.

I believe that he had wanted to do more but that resources dried up.  I don't know. I just consider KOTOR a master piece.

[UrgentArchengel]

Exactly, it was a stupid call on his part, but it does happen, and now they will savage it and hopefully make it better now that the whole team is working on it. Just inflated ego, it happens to all of us.

[Muhvitus]

Well, if you play the games you can note that certain elements come up in every part of the game. Then last 10 minutes brings up somethng totally new without any precedent and makes you pick one of three choices that have no connection to anything you have done previous 100 hours. You can spin it any way you want but it doesn't make it any better or reasonable. It is just badly done.

[Hudathan]

The Angry One wrote...

No, it's bad for Mass Effect. Period. Whether one likes it in spite of that is an opinion.

No, THAT's an opinion. Period.

Muhvitus wrote...

Well, if you play the games you can note that certain elements come up in every part of the game. Then last 10 minutes brings up somethng totally new without any precedent and makes you pick one of three choices that have no connection to anything you have done previous 100 hours. You can spin it any way you want but it doesn't make it any better or reasonable. It is just badly done.

Saren/Sovereign/TIM/Legion/EDI/Mordin/Javik/Quarians/Geth/Krogans/Salarians/every other plot point in the series would like to have a word with you.

Modifié par Hudathan, 09 avril 2012 - 07:05 .

[HenchxNarf]

The Angry One wrote...

 Stop acting like he's owed the world.

Stop acting like your words are law and truth. And you might want to stop assuming, as well.

[CrazyRah]

CrutchCricket wrote...

No need to fire him. But never leave him and the game script alone in the same room... because he will "take advantage" of it...

I agree quite much with this

[The Angry One]

HenchxNarf wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

 Stop acting like he's owed the world.

Stop acting like your words are law and truth. And you might want to stop assuming, as well.

The ending is objectively bad. We have made logical arguments as to why this is so.
You have responded to most of them with flames and condescension.

They are not my words. They are the facts.
I'm glad YOU are happy with turning into Saren in the last 5 minutes. I will never be, and that was NOT what Mass Effect was about.

[Silpheed58]

Singling out Casey Hudson is ridiculous.

[mikelope]

I don't get the level of opprobrium he's getting. Disappointment, sure, but hate, no. People are allowed to stumble once in a while especially if you consider how good their previous efforts were. It's like kicking your kid if he suddenly gets an F.

[UrgentArchengel]

PhotonMaze wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

KotOR was due to a great IP idea. The game practically wrote itself because of an already established universe.

And that's why Kinect Star Wars is a masterpeice....

 and that's the last that that monstrosity needs to be brought up. lol.

[Bored at 3AM]

I have great respect for Casey Hudsons work of the last years. But the two statements he made after the release are very strange, and that only " a few thousand" guys on the internet are upset is just not true. Critic on the internet can be - and is - often cruel and unjust. But there is also warrented critic and if a creator stands100% behind his work I would expect that defends it or at least explains it.

Mass Effect 3 sold about 3 million copies. 

If you actually think millions of people are complaining about the ending of the game, you are fooling yourself. Less than half of the people who own the game have even finished it yet.

That brings you down to about 1.5 million, most of whom don't get all the worked up over the end of a video game, good or bad.

That brings us down to about half a million fans who are really into the game and care about the ending to talk about it. And that's being generous. 

Amongst those fans, there isn't even a strong concensus one way or the other about the ending. Some love it, some like it, others are okay with it, some have a couple problems with and so on and so on until you get to the people who are so upset about it that they post online about how terrible it is.

Sorry, but no matter how you cut it, that's only a few thousand really devoted fans and not really representative of most of the people who played Mass Effect 3.

 

[PSUHammer]

I think The Angry One is just angry. Regardless of how much you hate the ending, it doesn't mean your opinions are facts. Only his management can decide if he failed to the point of demotion. And, judging from the profitability and "general" acclaim of this franchise, he succeeded.

Alos, they do deserve credit for offering up DLC after the BSN community cried like spoiled nerds.  They could have just ignored the rage and moved on to the next game, which will sell 3 million+ copies regardless of this ending controversy.

Modifié par Hammer6767, 09 avril 2012 - 07:08 .

[Saeros]

To err is human, but when the eraser wears out ahead of the pencil, you're overdoing it. - Josh Jenkins

[Erixxxx]

The Angry One wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

 Stop acting like he's owed the world.

Stop acting like your words are law and truth. And you might want to stop assuming, as well.

The ending is objectively bad. We have made logical arguments as to why this is so.
You have responded to most of them with flames and condescension.

They are not my words. They are the facts.
I'm glad YOU are happy with turning into Saren in the last 5 minutes. I will never be, and that was NOT what Mass Effect was about.

"We"? Who are "we" in this case? You and the other Retakers?

And are you so determined to stop the Reapers that you are unwilling to consider other alternatives than utter destruction of them?

[Peete]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

PhotonMaze wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

KotOR was due to a great IP idea. The game practically wrote itself because of an already established universe.

And that's why Kinect Star Wars is a masterpeice....

 and that's the last that that monstrosity needs to be brought up. lol.

You'll have to forgive me for asking this but what is Kinect Star Wars?

EDIT nevermind. Googled it. It needs to die and be forgotten.

Modifié par Peete, 09 avril 2012 - 07:07 .

[The Angry One]

Hammer6767 wrote...

I think The Angry One is just angry. Regardless of how much you hate the ending, it doesn't mean your opinions are facts. Only his management can decide if he failed to the point of demotion. And, judging from the profitability and "general" acclaim of this franchise, he succeeded.

You can keep pretending that these are merely my opinions if you want. It won't change the truth.
Also, Hudson's management care only about the bottom line, as long as the game makes money they don't consider it a failure.

[j78]

No matter what he’s paying for this the doc’s and EA are probably making his life a testament to human suffering .But he can’t take all the blame the doc’s and other executives should have paid closer attention to what he was doing .We all know EA’s long term plan is to pimp out this game like a cheap wh*** .I cant imagine them letting him wreck such a huge cash cow .

[EricHVela]

Sloppy work is sloppy work. Sloppy work leads to ridiculous plot holes. Ridiculous plot holes leads to Indoctrination Theory.

Apparently, running out of time and running out of money leads to sloppy work.

That, however, points to a couple of previous EA acquisitions that complained about the same thing in the past. I suspect EA's meddling.

[OMEGAlomaniac]

I would never fire him, he brought us Mass Effect for gods sake. I do feel kinda sorry for the guy, imagine writing an ending that you personally thought was the best way to finish such an amazing series, and then finding out that very few people liked it.

However, I would remind him that locking yourself away from the writers and creative team that helped you create such a universe to write an ending on your own, was a VERY bad descision. And I have a feeling that most of the writing team would agree, and want to make it better. It does seem that they are somewhat trying to rectify the problem, but I remain very sceptical

[The Angry One]

Erixxxx wrote...

"We"? Who are "we" in this case? You and the other Retakers?

Anybody who has objectively analysed the ending with the context of the first two games.

And are you so determined to stop the Reapers that you are unwilling to consider other alternatives than utter destruction of them?

All options are presented by the Catalyst. All options represent capitulation to the Reaper overlord, and a Reaper victory.
All of them.