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[Phategod1]

JesseLee202 wrote...

Hudathan wrote...

There would be no Mass Effect without Casey Hudson, period.

So what? Just because he "made" it doesn't mean its alright to completely ruin the series... like the Star Wars prequels, remember them?

And somehow I don't remember a public outcry for Lucas to redo the Prequel Trilogy, And seeing what he did to the Original Trilogy Lucas would disagree with you.

[Dead_Meat357]

I'm not anti-Casey Hudson. I don't agree with the entire final act of Mass Effect 3, but as a project leader, he's been responsible for bringing 2.9 awesome games to us. This accomplishment should never been forgotten. If it's really true that both he and Mac Walters went off the rails on their own with the ending without any peer review (if that forum post is to be believed) Then I believe he/they need additional oversight to reel them in so they don't make mistakes like this ever again.

[mikelope]

Peete wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

PhotonMaze wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

KotOR was due to a great IP idea. The game practically wrote itself because of an already established universe.

And that's why Kinect Star Wars is a masterpeice....

 and that's the last that that monstrosity needs to be brought up. lol.

You'll have to forgive me for asking this but what is Kinect Star Wars?

EDIT nevermind. Googled it. It needs to die and be forgotten.

Are you kidding, the 'I'm Han Solo' dance is the best thing I've seen in youtube this week. It's a great idea for Mass Effect 4.

[3Minotaur3]

Bored at 3AM wrote...

I have great respect for Casey Hudsons work of the last years. But the two statements he made after the release are very strange, and that only " a few thousand" guys on the internet are upset is just not true. Critic on the internet can be - and is - often cruel and unjust. But there is also warrented critic and if a creator stands100% behind his work I would expect that defends it or at least explains it.

Mass Effect 3 sold about 3 million copies. 

If you actually think millions of people are complaining about the ending of the game, you are fooling yourself. Less than half of the people who own the game have even finished it yet.

That brings you down to about 1.5 million, most of whom don't get all the worked up over the end of a video game, good or bad.

That brings us down to about half a million fans who are really into the game and care about the ending to talk about it. And that's being generous. 

Amongst those fans, there isn't even a strong concensus one way or the other about the ending. Some love it, some like it, others are okay with it, some have a couple problems with and so on and so on until you get to the people who are so upset about it that they post online about how terrible it is.

Sorry, but no matter how you cut it, that's only a few thousand really devoted fans and not really representative of most of the people who played Mass Effect 3.

They may not complains, but how many bring it back to GameStop for another game?...

[Hudathan]

OMEGAlomaniac wrote...

However, I would remind him that locking yourself away from the writers and creative team that helped you create such a universe to write an ending on your own, was a VERY bad descision. And I have a feeling that most of the writing team would agree, and want to make it better. It does seem that they are somewhat trying to rectify the problem, but I remain very sceptical

The only people that could know for sure are the team members who were personally there every step of the way. We don't have the proper information to feel either way about what we think might have happened.

[DiebytheSword]

I think there were a number of things at play here, not just Casey Hudson.

[Squadrito]

Id back hand Casey, and fire the writing team for their "artistic integrity" bs. Bring original writers back.

[Phategod1]

Bored at 3AM wrote...

curufinwe03 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Hudathan wrote...

There would be no Mass Effect without Casey Hudson, period.

If he has no respect for his own legacy, why do you expect anyone else to?

Casey Hudson behavior is hard to understand. Either he has been told by his superiors to remain silent after his controverse statements or he has turned into ... Howard Hughes.

Or he's too busy busting his ass working on the Extended Cut and DLC to have either the time or interest to waste his energy trying to placate a few thousand guys on the internet who've been burning him in effigy for the past month because the last 10 minutes of Mass Effect 3 wasn't good enough.

If I were him, I'd keep my head down and let my work speak for itself too.

Seriously, this guy has ate, slept and bled nothing but Mass Effect for the past seven years and the moment he stumbles a bit crossing the finish line, the angry manchild that is the internet decides to make him their new chewtoy.

He deserves better.

Amen

[UnstableMongoose]

People who are angry immediately go for the most visible name. His name was the first they saw in the credit roll, and they reacted accordingly. Going after Casey Hudson on this matter is usually indicative of not giving the matter a whole lot of thought as a result.

This is sad, but it's the way things work. Mr. Hudson is willing to stick his neck out on these huge projects that are under a lot of pressure to succeed financially, and if things go wrong he's going to take the heat--he doesn't deserve it, but he's in the position where superficial people will be directing their vitriol.

Now, I'm not saying that there aren't people with legitimate reasons to lay blame at Mr. Hudson's door, but they're significantly outnumbered by people who are convinced that "Project Lead" and "Emperor" are the same title.

I think everyone needs to take a step back, count to ten, and take a deep breath.

[PSUHammer]

The Angry One wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

I think The Angry One is just angry. Regardless of how much you hate the ending, it doesn't mean your opinions are facts. Only his management can decide if he failed to the point of demotion. And, judging from the profitability and "general" acclaim of this franchise, he succeeded.

You can keep pretending that these are merely my opinions if you want. It won't change the truth.
Also, Hudson's management care only about the bottom line, as long as the game makes money they don't consider it a failure.

Exactly.  And to compare...I would call Big Rigs:  Over The Road Racing a faliure, not ME3.  

[Ukjack44]

Peete wrote...

 Some time ago there was a thread about what you would do if you became the owner of Bioware. Alot of the replies included firing Casey Hudson. I would post in that thread but I don't want to necro.

Today I finished Knights of the Old Republic. I thought the ending a bit lacking (nothing compared to ME3) but overall I thought it a great game. Casey Hudson Was the Director of that game (that's Wikipedia terminology - I believe he's refered to as "lead project manager" in the game).

That's why I think firing Casey Hudson would be a major mistake. If he wrote the ME 3 ending he screwed up - it happens. But it seems to me that he has a lot of good to offer.

Thoughts? 

I believe Casey Hudson suffer from some form of Custer syndrome(victory disease). All was going well when Casey came in and said I'll take it from here lads! It is understandable he would end it how he wanted to end it, yet it baffles me to why he wouldn't use the resources that created the epic 99% of the trilogy. What ****s me right off though is if my boss did something wrong I would tell him straight. Yet everyone at Bioware loves his idea, or say so in public.

Modifié par Ukjack44, 09 avril 2012 - 07:15 .

[Erixxxx]

nvm, already answered

Modifié par Erixxxx, 09 avril 2012 - 07:15 .

[The Angry One]

DiebytheSword wrote...

I think there were a number of things at play here, not just Casey Hudson.

Likely so, and I for one have never attacked Hudson.
I'm just never going to defend him either. He can take care of himself I'm sure, and BioWare have collectively erased all the good will I had.

[The Interloper]

Past record nor no, Hudson oversaw and approved the ending. I don't know what the circumstances were, but Hudson was still deeply involved. Allegedly he was one of two people who made it.

Firing him? Still not our call and not exactly something we can control anyway.

[j78]

Bored at 3AM wrote...

I have great respect for Casey Hudsons work of the last years. But the two statements he made after the release are very strange, and that only " a few thousand" guys on the internet are upset is just not true. Critic on the internet can be - and is - often cruel and unjust. But there is also warrented critic and if a creator stands100% behind his work I would expect that defends it or at least explains it.

Mass Effect 3 sold about 3 million copies. 

If you actually think millions of people are complaining about the ending of the game, you are fooling yourself. Less than half of the people who own the game have even finished it yet.

That brings you down to about 1.5 million, most of whom don't get all the worked up over the end of a video game, good or bad.

That brings us down to about half a million fans who are really into the game and care about the ending to talk about it. And that's being generous. 

Amongst those fans, there isn't even a strong concensus one way or the other about the ending. Some love it, some like it, others are okay with it, some have a couple problems with and so on and so on until you get to the people who are so upset about it that they post online about how terrible it is.

Sorry, but no matter how you cut it, that's only a few thousand really devoted fans and not really representative of most of the people who played Mass Effect 3.

 

Shipped 3 million it only sold 2.25 http://www.vgchartz..../mass-effect-3/     
I am quite sure that most of you are quite tired of hearing about Mass Effect 3, but when I stumbled upon this information on VGchartz I just had to share it.
http://www.vgchartz.com/
It is normal for game to drop in sales from week 1 to week 2, usually these drops are around 50% but can up to around 60% or even 70% for titles with very high week one sales. Mass Effect 3 started out very well selling about 2.4 million units in its first week on sale, but the week 2 sales add up to no more than 527.000 units. This constitutes a 79,3% drop in sales on Xbox360 from week 1 to week 2 and similar numbers can be seen for PS3 and PC. All in all it adds up to 78,2% drop across all platforms, as far as I know this is one of the largest drops in sales in recent history.
One of the major successes last year Skyrim also presented very high week 1 sales and relatively high sales drop in week 2 close to 70%, but the sales then increased again Christmas closed in. With Christmas nowhere around the corner, the 80% drop is very alarming. While some might suggest that this drop in sales might have been caused by the protest against the games ending, it is also possible that the high drop is a consequence of “over-marketing” by EA and that numbers are simply adjusting themselves after a very hyped launch.
No matter which one which one it is, it seems clear that Mass Effect 3 is not the great sales success that people have been claiming.

[AtreiyaN7]

The Angry One wrote...

Hudathan wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Hudathan wrote...

There would be no Mass Effect without Casey Hudson, period.

If he has no respect for his own legacy, why do you expect anyone else to?

That's your opinion.

No, that is fact. The ending utterly violates the core themes of Mass Effect. It turns Shepard into everything the fought against.
It maliciously destroys a budding sci-fi universe for no good reason.

Maliciously? Oh get real - Hudson was one of the people directly involved in the creation of the ME universe. Somehow, I doubt he had anything even remotely malicious in mind when he was one of the people who gave birth to the ideas for the series. And without him as that project manager on KotOR and the team that they'd put together, there might never have been an ME series.

The endings don't violate the core themes, and they don't turn Shepard into everything he/she fought against just because you don't like them.

[Sen4lifE]

Peete wrote...

 Some time ago there was a thread about what you would do if you became the owner of Bioware. Alot of the replies included firing Casey Hudson. I would post in that thread but I don't want to necro.

Today I finished Knights of the Old Republic. I thought the ending a bit lacking (nothing compared to ME3) but overall I thought it a great game. Casey Hudson Was the Director of that game (that's Wikipedia terminology - I believe he's refered to as "lead project manager" in the game).

That's why I think firing Casey Hudson would be a major mistake. If he wrote the ME 3 ending he screwed up - it happens. But it seems to me that he has a lot of good to offer.

Thoughts? 

I truthfully find most BioWare endings to be lacking.  I think BioWare should hire other studios to finish them because they build so much up during the story that they just can't deliver the end you felt you were walking toward.  Usually this is combat and game interaction (look at Dragon Age: Origin.. final boss, stand by that big crossbow thing (name?) and just keep clicking it, game over) but sometimes it's a lack of story, too (DA2).

Mass Effect 2's ending with shooting the reaper.. honestly it should've been something about blowing up the connections or the reaper or something, because lobbing bullets at a dreadnought AI just didn't make sense, 1/4 done or not.

Mass Effect 1's fight with Saren was just.. a little less than expected but still nice though I thought it'd be a little more difficult (especially on Insanity, where I can still kill him in about a minute as a soldier with 2 biotics)

But I have to disagree with you, Knights of the Old Republic was the exception to this rule, I loved every moment of the ending.  KotOR may very well still be my favourite BioWare game.

Edit: And before anyone says anything, yes, I was joking about hiring another studio for endings, that'd be ridiculous.

Modifié par Sen4lifE, 09 avril 2012 - 07:19 .

[Erixxxx]

The Angry One wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

"We"? Who are "we" in this case? You and the other Retakers?

Anybody who has objectively analysed the ending with the context of the first two games.

And are you so determined to stop the Reapers that you are unwilling to consider other alternatives than utter destruction of them?

All options are presented by the Catalyst. All options represent capitulation to the Reaper overlord, and a Reaper victory.
All of them.

No one ever said it would be a happy ending, or an ending that you wanted. The Catalyst compromises, and so should you.

[bboynexus]

People have got to remember that despite the endings, Casey Hudson has led the team since the conception of ME1.

[Sen4lifE]

Also, I don't think Knights of the Old Republic or Mass Effect would have been what it was without Hudson bringing it all together. Firing him would be firing the Science Fiction creative ability BioWare has showed us they have.

Obviously he got the job to begin with because he was good at it.  It is competitive, y'know.

Modifié par Sen4lifE, 09 avril 2012 - 07:22 .

[Hudathan]

Let's not turn this into a circular argument about the plot again, what can be said has all been said.

[Phategod1]

I think The Angry One does not understand the definition of opinion.

Modifié par Phategod1, 09 avril 2012 - 07:25 .

[VendettaI154]

The guy practically conned me out of £60, I'm not exactly his biggest fan at the moment but I'm not going to go around saying he should be fired. It would be nice however if he actually came out and apologized for the information he gave pre-release and gave an explanation on why a lot of it was false.

Modifié par VendettaI154, 09 avril 2012 - 07:26 .

[Rheinlandman]

Bored at 3AM wrote...

I have great respect for Casey Hudsons work of the last years. But the two statements he made after the release are very strange, and that only " a few thousand" guys on the internet are upset is just not true. Critic on the internet can be - and is - often cruel and unjust. But there is also warrented critic and if a creator stands100% behind his work I would expect that defends it or at least explains it.

Mass Effect 3 sold about 3 million copies. 

If you actually think millions of people are complaining about the ending of the game, you are fooling yourself. Less than half of the people who own the game have even finished it yet.

That brings you down to about 1.5 million, most of whom don't get all the worked up over the end of a video game, good or bad.

That brings us down to about half a million fans who are really into the game and care about the ending to talk about it. And that's being generous. 

Amongst those fans, there isn't even a strong concensus one way or the other about the ending. Some love it, some like it, others are okay with it, some have a couple problems with and so on and so on until you get to the people who are so upset about it that they post online about how terrible it is.

Sorry, but no matter how you cut it, that's only a few thousand really devoted fans and not really representative of most of the people who played Mass Effect 3.

 

From the metric data gathered from ME2 a significant portion will never finish the game  (it was a long time ago but Bioware posted the metric data; something like over half of all games were never finished)  I am sure this was thrown off by people starting other shepards and not finishing them but there would still exist a fair share of consumers who never finished ME2 and won't finish ME3.

Modifié par Rheinlandman, 09 avril 2012 - 07:29 .

[HenchxNarf]

The Angry One wrote...


The ending is objectively bad. We have made logical arguments as to why this is so.
You have responded to most of them with flames and condescension.

They are not my words. They are the facts.
I'm glad YOU are happy with turning into Saren in the last 5 minutes. I will never be, and that was NOT what Mass Effect was about.

Your words are opinions, end of story. They are not facts. Facts would be written by someone who matters, and not you. Someone who knows what they are talking about, not you.

And you not being happy with it is opinion. Just like you saying the ending is objectively bad. They are opinions. Shared opinions, but opinions none the less. Quit acting like you know everything.

And it is what ME is about. If it wasn't, we wouldn't have been given the option.