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[Cultist]

Who was one of the most popular LI BioWare created? Viconia.
She appealed to fans on many levels. The idea of "Currupted Innocence" + the fact that major part of male population got various levels of "messiah complex" secured Viconia's success.
To a lesser margin it was repeated with Jack from ME3.

So, why can't we have a Desire Demon as a companion and LI? She can repeat Viconia's success.
Reasons:
1. Desire Demon can posess a woman body and walk like that among others. Example - Kitty.
2. it is known that not all Demons are ruthless killers, especially Desire Demons, who obtained a host. They are described as cunning and intelligent.
3. Yet Desire Demons could be clueless about the non-Fade world. So, "Corrupted Innocence".
4. Potentially interesting dialogues.
5. Debauchery? Jolly good!
6. Interesting and insightful reactions and interactions.

Desire Demons we could let go peacefully: Desire Demon controlling Connor, Posessed girl(Kitty, also she would be in her 20's during mage-templar war), Desire Demon with templar from the Circle.

[Maria Caliban]

*reads thread title*
It seems there is one thing we agree on!

*read post*
Somewhat agree on. In very broad strokes, we agree.

A Desire Demon companion would be something I'd get behind.

[g99]

I'm not sure about this idea. It is a nice concept, if there was a spirit companion why not make a demon one? And of course why not the hottest of demons? hmmm... On the other hand it is a contradiction in the very idea. A demon lives to pray on host's desires so there is no real place for love in this I fear. But you can try.

[Maria Caliban]

g99 wrote...

A demon lives to pray on host's desires so there is no real place for love in this I fear. But you can try.

Always Chaotic Evil is something I've never liked.

If we had a Desire Demon companion, I'd hope they have aspirations beyond being a giant parasite. If that's all they can ever be or ever hope to be, there's no reason to include one.

[g99]

Maria Caliban wrote...

g99 wrote...

A demon lives to pray on host's desires so there is no real place for love in this I fear. But you can try.

Always Chaotic Evil is something I've never liked.

If we had a Desire Demon companion, I'd hope they have aspirations beyond being a giant parasite. If that's all they can ever be or ever hope to be, there's no reason to include one.

THAT is just the fact I fear.

[Realmzmaster]

You would potentially have someone who could turn on you if presented with a better offer or better mark. Or who could seduce your entire party and turn them against you. You want the demon as a LI, but would she love you or just be feeding off your character's desire. Demons also only look out for their own best interests. What happens if you make decisions that put her in harm's way against more powerful demons? I do believe survival would then be paramount.

An interesting idea, but the implementation may be difficult.

[ShadyKat]

How about Kitty from Origins. Has to be some way to write her back into the story, even if you killed her.

[Chiramu]

The only way this could work and not have your party steam-rolled by templars as soon as you enter a town is if the demon were in possession of another being; human, elf, dwarf.

Even then, give us a viable storyline to make this work. I mean we want a good storyline as well, not an essay paper you write on the last night before you hand it up.

[Cat Fancy]

I would be interested in this. If "spirits" can get corrupted, or otherwise change, I don't see how the same can't be true of "demons." Aren't they basically the same thing? And I can see Desire demons having more of an inclination and ability to be prosocial than, say, a Rage demon.

[esper]

Chiramu wrote...

The only way this could work and not have your party steam-rolled by templars as soon as you enter a town is if the demon were in possession of another being; human, elf, dwarf.

Even then, give us a viable storyline to make this work. I mean we want a good storyline as well, not an essay paper you write on the last night before you hand it up.

Who says the templars still have towns to stay in, rebelling as they are.

I kinda want a demon in the party at some points to get an explanation of the Fade from the opposite of a spirit. Justice was hardly objective in his opinions and  I wish to hear what a demon has to say. That is all really.

I could go for a pride demon in a mage body which only shows it true self in combat.

[Cultist]

Demons seem to feed upon certain emotion when they have no host, but once obtained, they just use it to experience the real world, with the attitude depending of their "nature".

You would potentially have someone who could turn on you if presented with a better offer or better mark

Reminds me of some pirate...

[Chiramu]

esper wrote...

Chiramu wrote...

The only way this could work and not have your party steam-rolled by templars as soon as you enter a town is if the demon were in possession of another being; human, elf, dwarf.

Even then, give us a viable storyline to make this work. I mean we want a good storyline as well, not an essay paper you write on the last night before you hand it up.

Who says the templars still have towns to stay in, rebelling as they are.

I kinda want a demon in the party at some points to get an explanation of the Fade from the opposite of a spirit. Justice was hardly objective in his opinions and  I wish to hear what a demon has to say. That is all really.

I could go for a pride demon in a mage body which only shows it true self in combat.

Demons use people and spit them out afterwards. It seems Bioware needs to make demons scarier and more evil...

[Cultist]

Chiramu wrote...
The only way this could work and not have your party steam-rolled by templars as soon as you enter a town is if the demon were in possession of another being; human, elf, dwarf.

If you remember, even Anders used his magic to test if there's a demon inside that guy who kidnapped elven girls. If a mage can't recognize demonic possession right away, templars should try even harder. And I doubt they will test everyone passing through towns.
And, hell, we already got geth walking freely on the most heavily-guarded station in ME. And the only explanation was - trophy-bot.

[esper]

Chiramu wrote...

esper wrote...

Chiramu wrote...

The only way this could work and not have your party steam-rolled by templars as soon as you enter a town is if the demon were in possession of another being; human, elf, dwarf.

Even then, give us a viable storyline to make this work. I mean we want a good storyline as well, not an essay paper you write on the last night before you hand it up.

Who says the templars still have towns to stay in, rebelling as they are.

I kinda want a demon in the party at some points to get an explanation of the Fade from the opposite of a spirit. Justice was hardly objective in his opinions and  I wish to hear what a demon has to say. That is all really.

I could go for a pride demon in a mage body which only shows it true self in combat.

Demons use people and spit them out afterwards. It seems Bioware needs to make demons scarier and more evil...

I just want to hear how a demon sees the Fade, and what they believe they are, as oppossed to what Justice believe they are. The only demon who have been the least bit interested in talking about the Fade was the sloth demon in the Origion. I simply want the opposite view to balance Justice out.

Besides we have had two spirits possessions, why not a demon one.

[Maria Caliban]

ShadyKat wrote...

How about Kitty from Origins. Has to be some way to write her back into the story, even if you killed her.

You didn't really 'kill' her. As I understand it, demons exist but aren't alive in the conventional sense. Destroying whatever body they use in the mortal world just sends them back to the Fade... or they were always partially in the Fade. Or something.

umwhatyousay wrote...

I would be interested in this. If "spirits" can get corrupted, or otherwise change, I don't see how the same can't be true of "demons." Aren't they basically the same thing? And I can see Desire demons having more of an inclination and ability to be prosocial than, say, a Rage demon.

According to David, there is a fundamental/essential difference between a spirit and a demon.

[The Elder King]

Maria Caliban wrote...

umwhatyousay wrote...

I would be interested in this. If "spirits" can get corrupted, or otherwise change, I don't see how the same can't be true of "demons." Aren't they basically the same thing? And I can see Desire demons having more of an inclination and ability to be prosocial than, say, a Rage demon.

According to David, there is a fundamental/essential difference between a spirit and a demon.

Is it the fact that demons feed on some part of the human's mind?

[Cultist]

Maria Caliban wrote...
According to David, there is a fundamental/essential difference between a spirit and a demon.

nope.

David Gaider  wrote...
One caution: there are a few things in there which Heather either misremembered or which I wasn't clear on. The spirits & demons thing, for instance-- I don't think I said they were fundamentally different. I believe what I said is that the possession was fundamentally different (meaning Anders' situation, in comparison to Connor's situation in DAO, which was the question).

Modifié par Cultist, 09 avril 2012 - 09:23 .

[Cat Fancy]

Maria Caliban wrote...

According to David, there is a fundamental/essential difference between a spirit and a demon.

Did he say much else? I'd like to know more.

edit: 'd. Good to know

Modifié par umwhatyousay, 09 avril 2012 - 09:24 .

[Cat Fancy]

edit: what on earth happened here.

Modifié par umwhatyousay, 09 avril 2012 - 09:27 .

[Thibax]

Yes!

I want Desire Demon playable

[Maria Caliban]

Cultist wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
According to David, there is a fundamental/essential difference between a spirit and a demon.

nope.

David Gaider  wrote...
One caution: there are a few things in there which Heather either misremembered or which I wasn't clear on. The spirits & demons thing, for instance-- I don't think I said they were fundamentally different. I believe what I said is that the possession was fundamentally different (meaning Anders' situation, in comparison to Connor's situation in DAO, which was the question).

Well, David did say they were fundamentally different, but it seems he misspoke.

[Cultist]

He clearly stated that he was misunderstood.

[Maria Caliban]

Cultist wrote...

He clearly stated that he was misunderstood.

By Heather? I have no idea what happened when he spoke to Heather. He has said that demons and spirits are different. It's fine if he misremembered or misspoke. I always thought it was rather silly myself.

Edit 1: Compiling here... the quotes I'm finding suggest he was talking about possession when he spoke to me as well.

Edit 2:

David Gaider wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
And thank you OP for using the term 'desire spirit.' It's sad that the majority of people on this board are so narrow-minded they feel the need to use the term 'demon.'
Indeed.

Except that it is a demon. It's not a question of polite phrasing but of terminology-- a demon is any spirit that feeds off of/attempts to manipulate living beings through their baser emotions. The desire demons do so by definition.

David Gaider wrote...

Dhiro wrote...
Dinosaur Gaider hates Desire Demons almost as much as he hates dwarves. Because I'm saying so. :<

Actually, I'd have nothing against having a Desire Demon as a party member. That could be quite cool. But they'd either need to be a manifest demon or be possessing a host-- they couldn't be melded a la Wynne. That's what a spirit does, and the two are very different things.

David Gaider wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
Are they different because of what they feed off or do they feed off different emotions/concepts because they're different beings?

The former. Ultimately they're all spirits-- but the nature of a spirit can change. I believe Justice has quite a bit to say about this in Awakening.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 10 avril 2012 - 05:15 .

[Dejajeva]

Whatever, just put some damn clothes on her and I'm down with it.