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[Cultist]

Arthur Cousland wrote...
If a desire demon companion wasn't a love interest, would anyone be interested?

Sure. LI will add greatly to character but Desire Demon will be interesting and fun even as a "common" companion.
Seducing and provoking others. Imaginve Demon mocking Chantry sister...priceless.

[AkiKishi]

Cultist wrote...

Arthur Cousland wrote...
If a desire demon companion wasn't a love interest, would anyone be interested?

Sure. LI will add greatly to character but Desire Demon will be interesting and fun even as a "common" companion.
Seducing and provoking others. Imaginve Demon mocking Chantry sister...priceless.

Companions that offer an alternative world view are always worthwhile.

[tankdogg937]

Eh I'd rather have a pet Pride Demon. Throw some Ogre armor on it and put in work.

I'd settle for the Architecht considering I allied with him.

Modifié par tankdogg937, 12 avril 2012 - 10:15 .

[Cultist]

Pride Demons is ok, but their goals are way too, ambitious, obviously. Desire Demons, for their part, have more "common" intersts and player-oriented. In my opinion they are more fitting as a companion.
And, lastly, in DA games, there's no example of Pride Demon that you can strike bargain with (maybe, except for Mouse) - all encounters are fights, yet pacts with Desire Demons are a common thing.

[Cultist]

Seems like someone entertained with the idea already

[Zkyire]

Maria Caliban wrote...

A Desire Demon companion would be something I'd get behind.

Ahh.. wording.

[svenus97]

It might be the wild card companion, like Shale in DA:O or Legion in ME2.

[brushyourteeth]

... as long as I have the option to kill it as soon as it tries to join the party, I'll stomach it.

[paul165]

Sure, sounds fun I liked Justice in DA:A when he still learning about the world (less of a fan of the DA2 version I must admit). The more off the wall characters are often more interesting Legion and Shale are the classic examples.

As for the DD being utterly self interested yes it probably would be but so was Morrigan and Morrigan was awesome. Isabella was pretty self interested most of the time as well doesn't make her less interesting.

If we need a reason for it to work with you - you're its tether to the material plane? you managed to bleed all over the ancient artifact after carelessly getting stabbed? Could be a great deal of fun plus giving players the option of playing around with some of the more ...dubious branches of magic like mind control without having to recruit blood mages. Incidentally can I mention how annoying it was that in DA2 the mage choices are a maleficar and an abomination?

The DD gives the option to explore those kind of areas of magic and give a more balanced view of the mage conflict without the continuity problems involved in taking quests to hunt down blood mages with one in your party.

Do agree that an option to kill rather than recruit would probably be necessary to avoid railroading though.

[Maria Caliban]

Begemotka wrote...

Actually,should not a desire demon take on a female / male appearance based on the perceived "victim`s" preferences?

No.

I'll go with the long answer this time. Your conclusion is based on a number of assumptions that are not necessarily true.

Desire Demons don't only offer sex. The demon in the Mage tower offered the Templar a vision of a happy, normal life with wife and children. The demon of Redcliff offered the boy a chance to save his father. Allure offered Lady Harromont the power to take Starkhaven.

Moreover, the female form seems to be ubiquitous. That is, that's the way desire demons look in Thedas when they haven't shape changed.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 19 avril 2012 - 09:17 .

[Maria Caliban]

1. There's no way for the game to know what your character desires most or what they find most physically desirable. What you're suggesting would work wonderfully if this were a book or movie, but in an RPG, it's not possible.

2. Because the desire demon presumably likes its form. Your question presumes desire demons exist simply for the gratification of others, but demons are interested in their own desires first and foremost.

Yes, some desire demons might take on a masculine form if they want to seduce someone who's attracted to that form. That doesn't mean all of them would do so or that all of them would be interested in seducing others.

[Maria Caliban]

Begemotka wrote...

2.And if their first and foremost desire,the most self-gratifying is the gratification of others?

I approve of this character concept.

[Dakota Strider]

brushyourteeth wrote...

... as long as I have the option to kill it as soon as it tries to join the party, I'll stomach it.

^^ Pretty much this.  

I am one of those that does not see the fascination with wanting to have a demon of any sort around.  Nor really wanting a spirit either.   They are plot devices, and sometimes opponents, rarely allies.  But as Justice proved, you may not be able to trust a spirit.  A demon?  Almost always guaranteed to betray you.  I think the hero of DA3 will probably have his/her hands full enough, as it is, without having to worry when the demoness time bomb goes off.

[BubbleDncr]

Hmm...

My memory of lore is a little shaky at the moment, so forgive me if this is completely wrong...

The only way I really think it'd be cool to have a Desire Demon as a companion is if you didn't know they were a Desire Demon. So, as a somewhat silly example, It's be like if Cullen joined your party at one point, only to find out right after you bedded him that he was actually a Desire Demon, tricking you the whole time. Or had been possessing him, and he actually isn't into you, he's still obsessed with Mage Amell, but the Desire Demon knew you wanted him so bad...

Edit: now having read this, it would actually probably be a horrible idea, similar to if they just had someone rape your character. So...no Desrie demons...

Modifié par BubbleDncr, 19 avril 2012 - 11:27 .

[Maria Caliban]

I've never understood the desire to kill someone who wants to join your group. I mean, yes, if it's you coming upon them as they devour babies, I understand the motivation, but this is literally based on no information but that it's a desire demon.

[Dakota Strider]

I can only think of one example when I believe it was justified, and the only time I have done that. When Zevron and his crew ambushed the Warden, and attempted to assassinate him/her, you had the choice to kill him right then. It was obvious he was trying to kill your character, not just commit highway robbery. So, I had no hesitation in killing him, rather than healing him and bring someone that attempted to kill the Warden and companions into the party.

Other than that, if a character did not seem to mesh with what I wanted the party to be, I would just dismiss them if given the opportunity.

[the_one_54321]

Zevran was obviously an assassin. I killed him outright. It's not like there was some big mystery about who wants me dead.

The other assassins, the ones that came after Leliana, I only let live because she spoke up about it.

[brushyourteeth]

Begemotka wrote...

I never understood the desire to kill another,acting on baseless assumptions and stereotypes,knowing nothing of the person,either.Baffling,really.
I would so not want to be a victim of such behaviour,simply killed because I have blue eyes and wear colourful socks for breakfast,and somebody heard such people were dangerous.
Even if some of those people were evil and drove lesser men crazy with their socks-I am my own person.

You're not an instrument of pure evil and deceit, buddy.

Why would I want to keep something like that around? To RP the most unintelligent hero around? Psh.

"Oh, but what if it's nice?" you say. "what if it wants to help you?"
duh. that's exactly what desire demons do to you -- right before they suck the life out of you until you die, possibly destroying everyone you love before the end.

if what you guys want is a NICE, BENIGN desire demon (which, effectively makes it not an actual desire demon) then just say so. Maybe I'd even give that a try.