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[-Skorpious-]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Icesong wrote...

I'm not trying to pick a fight or be contrary here. I literally have
this (or similar) conversation with parts of our community many times
after the release of every product.

Do you think it's possible then that this is skewing your perspective to why this time it isn't your standard nerdrage? 

Most anything is possible.

I think Stanley is confirming that we are getting new endings instead of clarification! 

[Il Divo]

Biff the Understudy wrote...

Aetius5 wrote...

Of course Death's Hand, errr Stanley Woo is an authority figure. 

An Important distinction. You'd never catch Stanley Woo getting spirit-bound by some uppity monk.

Off-topic but: probably the single coolest moment in a video game.

[Reptilian Rob]

-Skorpious- wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Icesong wrote...

I'm not trying to pick a fight or be contrary here. I literally have
this (or similar) conversation with parts of our community many times
after the release of every product.

Do you think it's possible then that this is skewing your perspective to why this time it isn't your standard nerdrage? 

Most anything is possible.

I think Stanley is confirming that we are getting new endings instead of clarification! 

Oh god, it's like I'm living in the worst nightmare possible. 

Lovecraft would **** his pants.

[Stanley Woo]

PrussianBlue wrote...

After I saw what Woo wrote here. Really? I mean like, really? This is my goodbye from Bioware. Just wow at that.

With conviction (or capriciousness) like that, how can we hope to have productive discussion, or even argue in good faith?

[1490]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Icesong wrote...

I'm not trying to pick a fight or be contrary here. I literally have
this (or similar) conversation with parts of our community many times
after the release of every product.

Do you think it's possible then that this is skewing your perspective to why this time it isn't your standard nerdrage? 

Most anything is possible.

I would be interested to see a comparison of how many people bought the game vs. how many people are angry about the game, and compare that ratio to previous Bioware games.  I don't know if that's possible though, since there is no reliable way to tally the angry people vs. the not-angry people.

[Stanley Woo]

addiction21 wrote...

"casual" is nothing but one more of those arbirtary groups people like to use to throw mud at.

By most definitions of the term, I too would be considered a "casual gamer."

[AJRimmsey]

-Skorpious- wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Icesong wrote...

I'm not trying to pick a fight or be contrary here. I literally have
this (or similar) conversation with parts of our community many times
after the release of every product.

Do you think it's possible then that this is skewing your perspective to why this time it isn't your standard nerdrage? 

Most anything is possible.

I think Stanley is confirming that we are getting new endings instead of clarification! 

GRENADE !!!!!

everyone hit the deck !

[1490]

Stanley, I'm sure you've been asked this many times already, but I'm just curious: have you seen the ME3 ending, and if so, what is your take on it?

[TreguardD]

Stanley Woo wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

"casual" is nothing but one more of those arbirtary groups people like to use to throw mud at.

By most definitions of the term, I too would be considered a "casual gamer."

...hello?

Anybody there?

I'm trying to have a meaningful Dialogue here. Mr. Woo?

Is there someone else who'd be willing to talk (other than Mr. Schumacher, he's been great. But I'd like at member of the Mass Effect team who might be willing to allow us to help you satisfy us.)

[1490]

TreguardD wrote...

Is there someone else who'd be willing to talk (other than Mr. Schumacher, he's been great. But I'd like at member of the Mass Effect team who might be willing to allow us to help you satisfy us.)

Schumacher is awesome.  I've seen his posts all over the forums now and he really puts a lot of thought into his discussions.

[Stanley Woo]

1490 wrote...

Stanley, I'm sure you've been asked this many times already, but I'm just curious: have you seen the ME3 ending, and if so, what is your take on it?

Intentionally not involving myself in such discussion. I don't want my comments taken as any kind of "official" or "more important opinion" over anyone else's. those who agreed with me woulduse my name and status as a validation of their cause, while those who disagreed might see my opinion as an attack on or dismissal of their cause. not playing that game, sorry.

[1490]

Stanley Woo wrote...

1490 wrote...

Stanley, I'm sure you've been asked this many times already, but I'm just curious: have you seen the ME3 ending, and if so, what is your take on it?

Intentionally not involving myself in such discussion. I don't want my comments taken as any kind of "official" or "more important opinion" over anyone else's. those who agreed with me woulduse my name and status as a validation of their cause, while those who disagreed might see my opinion as an attack on or dismissal of their cause. not playing that game, sorry.

Understandable.  I was just curious.

So because you have mentioned trying to have "meaningful discussions," what do you like to discuss with fans? (besides telling people to knock off the bad behavior, lol)

Modifié par 1490, 12 avril 2012 - 12:51 .

[Drake_Hound]

and addiction , that is where you are wrong , neither bioware past saw people as statistics.
Neither bioware now see people as statistics ,

that is why you are wrong again , if 20k people can fund a game like shadowrun TBS on kickstarter
if 50k people can fund a game like wasteland on kickstarter .

that throws a monkey wrench into your reasoning .
We all know why Al Lowe leisure suit larry won't happen .
So don't mistake hype and statistic people with , the real gamers .
Most of us are not what you can define sheeps blind loyal following sheeps ,
Cause in this industry the sheeps never come up with creative solution or ideas to futher progress.

Now here is the situation with ME3 terrific game for casual meh ending but casual gamers don't care , you put them a game over .. it is good enough .
Sadly you have 99% FANTASTIC game that brought all BIOWARE MAGIC out .
then the most crucial part the last 1% you mess up , any other company wouldn't even recitify it.

But isn't it time for them as a company to discuss why that 1% can cause such nerd rage .
Among longtime followers , and clarify well that is for the casual market.
But most important , what makes a game like NWN KOTOR DAO long talked about for 7 years.
Which me3 just killed itself other then discussion about bad ending takes so much talk on the internet over all other fabulous effort .

[Habs25]

Stanley Woo wrote...

People got angry when NWN came out and it wasn't BG.
People got angry when KotOR came out because it was a console game.
People got angry when Jade Empire came out because it was a different setting, and it was an action RPG.
People got angry when Mass Effect came out because it was a shooter.
People got angry when Dragon Age: Origins came out because it wasn't BG.
People got angry when DA2 came out because it wasn't DAO.
People got angry when ME2 came out because it wasn't ME1.
And now people are angry at ME3.

The cycle will continue as long as people feel they have an inalienable right to never be disappointed, or that their money entitles them to be rude or condescending to others, or that their opinions are the only, best, or right ones.

The cycle will continue unless the reapers wipe out all fans, fans inevitably turn on the creators of their ironically favourite games.

[kbct]

Stanley Woo wrote...

1490 wrote...

Stanley, I'm sure you've been asked this many times already, but I'm just curious: have you seen the ME3 ending, and if so, what is your take on it?

Intentionally not involving myself in such discussion. I don't want my comments taken as any kind of "official" or "more important opinion" over anyone else's. those who agreed with me woulduse my name and status as a validation of their cause, while those who disagreed might see my opinion as an attack on or dismissal of their cause. not playing that game, sorry.

That's an indication this ending controversy is big. I haven't heard any BioWare employee comment on the ending. Or have I? Well, maybe Weekes and it wasn't good.

Modifié par kbct, 12 avril 2012 - 12:55 .

[Reever]

Stanley Woo wrote...

1490 wrote...

Stanley, I'm sure you've been asked this many times already, but I'm just curious: have you seen the ME3 ending, and if so, what is your take on it?

Intentionally not involving myself in such discussion. I don't want my comments taken as any kind of "official" or "more important opinion" over anyone else's. those who agreed with me woulduse my name and status as a validation of their cause, while those who disagreed might see my opinion as an attack on or dismissal of their cause. not playing that game, sorry.

But some of us would really only like to know your opinion as a fan on the ending (like for example Allan - hope the spelling´s right xD). But I understand your case is a bit different

[RocketManSR2]

Habs25 wrote...

The cycle will continue unless the reapers wipe out all fans, fans inevitably turn on the creators of their ironically favourite games.

"BIOWARE FANS, TOO WHINEY."

*Read in Harbinger's voice* 

[1490]

kbct wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

1490 wrote...

Stanley, I'm sure you've been asked this many times already, but I'm just curious: have you seen the ME3 ending, and if so, what is your take on it?

Intentionally not involving myself in such discussion. I don't want my comments taken as any kind of "official" or "more important opinion" over anyone else's. those who agreed with me woulduse my name and status as a validation of their cause, while those who disagreed might see my opinion as an attack on or dismissal of their cause. not playing that game, sorry.

That's an indication this ending controversy is big. I haven't heard any BioWare employee comment on the ending. Or have I? Well, maybe Weekes and it wasn't good.

Alan Schumacher (who I believe is a DA dev) has commented on it a lot, but he has done so as a player, since he has mentioned he doesn't have much inside info on the game.  As for the Mass Effect team commenting: they aren't going to if they have an ending-related product coming out in a couple months.  Non-disclosure agreements and all that.

[Stanley Woo]

kbct wrote...

That's an indication this ending controversy is big. I haven't heard any BioWare employee comment on the ending. Or have I? Well, maybe Weekes and it wasn't good.

Or, you know, it'd start new accusations of "PR speak" and us "having to hype the endings because we "know" they're bad." Better to let folks form their own opinions, I think.

[shurikenmanta]

I think it's kind of the curse of being good at what you do really. Bioware have a legacy for producing amazing games (insert pause here for someone to make a random hur hur not any more comment). The fanbase has been treated to a number of absolutely phenomenal works, and that tends to make one a bit spoiled and unpleasable so that when something comes out that you don't like as much, it's the end of the world rather than just something you didn't like.

[addiction21]

Drake_Hound wrote...

So don't mistake hype and statistic people with , the real gamers .

Who are the real gamers?  What is a real gamer?

When will some "gamers" stop trying to segregate their own community?

Stanley Woo wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

"casual" is nothing but one more of those arbirtary groups people like to use to throw mud at.

By most definitions of the term, I too would be considered a "casual gamer."

Well one of your favorite games is Crusader. By the internet standards of today it would be something like Angry Birds.

Modifié par addiction21, 12 avril 2012 - 01:02 .

[RocketManSR2]

addiction21 wrote...

Drake_Hound wrote...

So don't mistake hype and statistic people with , the real gamers .

Who are the real gamers?  What is a real gamer?

When will some "gamers" stop trying to segregate their own community?

I'm not a real gamer, I am a figment of your imagination.

[animadpig]

Where is the multiple endings of the ME3 reflected my decision made in ME1 and ME2?

I hope someone from Bioware will reply this
question. Obviously, I try to send the e-mail to EA customer service
and get a "Thank you for your opinion." reply. I don't mind my commander
Shepard sacrificed himseld to save the galaxy. The current ending to me
is like that Tolkien tell Forodo that you have to jump into the fire
with the ring then the ring shall be desotry when Forodo try to throw
the ring into the fire of Mount Doom. However, everyone, even Sauron,
believes that the way of destoring the ring is throw the ring into the
fire of Mount Doom.

Modifié par animadpig, 12 avril 2012 - 01:03 .

[Stryder77]

I'm not entirely sure whether I should jump into this or not, but Mr. Woo seems to be willing to discuss and engage and I respect that. I have been a long time Bioware fan (and Black Isle before that). I do not think that entitles me to anything in particular from Bioware but I bring it up merely to provide perspective. I have not voiced my opinion on the ME3 endings until now.

Mr. Woo, I certainly appreciate your position and I understand it, however, I feel you may not be entirely understanding what people are feeling. To suggest that the response to the endings is merely the result of an increased fan base seems a little dismissive to me. I do not have access to the figures, so you may be right, but I submit that the increased response has not been from an increased fan base (after all, new comers to the series probably won't feel invested enough come to the forums and "rage") but from the dedicated fans who feel the ending was not satisfying to them, for whatever reason.

I have enjoyed all the Bioware games I've played (including ME3 and DA2 which I recently purchased) but I have to admit that the ME3 ending left me feeling a little underwhelmed. I am not sure what I was expecting going into it, maybe I wanted more closure, or a sligtly more positive note, I am not sure. But what I am sure about is that I was expecting (or maybe hoping) for something more than it was, Something that resulted in a feeling of accomplishment like the ME2 suicide mission or satisfaction and closure like the end of BG2: Throne of Bhaal.

I felt like the end of ME3 was a little out of character for Shepard. The Illusive Man sums up Shepard better than anyone at the end of ME2 when he tell Shepard he did "the impossible". And while I realize defeating the Reapers is something that has never been done before the final decision doesn't seem like a defeat but more of a compromise. Shepard doesn't compromise. When faced with a series of equally unfavorable options Shepard chooses to force a new option.

Anyhow, I am still a Bioware fan and I still like ME3 (though I admit I have not really felt much need to play through again yet) and I will most likely purchase their next product. However, I wanted to let you know my thoughts (which I'm sure you'be heard something similar before) and I wanted to suggest to you that while there have always been people upset with the release of each product, I do not think it has risen to this level. Likewise, I also do not think this "unprecedented" protest will result in the demise of Bioware. Such a thing takes time and a series of problems. But Bioware should definately take notice and not simply consider the customers who are upset as being run of the mill.

[1490]

Stanley Woo wrote...

kbct wrote...

That's an indication this ending controversy is big. I haven't heard any BioWare employee comment on the ending. Or have I? Well, maybe Weekes and it wasn't good.

Or, you know, it'd start new accusations of "PR speak" and us "having to hype the endings because we "know" they're bad." Better to let folks form their own opinions, I think.

[serious] I'm sorry that that many people have said those those things to you that you need to police everything you say to avoid having it picked apart and twisted.  At least some of us (myself included) appreciate you taking your time to answer our questions and respond the best you can.