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[Drake_Hound]

Sorry not going to wait around till summer , when they invested heaps of money and dedication put the whole team trough horrible work stress , just to make the directors cut work .

So they said play the wonderfull game finish it then give feedback , which I did .
Some of us know how PR and marketing works , how cooperate structure works .
When they say no alternative endings , doesn't that ring a bell ?
How much wording do people need to understand it , 3 options will not suffice for me .
3 options are fine for me , if I wouldn't give a rat asss about shepard , infact best game ever created if I can kill off all my companions , then the ending fits perfectly .

Infact even then the third options kill off all synthetic in the world will be best , kill off joker and the rest too with my own choices , that would be atleast a real choice .
Infact kill off the universe and join the reapers would even be more fitting .
See I do not need a happy end , as long the end makes sense and I have real power of a choice.

[animadpig]

1490 wrote...

What exactly was the question(s) you asked them?  A lot of stuff the devs cannot tell anyone else in the company until release due to nondisclosure agreements.  PR people are there to help you game issues like bugs, fixes, and troubleshooting.  They don't have inside information on upcoming products.

It seems that I always have some typo...

My question is "Where is the mutilple endings of the ME3 reflected the decision made in ME1 and ME2?"

Game issues? They did not fix the issues I send to them this time. Bioware might not consider the issue I have is really important. I report couple issues, such as there is no correct equiment in my commander Shapred in the game animation, e.g. my commander Shapred equid rife and shotgun but when I enter the room my character hold a piston to check the corner. such such. Well, I don't like the EA customer service personally because they never help me to fix any issue e.g., I install ME1 but can not play ME1 so I have to google to find out some player teach others how to manually install ME1. It is a long story.

[1490]

animadpig wrote...

1490 wrote...

What exactly was the question(s) you asked them?  A lot of stuff the devs cannot tell anyone else in the company until release due to nondisclosure agreements.  PR people are there to help you game issues like bugs, fixes, and troubleshooting.  They don't have inside information on upcoming products.

It seems that I always have some typo...

My question is "Where is the mutilple endings of the ME3 reflected the decision made in ME1 and ME2?"

Game issues? They did not fix the issues I send to them this time. Bioware might not consider the issue I have is really important. I report couple issues, such as there is no correct equiment in my commander Shapred in the game animation, e.g. my commander Shapred equid rife and shotgun but when I enter the room my character hold a piston to check the corner. such such. Well, I don't like the EA customer service personally because they never help me to fix any issue e.g., I install ME1 but can not play ME1 so I have to google to find out some player teach others how to manually install ME1. It is a long story.

I understand your frustration if they were not able to help you fix an installation issue: that's something they should be knowledgeable about.  But customer support staff is not going to be able to give you an answer on the endings, because they didn't have a hand in developing them and don't know any better than you do from playing the game.  They don't have direct contact with the devs, and even if they did, the devs couldn't tell them anything until the extended cut comes out because of NDAs.

[1490]

Drake_Hound wrote...

Sorry not going to wait around till summer , when they invested heaps of money and dedication put the whole team trough horrible work stress , just to make the directors cut work .

So they said play the wonderfull game finish it then give feedback , which I did .
Some of us know how PR and marketing works , how cooperate structure works .
When they say no alternative endings , doesn't that ring a bell ?
How much wording do people need to understand it , 3 options will not suffice for me .
3 options are fine for me , if I wouldn't give a rat asss about shepard , infact best game ever created if I can kill off all my companions , then the ending fits perfectly .

Infact even then the third options kill off all synthetic in the world will be best , kill off joker and the rest too with my own choices , that would be atleast a real choice .
Infact kill off the universe and join the reapers would even be more fitting .
See I do not need a happy end , as long the end makes sense and I have real power of a choice.

I don't really know what to tell you man.  I guess if you are set on believing the game can't be fixed and your only goal is to express your dissatisfaction of the product, there's not a whole lot we can discuss with you.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Stanley Woo wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

PadawanMage71 wrote...

I think there is more rage with the endings with this last game, than with any other game in the history video games COMBINED.

I don't think that Mr. Woo realises that, although he may just be ignorant of it.

Or I disagree with it. The internet heightens emotion and exaggerates quite a lot. I do agree that the situation has prompted BioWare to respond, but "more rage... than with any other game in the history [of] video games COMBINED"? Disagree.

Or maybe Woo they have never played FFXII-2 ending...

[Kuari999]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Arcian wrote...

CONSUMER RIGHTS.

You
may be corporate doormats who'll let the companies do whatever they
want with your money, but don't expect the rest of us to just sit and
watch while those snakes step on our rights as consumers and bleed our
wallets dry.

None of your rights have been stepped on.
The ability to choose whether to purchase or not purchase our products
have always been and will always be ultimately up to you. You, as the
consumer, have the awesome power, as well as the responsibility to determine for yourself what to buy. No one is taking that away from you.

However,
at the same time, no one is guaranteeing you will like, agree with, or
be satisfied by the products you buy. I can talk about how awesome ME3
is untilt he cows come home, but the ultimate decision to buy the game
is yours and yours alone. no amount of marketing, cajoling, or dance
routines by me absolves you of that privilege or responsibility.

Forming
an opinion of that product is also your privilege and your
responsiblity. Disliking, disagreeing with, or being disappointed by the
product is not a violation of your consumer rights, nor is it a
personal affront, nor is it a systematic attack on your wallet. That is
always the risk you take when you buy something--the risk of not liking
it or the risk of it being bad. If you never want to be disappointed, I
would recommend not buying things, especially media products or
entertainment products. I myself have paid to see movies I didn't like,
paid for books I didn't like, and bought games I didn't like. that is
the risk I take when I buy things, and as a responsible consumer, I
accept that not everything will be to my liking. I also learn from the
purchase and try to not buy things I know I won't like. Doesn't always
work, but I am very well aware of my responsibilities as a consumer.

Also, I tend to like things that make my friends shake their heads.

While what you say is accurate, there are also supposed to be protections against things like false advertisement.  Something that video game companies have avoided.  I doubt there are many people here who haven't been disappointed by a game before, but do you REALLY honestly believe that every person that is against BioWare on this subject complains about every little tiny disappointment?

Stanley Woo wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

PadawanMage71 wrote...

I think there is more rage with the endings with this last game, than with any other game in the history video games COMBINED.

I don't think that Mr. Woo realises that, although he may just be ignorant of it.

Or I disagree with it. The internet heightens emotion and exaggerates quite a lot. I do agree that the situation has prompted BioWare to respond, but "more rage... than with any other game in the history [of] video games COMBINED"? Disagree.

Combined, sure, but point out one game that has gotten this sort of response in terms of scale and how long its lasted.  Hell, probably the only worse response I can think of would be during the video game crash.  Before that?  Nothing that involved games, but there were generally responses on this scale involving books for pretty much the exact same reasons people are angry about this: betrayal of the franchise and its characters.

You have the right to your own opinion, but disagreeing with someone's opinion without addressing the factors on their side is stonewalling, not a discussion.  This is not an unprecedented situation, its simply a rare one, and not one that's really come to gaming, but the concepts for the situations it HAS come up are very similar.

Sociology is a science for a reason.  Patterns indeed repeat, but you have to look at every aspect.
EDIT: Not claiming to be an expert.  I just don't think many people are looking at the big picture, or try to grasp the similarities of past events.

In all seriousness, you have the right to your own opinion, but an opinion that ignores the big picture

Modifié par Kuari999, 12 avril 2012 - 02:30 .

[Drake_Hound]

@1490

There are 3 endings in the game without giving spoilers.
Which of the ending do you want explained ?

All the ending fits the story perfectly if you play it like a kill off companion game .
Kill samara miranda legion whatever , infact it fits even more if you can kill everyone .
Then the story is perfect . in the end you die too .. the universe ends too .
Everything with starchild is perfect , cause who cares am dying anyway .
Thus I do not need more clarification on the endings .

Problem is when i try so hard to save people , eh get attached to the people I save, the 3 ending doesn't make sense , none of the three endings fit .
No matter how they going to rewrite it , it wouldn't make sense .

That is the point I am trying to make , you have 3 dark choices that fits the theme eliminate them all , like highschool of dead or another zombie movie .
Sadly the game give us options to save people ... what for ?

[Travie]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Arcian wrote...

CONSUMER RIGHTS.

You may be corporate doormats who'll let the companies do whatever they want with your money, but don't expect the rest of us to just sit and watch while those snakes step on our rights as consumers and bleed our wallets dry.

None of your rights have been stepped on. The ability to choose whether to purchase or not purchase our products have always been and will always be ultimately up to you. You, as the consumer, have the awesome power, as well as the responsibility to determine for yourself what to buy. No one is taking that away from you.

However, at the same time, no one is guaranteeing you will like, agree with, or be satisfied by the products you buy. I can talk about how awesome ME3 is untilt he cows come home, but the ultimate decision to buy the game is yours and yours alone. no amount of marketing, cajoling, or dance routines by me absolves you of that privilege or responsibility.

A consumers power and responsibility goes well beyond simply buying or not buying a product. To state it as you did is framing the customer into a corner, where they are just one individual in the big scarey market.

We not only control our wallets, but our voices too. If I don't like a product I'll let all my friends know it, especially if I think they are ripping people off, or belittling their fanbase. 

Ripping out peices of a game to sell seperately is wrong in my opinion, so I won't buy any game that does that in a way that disadvantages a consumer, but I won't stop there. I talk to every single one of my friends that is interested in games, or that particular game and tell them exactly what I think of that company. Then, I go on the boards I know (like this one) and talk more about it and let other customers know that I don't think they should stand for that kind of business practice. 

If a game is just plain bad I do the exact same thing. Remember when DA2 sales dropped like a rock in comparison to other AAA titles? That was due to hundreds of thousands of consumers like me.

We aren't just individuals, none of us should ever let ourselves think that we are in a vaccum and our only power to is say no once. We are a community.

[1490]

Drake_Hound wrote...

There are 3 endings in the game without giving spoilers.
Which of the ending do you want explained ?

All the ending fits the story perfectly if you play it like a kill off companion game .
Kill samara miranda legion whatever , infact it fits even more if you can kill everyone .
Then the story is perfect . in the end you die too .. the universe ends too .
Everything with starchild is perfect , cause who cares am dying anyway .
Thus I do not need more clarification on the endings .

Problem is when i try so hard to save people , eh get attached to the people I save, the 3 ending doesn't make sense , none of the three endings fit .
No matter how they going to rewrite it , it wouldn't make sense .

That is the point I am trying to make , you have 3 dark choices that fits the theme eliminate them all , like highschool of dead or another zombie movie .
Sadly the game give us options to save people ... what for ?

I'm just trying to wrap my head around your goal here.  Are you just venting your frustration? Or are you trying to convince other people that there is no point to the endings? If that is the case, I'll maintain that I want to see what the extended cut DLC brings before I decide that.  It may completely change the way we look at the endings, who knows?  Or it might not, but if it doesn't, it's free so it's no more loss than you've already sustained.

[ElementL09]

Theres fanrage whenever a new game comes out and changes something. HAPPENS WITH EVERYGAME.

[Drake_Hound]

No just read what is stated there , i think most people have some wierd imagination about the 3 end choices .

Cause like people do not like realisme and quickly associate realisme with negativity .

The 3 end choice you have are all the same , for a minor detail the choice simply is the same out of your control .
no matter how you look at it , rewriting those 3 things will not change much .
Cause it is canon , relays will blow up that is crucial to them for future setting about FTL .
Shepard will die , also crucial to them , cause end of shepard saga .

Those two things are fundamental of all 3 choices , cause of future content .
So no matter how they rewrite those 2 things will stay in the game with the 3 choices.
The rest is irrelevant , we can give it tech bubble what ever needed .
As long there is no additional ending , that is it extended or not .

So basically to get the most enjoyment from the serie is to play it sadistically and not caring.
Wonder who has play trough the sole survivor from me2 setup ?

[kbct]

ElementL09 wrote...

Theres fanrage whenever a new game comes out and changes something. HAPPENS WITH EVERYGAME.

I don't think anyone disagrees with that. The question is the magnitude. ME3 is in a league of its own.

[Fenton]

My years of gaming fans on any of that said game forum will rage on anything from little things to big things. I think to stay away from forums most of the time and just play games like crazy and have a blast with em. So yeah if you don't like the forums just avoid it til it dies down and play like crazy.

[Gatt9]

Atakuma wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...
Which,  TBH,  you really should be contemplating right now considering the analyst report yesterday estimating only 1.5 million units sold out of the 3.8 million unit initial shipment. 

VGchartz estimates 3.4 mullion units sold, of course you aren't going to mention that because it doesn't enforce your argument.

I'd also caution you against putting the word lies in quotes,  as if there's no merit.  The BBB just called your ad campaign fradulent.  BiowareEA is on thin ice at this point,  that may very well be the first time the BBB has ever weighed in on a game's ad campaign versus the product delivered,  and you're likely now at risk of legal action.  Additionally,  I'm sure partners like the NFL and FIFA are watching.  Antagonizing the situation is not a good plan.

No they did not, someone who works there wrote an article about it. No official statement has been made and the person who wrote it is not a lawyer, so it means about as much as a opinion piece on IGN.

Do you know why I'm not going to mention that?

Sales figures on VGChartz are based on estimates extrapolated from small retail samples.[4] While offering some information about their methodology through their website,[5] VGChartz does not publish any sources on how they get their data. Some sites, including Gamasutra and Wired News, have questioned the reliability of the information presented by the site.[4][6] VGChartz has defended the credibility and reliability of its sales data,[7] often comparing their numbers with the ones published by NPD Group,[8] although some charts have been retroactively adjusted to better match NPD's monthly reports

It's because VGChartz numbers are well known to be inaccurate,  they refuse to detail how they're getting their numbers,  and major industry publications have gone on record calling them unreliable.

I don't know about you,  but personally I think it's quite foolish to take the word of a website known for retroactively changing their numbers to match the NPD reports,  which means their numbers are wrong,  over the words of an analyst whose job depends on his ability to correctly make projections.

Or to put it another way,  you just want those numbers to be true,  and you're going to ignore all of the problems with it.

As far as the BBB goes,  if you honestly believe this is the end of the BBB's involvement,  you may want to spend some time contemplating how an employee gets permission to print such an article.  If the BBB wasn't ready to back it up,  they wouldn't post it,  because were it to be wrong it'd be libel.

The fact that EA made no attempt to get it removed yet really should tell you what EA's legal team thinks of the validity of the claim.  The message there is that EA's legal team likely thinks their arguement won't hold.

[Travie]

http://kotaku.com/59...sely-advertised

Seems like high-up BBB employees think that Bioware falsely advertised the ending.

Well, isn't that the stinky pinky.

[AJRimmsey]

Travie wrote...

http://kotaku.com/59...sely-advertised

Seems like high-up BBB employees think that Bioware falsely advertised the ending.

Well, isn't that the stinky pinky.

actual fact is NO,BBB has nothing to say about bioware advertising.

all you had to do was actually check before posting.

www.bbb.org/edmonton/business-reviews/computers-system-designers-and-consultants/bioware-in-edmonton-ab-111723

Advertising Review

BBB has nothing to report concerning Bioware Corp's advertising at this time.

Modifié par AJRimmsey, 12 avril 2012 - 03:30 .

[Hatchetman77]

Really only DA2 and ME3 received this backlash.  Before this most people believed that BioWare could do no wrong.

I'm still trying to figure out why this backlash is much worse than DA2.'s.  DA2 was an obviously rushed and pretty lackluster game.  ME3 was 99.9% awesome with one giant flaw at the end.

[addiction21]

Travie wrote...

http://kotaku.com/59...sely-advertised

Seems like high-up BBB employees think that Bioware falsely advertised the ending.

Well, isn't that the stinky pinky.

The BBB said nothing. A person that works at the BBB on their blog (in the Consumer news and opinions section) mentioned a few statments made by the marketing people could be considered false advertising.

Of course Kotaku loves to make exaggerated statments because it draws hits.

Let me know when BBB officially declares the ME3 marketing campaign false advertising and then that would be something to get behind.

[animadpig]

1490 wrote...

I understand your frustration if they were not able to help you fix an installation issue: that's something they should be knowledgeable about.  But customer support staff is not going to be able to give you an answer on the endings, because they didn't have a hand in developing them and don't know any better than you do from playing the game.  They don't have direct contact with the devs, and even if they did, the devs couldn't tell them anything until the extended cut comes out because of NDAs.

This is what I think. This situation has been going for almost a month, and Bioware/EA still not have any official statement about "the Multiple Endings."  I don't blam customer service people becayse they can not answer this question. But, Bioware/EA can answer this question have been jeopardized the trust between me and them. I used to buy the game from Bioware, such ME1, ME2, KOTOR, DA:Origin, BG1 and BG2. I might not like all the game from Bioware but I think them have a fair logical storyline. However, the ending of ME3 is not logical to me because there is no clue in the trilogy to imply the creator and the solution. Regardless all, Bioware promise the mutilple endings of ME3 reflected the decision made in ME1 and ME2, i.e. Commander Shepard chose to not follow starchild's suggestion and just fire the wahtever the energy to destory the reaper, or simply kill the starchild to disable the reaper, or the united fleet concentrated all the fire powere to destory one reaper and lost a lot of people but buy more time to let other people to develop more powerful weapon. 

[Gemini1179]

Stanley Woo wrote...
 What I try to do is to get people to think about what and how they buy things, how they view and respond to marketing, and to encourage them to be more responsible with their consumerism.

And just how can you, an employee of BioWare, do the above objectively?

If we take our community for granted, we won't be able to make the kinds of games they're looking for. If the community takes us for granted, they're going to lose this valuable method of communicating directly with the very people making the games they want to play. I don't want either of those things to happen.

To whom is it the bigger loss? Do you think the consumer, with our incredibly short attention spans, would care in two years if BioWare went under? Oh, there'd be the 'old timers' who'd say "I remember when BioWare made games to be proud of," but more than likely, the rest would be distracted by the new hotness on the market. You communicating with us is FAR more beneficial to you than to us. We only get enjoyment out of it because we're impatient.

Stanley Woo wrote...

1490 wrote...

Stanley,
I'm sure you've been asked this many times already, but I'm just
curious: have you seen the ME3 ending, and if so, what is your take on
it?

Intentionally not involving myself in such
discussion. I don't want my comments taken as any kind of "official" or
"more important opinion" over anyone else's. those who agreed with me
woulduse my name and status as a validation of their cause, while those
who disagreed might see my opinion as an attack on or dismissal of their cause. not playing that game, sorry.

Mr. Woo, you already have said that you have no problems with the ending and that you were a part of the QA process. Again, I can see a loss of objectivity in this process.

[addiction21]

Gemini1179 wrote...
Snip objectivity

http://social.biowar...index/9428263/1 did they get your money? Did they get more money from you?

When a problem came up with your CE edition did you wait till it was figured out? Or did you lash out at BioWare?

I see you have ME3 registered so I can assume you either got your CE for Origins or you paid more for a copy.

It is easy to talk about objectivity as a consumer behind a computer screen but those working for the company have far more on their shoulders.

[Dire Wombat]

I visited these boards once a couple years ago and then ran off scared from all the negativity and Bioware-bashing. I couldn't believe it.

So when I heard that fans were angry about the end of ME3, I figured it was more of the same, and gave it no weight at all.

Aaand, now I'm back, lending my voice to the general sense of disgust with how the game ended. This time was special... it really was that bad. So it doesn't surprise me to see the long-time regulars saying that this is even worse than the usual complaining. This time it's warranted.

[Arik7]

This whole thread undermines the enormous backlash from the Mass Effect 3 ending. The overwhelming majority of players simply hates it. I've never seen the community more united in their denunciation before, BioWare has done the impossible. How did this get through the peer-review process? Oh wait, there wasn't one. Casey and Mac just plagarized the star child idea from a stupid song, and now everyone hates it. Ouch!

Modifié par Arik7, 12 avril 2012 - 04:32 .