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[Lord Phoebus]

Most of the fan rage in the past was related to the old Console Vs. PC war. With KotOR there was fear that BioWare was abandoning their PC fanbase, IIRC there was a significant delay between when that game was released for X-Box and when it was released for PC. I don't think there was as much furor about JE, but I think it was over a year between when it was first released and when it came to PC. With DAO there were some complaints that the game had been comprimised to run on consoles, it was originally annouced as a PC exclusive and then they changed the decision, although I suspect the very long development cycle was the cause for some of the dated graphics and engine qualities. This spilled over a bit to ME, since DAO was announced before ME was announced and ME was completed first. They also took a long time on the PC port with ME.

At this point things started to change. There were some complaints that ME has lost too many RPG elements. These complaints grew with ME2, but for the most part the user ratings were high and even on the boards the polls showed most forumites prefered it to ME1.

I think DA2 and ME3 are the first time the complaints are really about a lack of quality/production values. Which is something new and far more rage filled than the other forum wars.

[kbct]

PaddlePop wrote...

kbct wrote...

As measured by what? Polls? Worldwide media coverage? Number of negative user reviews?

DA2 user backlash was definitely worse on the forums than ME3's, however, ME3's recieving more coverage. Also, this time the users are more organised. I imagine if DA3 fails, this place will erupt into fullscale war. Bioware won't survive it.  

We need to measure it in some form. Otherwise, it is just opinion.

We could look at the polls. Largest ME3 poll has 71,000 votes. Largest DA2 poll has 2,000 votes.

We could look at the volume of negative user reviews on Amazon.

We could look at global media coverage. ME3 had articles in CNN, BBC, Forbes, New Yorker, MSNBC, etc.

Modifié par kbct, 09 avril 2012 - 09:01 .

[MortalEngines]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

DA2 rage came from Bioware spitting in the face of Dragonage fans and telling them, screw you guys we want a newer, BIGGER audience.

ME3 rage is from the most poorly written ending to a plot ever witnessed by mankind.

From being in the middle of both, ME3 rage is definitely worse. It's lasted longer, and it's a lot more one sided. It wasn't 91% of people who were upset with DA2 after all.

And the rage on KOTOR? Later seen as one of Bioware's better games. And the inital rage on Mass Effect and DA:O? You might not of been there, but I certainly remember it. People on BSN always find a couple of (most of the time legitmate) issues and blow them up as 'game-breaking' or 'series destoryer' when they're really not. 

[Foryou]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

kbct wrote...

I've been on and off these forums since BG2 and have never seen anything close to this.

I heard DA2 backlash was worse.


But it does seem sorta spoilish.  The last 3 or 4 games that have come out by Bioware have recieved lots of backlash......and then ppl go out and buy the next.

ME3 has had much more backlash then DA2 ME3 is a lot more personal attacks. And yeah I don't get all the hate either

[_symphony]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

Mere weeks before ME3 came out, if this board was any indication, ME2 was the worst game of all time and had effectively ruined the Mass Effect franchise.

Now ME1 and 2 are both brilliant, and ME3 is the retarded stepchild. And so it goes.

I do believe that ME2's plot was nonexistant and pointless, but compared to ME3 this becomes irrelevant, since it doesn't screw up over everything you fought for.

[PaddlePop]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

Mere weeks before ME3 came out, if this board was any indication, ME2 was the worst game of all time and had effectively ruined the Mass Effect franchise.

Now ME1 and 2 are both brilliant, and ME3 is the retarded stepchild. And so it goes.

If you compare it to ME3, ME2 is definitely the better game, but it still pales in comparison to the first. That just means, Bioware is throwing darts at a wall,  while blindfolded. The point you thought you're making is not nearly as clever as you might believe.. lol.
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[Anareth]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

DA2 rage came from Bioware spitting in the face of Dragonage fans and telling them, screw you guys we want a newer, BIGGER audience.

ME3 rage is from the most poorly written ending to a plot ever witnessed by mankind.

From being in the middle of both, ME3 rage is definitely worse. It's lasted longer, and it's a lot more one sided. It wasn't 91% of people who were upset with DA2 after all.

agreed. DA2 was decent, the plot wasn't nearly as good or as epic as the previous game, but then again that's what bioware was going for. Why, I have no idea but there it is.

[MortalEngines]

slyguy200 wrote...

I doubt any past up-roar has matched this.

More games, more fans, more uproar.

[Blastback]

I'd say part of it has to do with a number of fans who want more games in the vein of Baldur's Gate and KotOR feeling ignored and abandoned. The Mass Effect games are great, I love them, but it's fustrating to see Bioware focus on action RPGs while ignoring my favorite style of games that they have made. Bioware is moving in a direction that a number of fans such as myself are not happy with. And, at least in my case, there isn't anyone else who is making the kind of experiance I want.

Plus there are legitimate issues like the level reuse in DA2 which frustrate a lot of gamers.

[Kenshen]

First of all many of us have been supporting BW and their games for a long time now and do hold them to a higher standard, which probably isn't fair but looking back at the other games they have made the quality and excellence is there.

On the other hand there will always be people that are not happy with something and it doesn't matter what game or who made it. Usually that group is a rather small but vocal group. Looking past all the hate the ending threads there are still threads about this or that that someone didn't like so that hasn't changed. However the main focus of the hate/rage atm is targeted at the ending and for good reason but that is my opinion.

I do think something positive can be taken from all the hate that is currently out there and that is most people wouldn't get this bent about a video game if they really didn't care about it or the series to start with. Sure some only care about the cost of the game but I want to think most are like me that are so disappointed about so many things it is hard to put into words.

[Kondorr]

The earlier outcries and fan rage, was about people fearing, that Bioware would lose their ways (going for consoles, selling out to EA)...

Todays outcry is about the fact, that BW did indeed lose their ways... and yesterdays fears became todays bugs, bad game design choices and bad writing...

[PaddlePop]

Kondorr wrote...

The earlier outcries and fan rage, was about people fearing, that Bioware would lose their ways (going for consoles, selling out to EA)...

Todays outcry is about the fact, that BW did indeed lose their ways... and yesterdays fears became todays bugs, bad game design choices and bad writing...

QFT

[kbct]

MortalEngines wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

I doubt any past up-roar has matched this.

More games, more fans, more uproar.

Then where is the uproar over Skyrim? Where is the global media coverage of the backlash? Where are the official statements from the co-founder equivalent saying they'll alter their game?

Modifié par kbct, 09 avril 2012 - 09:17 .

[Peregrin25]

So, let me get this straight people are saying DA2 backlashing was worse than this. I dunno about that. This ME3 debacle has made it big even in big published magazine articles, not just the game industry journals. My personal opinion of DA2 I don't get what was so wrong with DA2. I loved it. Albeit not as good as Origins. I still had a blast. As far as backlashing for ME3 no one is harping on the bulk of the game so much as they are on the ending. 90% of fans will say the game was fine until the last 10 or so minutes. Then it just took a complete U turn into WTF territory lol.

[TRISTAN WERBE]

Ah yes "Internet rage" We thought Reach weddings were lame

[kbct]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

From being in the middle of both, ME3 rage is definitely worse. It's lasted longer, and it's a lot more one sided. It wasn't 91% of people who were upset with DA2 after all.

The forums were evenly split. Half liked it, half didn't.

[AzaggThoth]

aryon69 wrote...

First of all many of us have been supporting BW and their games for a long time now and do hold them to a higher standard, which probably isn't fair but looking back at the other games they have made the quality and excellence is there.

On the other hand there will always be people that are not happy with something and it doesn't matter what game or who made it. Usually that group is a rather small but vocal group. Looking past all the hate the ending threads there are still threads about this or that that someone didn't like so that hasn't changed. However the main focus of the hate/rage atm is targeted at the ending and for good reason but that is my opinion.

I do think something positive can be taken from all the hate that is currently out there and that is most people wouldn't get this bent about a video game if they really didn't care about it or the series to start with. Sure some only care about the cost of the game but I want to think most are like me that are so disappointed about so many things it is hard to put into words.

On the higher standards bit, it does not help BioWares case that they helped to set those standards so high in the first place then failed to deliver what they said they would. This is turning into as much a rage against poor customer service and the lowering of standards as it is against the endings on their own.

[MortalEngines]

kbct wrote...

MortalEngines wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

I doubt any past up-roar has matched this.

More games, more fans, more uproar.

Then where is the uproar over Skyrim? Where is the global media coverage of the backlash? Where are the official statements from the co-founder equivalent saying they'll alter their game?

Different fanbase. Bethesda fans in general tend not to get so annoyed and are alot more patient than the folks on BSN. And even then they get slammed from time to time. Or did you not see the slaughtering they got for all the bugs they have in the console games?

Also alot of people who bought Skyrim were not hard-core Elder Scrolls fans and most were either casual gamers or new to the series. People like that are less likely to get angry and irritated over aspects of the game.

Like I said, BSN has a way of inflating small issues. It just does. Bringing up other games doesn't change that. When you put more people on BSN, you get more inflation and more anger.

Modifié par MortalEngines, 09 avril 2012 - 09:22 .

[Kilshrek]

killnoob wrote...

i did not see any large scale backlash with DAO....even the poo storm of DA2 wasn't as big as this

^

This bit right here.

There was the obligatory gnashing of teeth and wailing and doomsaying, but for the most part it started before the game released, and was a sort of... sustained resentment by those who were very partial to DAO and didn't like the big departures from DAO that DA 2 made. People were a lot less... outright angry about things. There was no movement, there was no cupcake protest. There were just people on the forums, discussing how this and that were (to them) better or worse than something else, usually DAO.

But then there was also vitriol, but that's almost par for the course on any internet forum. let's not pretend it isn't.

[RukiaKuchki]

Cobra5 wrote...

DA2 was way way worse then this. For DA2 picture the storm over ME3, but the game critics also agreed it was a mistake, and bioware also agreed it was a mistake, and almost all of the post launch media was related to what a mistake it was and why and how they're going to make it better.

The truth is Bioware has crossed some sort of "quality threshold". You know the uncanny valley? How the more realistic something becomes, there is a threshold upon which it will actually look MORE unlrealistic as people begin to see what's wrong with it rather then whats right.

Its like that. In truth, Bioware games are far better then pretty much everything else on the market, ME3's ending included. Its better then COD or BF, better then the Bioshocks and the Final Fantasies and this and that. But they've crossed a line where many of the users will only ever see what is wrong, and not what is right, no matter how good it gets or how much better it is then what else is out there.

Take a look at the Witcher. Its much more linear then the ME series but people only see the branches in the story. The voice acting is much more flat and the animations far more repetitive and simple but people only see how cool the good characters are.

I think you've hit the nail right on the head here. Bioware are now paying the price for being better than most other comparable developers.

But seriously - did the DA2 guys get death threats? Was anyone prosecuted over it, because that is just out of order. I've seen some of the comments made on Twitter etc to Casey Hudson, Mac Walters etc, and some people really ought to 1) be thoroughly ashamed of themselves and 2) get a grip on reality. These are games afterall...