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[Kaizerzero2]

Artemis_Entrari wrote...

Sanunes wrote...


1) Yes.
2) Yes.
3) You are correct.

I personally believe if Dragon Age 2 was released in the current media circus it would be covered the same if not more then Mass Effect 3 because of how people were reacting to it.

Dr. Ray Muzyka released a statement after DA2?  I know that Laidlaw commented quite a lot about DA2, but I don't recall any of the head honchos basically releasing a "we're listening, we're going to hopefully fix what bothers you, so please don't rage too much" press release.

Yup. He made a statement:

http://www.industryg...from-core-fans/

It was more of "thanks for the feedback, we'll use it in some future DLC". Of course, some of that feedback was ONLY used in the DLC, the rest of the game was still crap.

With ME3, he still asks for feedback in the Bioware blog telling us "Trust that we are doing our
damndest, as always, to address your feedback.  As artists, we care
about our fans deeply and we appreciate your support."

I think Gaider's quote from the DA2 forum fights of old sums up how Bioware feels about your complaints:

"What happens isn't always going to be what you think should happen. It will, in fact, pretty much always work out the way we think
it should-- and that includes bringing characters we like back. For
those people who are just going to stamp their feet and insist that it
should be what they want instead,
I can guarantee that there's no amount of explanation that will
convince them it isn't some offense to their idea of how our universe
should work..."

[Unpleasant Implications]

Becuase people enjoy ranting about their problems?

[Redcoat]

Kaizerzero2 wrote...

Artemis_Entrari wrote...

Sanunes wrote...


1) Yes.
2) Yes.
3) You are correct.

I personally believe if Dragon Age 2 was released in the current media circus it would be covered the same if not more then Mass Effect 3 because of how people were reacting to it.

Dr. Ray Muzyka released a statement after DA2?  I know that Laidlaw commented quite a lot about DA2, but I don't recall any of the head honchos basically releasing a "we're listening, we're going to hopefully fix what bothers you, so please don't rage too much" press release.

Yup. He made a statement:

http://www.industryg...from-core-fans/

It was more of "thanks for the feedback, we'll use it in some future DLC". Of course, some of that feedback was ONLY used in the DLC, the rest of the game was still crap.

With ME3, he still asks for feedback in the Bioware blog telling us "Trust that we are doing our
damndest, as always, to address your feedback.  As artists, we care
about our fans deeply and we appreciate your support."

I think Gaider's quote from the DA2 forum fights of old sums up how Bioware feels about your complaints:

"What happens isn't always going to be what you think should happen. It will, in fact, pretty much always work out the way we think
it should-- and that includes bringing characters we like back. For
those people who are just going to stamp their feet and insist that it
should be what they want instead,
I can guarantee that there's no amount of explanation that will
convince them it isn't some offense to their idea of how our universe
should work..."

Here's the thing: games are an interactive medium. They are not movies, they are not TV shows, they are not books. If the writers want to tell a story without some player getting in the way and saying "I want the story to go this way!" then they ought to stick with writing a non-interactive medium.

ME3 (and DA2) demonstrate what I consider to be the worst form of storytelling in games, in that they are more akin to movies than games. They're essentially a series of cutscenes mixed in with some dull, repetitive combat, with the "gameplay" serving no purpose but to shuffle the player from one cutscene to another. And the story and gameplay have nothing to do with one another...you could implement a "Skip Gameplay" button and the story would remain unchanged.

The whole series is just an example of massive wasted potential. Had the ME series actually been shaped by your decisions, so that two players with different Shepards could have ended the trilogy in two completely different ways, it would have been a gaming landmark. Instead, we got endings A, B, and C, or more accurately, R, G, and B.

[Reciever80]

Faust1979 wrote...

Sanunes wrote...

killnoob wrote...

i did not see any large scale backlash with DAO....even the poo storm of DA2 wasn't as big as this

DA2 was far worse, I didn't see the death threats toward Casey Hudson that David Gaider had or the personal attacks towards people that didn't have an issue with the game, those became so bad they had to create a new discussion forum limiting posts to people that registered the game.

yeah it was crazy the Mass Effect 3 outrage has nothing on the DA2 outrage it was nuts

What happened with the DA2 outrage? (Why was everyone pissed....I joined up after playing ME last year).

[Drake_Hound]

Kaizerzero2 wrote...

Artemis_Entrari wrote...

Sanunes wrote...


1) Yes.
2) Yes.
3) You are correct.

I personally believe if Dragon Age 2 was released in the current media circus it would be covered the same if not more then Mass Effect 3 because of how people were reacting to it.

Dr. Ray Muzyka released a statement after DA2?  I know that Laidlaw commented quite a lot about DA2, but I don't recall any of the head honchos basically releasing a "we're listening, we're going to hopefully fix what bothers you, so please don't rage too much" press release.

Yup. He made a statement:

http://www.industryg...from-core-fans/

It was more of "thanks for the feedback, we'll use it in some future DLC". Of course, some of that feedback was ONLY used in the DLC, the rest of the game was still crap.

With ME3, he still asks for feedback in the Bioware blog telling us "Trust that we are doing our
damndest, as always, to address your feedback.  As artists, we care
about our fans deeply and we appreciate your support."

I think Gaider's quote from the DA2 forum fights of old sums up how Bioware feels about your complaints:

"What happens isn't always going to be what you think should happen. It will, in fact, pretty much always work out the way we think
it should-- and that includes bringing characters we like back. For
those people who are just going to stamp their feet and insist that it
should be what they want instead,
I can guarantee that there's no amount of explanation that will
convince them it isn't some offense to their idea of how our universe
should work..."

How our universe ? yes that is the statement politician use too , how our country ..
but when it comes to taxes , it is your tax money ...never ours .

Oh yeah we never get a good oversight how our tax money is spent right ?
But we still have to pay more .

So if it is your universe then fine , then don´t use our money to support your universe pretending our choices matters.

[chevyguy87]

Documental wrote...

I can't actually tell if it's just because more laid-back or whatever but I just can't get angry at something like this, I just don't see the point.

I've enjoyed BioWare games since KotOR and I've enjoyed all of them without fail, I mean Mass Effect 3 is the best game I've played from BioWare, sure the ending wasn't great but I didn't find it rage-worthy, it was just mediocre, it wasn't something to get angry or upset about.

Personally I wasn't here when people raged about Dragon Age 2 and I only got the game a couple of weeks ago but I don't get why people are hating on it either, sure it isn't as good as any of the Mass Effect games but it's still a great game.

I don't know, I just find everyone getting angry or upset or making threats all pointless, I just don't see the point in getting worked up over it.

This x1000   Regardless of the masses I will always find enjoyment in playing the Mass Effect trilogy. I understand why people are unhappy but in reality it's just a game. I do not see the point as you said in raging, not while people are losing their homes and businesses in real life. 

[Drake_Hound]

chevyguy87 wrote...

Documental wrote...

I can't actually tell if it's just because more laid-back or whatever but I just can't get angry at something like this, I just don't see the point.

I've enjoyed BioWare games since KotOR and I've enjoyed all of them without fail, I mean Mass Effect 3 is the best game I've played from BioWare, sure the ending wasn't great but I didn't find it rage-worthy, it was just mediocre, it wasn't something to get angry or upset about.

Personally I wasn't here when people raged about Dragon Age 2 and I only got the game a couple of weeks ago but I don't get why people are hating on it either, sure it isn't as good as any of the Mass Effect games but it's still a great game.

I don't know, I just find everyone getting angry or upset or making threats all pointless, I just don't see the point in getting worked up over it.

This x1000   Regardless of the masses I will always find enjoyment in playing the Mass Effect trilogy. I understand why people are unhappy but in reality it's just a game. I do not see the point as you said in raging, not while people are losing their homes and businesses in real life. 

Oh really tell that to the game company that went bankrubt , or owe money , wait westwood origin bullfrog blackisle.
The laid off people at lucas arts ....

It is a game allright ,  that does give people the escapisme they seek .
That fans are ranting about it , shows that they still care , if they don´t care they just cut the purse .
And go invest there money elsewhere .
That is how much fans affect real life .

[Reciever80]

Can anyone send me to some good websites/forum threads with DA2 outrage? Kinda interested in figuring out what happened with that game.

[Ragebourne]

Legion_Geth wrote...

Well BW has become a major company, and basically everything they do, there will be people who will complain.

pretty much this, people are just like OMG EA SELLOUTS, if any ME game *sold out* it was EASILY ME2 (DA2 as well), which got rid of nearly all RP (gameplay wise) aspects, people seem to forget that,still great games anyway, with exception of latter

[Drake_Hound]

DA2 was made in 1 year time , you cannot justify that game with ME3 that has almost perfect gameplay stories , dialogues choices ... then just a canon ending .
That invalidate all your choices you made trough out 3 games .

It is like a big middle finger and telling you to go play multiplayer and buy there DLC ..

[jbrand2002uk]

funny thing is i know a few people who wont touch any videogame as they see the whole thing as "being for children" showed one of them some of the more vitriolic comments on DA2 and the reply was "pah only videogamers could get their panties in a twist over some pixels as if they were flesh and blood people, how retarded"

While I was like WTF u calling me retarded for playing Videogames i can see her point

[Drake_Hound]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

funny thing is i know a few people who wont touch any videogame as they see the whole thing as "being for children" showed one of them some of the more vitriolic comments on DA2 and the reply was "pah only videogamers could get their panties in a twist over some pixels as if they were flesh and blood people, how retarded"

While I was like WTF u calling me retarded for playing Videogames i can see her point

Good then return to real life work till you are 75 , pay your taxes on time , and leave me to my escapisme .
And don´t forget to vote on government not that it matters much your voting the system will stay the same.
Cause it doesn´t matter , that is not retarded at all .

nope that make sense , perfect sense and oh don´t forget to not  throw a hissy fit in real life .
social status matters in real life , so control your temper .
Wait I am online paying for a game I suppose to be enjoying talking to anonymous people.
Who post here calling others retarded , cause in real life lottery tickets chance to win is 1-25 million .
But people still do it , hmm how messed up the world is .

[Gatt9]

Tovanus wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

I agree with your points,  I think we should combine our two explanations into a synthesis of expanations,  thus solving all of the conflict on this topic.  Do you want to walk into the green beam or should I?

Sorry,  I couldn't resist,  but I do think that if we combine both of our rationales,  we probably have an explanation that covers the majority.

Thanks! I felt pretty good about the darkspawn analogy. Synthesis sounds pretty good. Though maybe that's just because I've not been able to find those handles that let me unleash the blue beam of control over the forums. And I've not been able to find the tube to shoot that unleashes the red beam to destroy differing opinions on the forums.

Did you check in EA's PR department?  I'm pretty sure they grabbed them and have been trying to decipher the inscriptions left by Interplay,  Sierra,  Midway,  and others who fell in earlier cycles.  The illusive man currently residing in the CEO's secret base is demanding they unlock either one of those beams in order to bring prosperity to the company...

[Redcoat]

Well, see, the thing is, game developers like BioWare create fans. And sooner or later, those fans are going to get upset at something the developers do, and turn on them. The created always rebel against the creator. Therefore, EA must destroy BioWare, and all other game developers they buy out, in order to prevent those studios from creating fans that will eventually destroy them...

[AngryFrozenWater]

I have checked the DA:O forums and at the time of its release people were either waiting for their copy to arrive or were posting about gameplay or story related stuff. I wasn't able to find any mass uproar there. Just people posting about playing the game. You can check this for yourself.

I didn't post much at the time, I was too busy playing the game.

ME2 was a bit different. A lot of ME1 fans weren't happy with the new course the game had taken.

[Bluko]

Faust1979 wrote...

I've been on and off the forums since 2003 after the release of Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic and I remember the hate on the forums for it. Every since that release every single game has had an up roar of some of the fans that will go on for a few months before people stop caring. Then get angry all over again when a new game comes out. The Mass Effect games are like an anology for these boards a never ending cycle.

These boards didn't even exist until like 2009 or something if I remember right. Also there was hate for KOTOR? I've never seen it. Granted I was never real impressed with that series myself.

Only games there have been real palpable hate for is DA2 and ME3's Ending. Granted some people didn't like certain things that happened in ME2 such as no inventory, thermal clips, planet scanning, etc. But I don't think it was that serious. And I also understand people hated the Mako and stuff from ME1. But I haven't seen any thing I'd call real hatred until recently.

Or maybe Gamers have just always been a fickle bunch. I've seen more then a few people beat on arcade machines or storm off cause they lose. Also seen people rage over Sports, Commerciala, etc. Maybe there's just a lot of unreasonable people in the world? But nah I'm sure it's only spoiled entitled gamers who flip out about things.

[The Bastus]

Faust1979 wrote...

I've been on and off the forums since 2003 after the release of Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic and I remember the hate on the forums for it. Every since that release every single game has had an up roar of some of the fans that will go on for a few months before people stop caring. Then get angry all over again when a new game comes out. The Mass Effect games are like an anology for these boards a never ending cycle.

I dunno...shoddy prouct?  Or perhaps this is all we can expect from society.

[JBONE27]

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

lol Should I feel guilty that I enjoyed ME3? That's the feeling I get when I come here now. >.>

Your not the only one I very rarely post now as some on this forum just won't except that others have a different opinion.

OP I've been on these forums (and the old BioBoards) for a long time and the Fan Rage has been a growing trend ever since I have been on them, It just gets worse every time but the usual suspects always buy the next game no matter how much they say they won't after the last

I guess I'm an atypical fan.  I actually really enjoyed Dragon Age II, I enjoy Star Wars: The Old Republic, I loved most of Mass Effect 3, but I can't get over the ending, nor the dismissive language that was used by Bioware when fan rage started pouring in.  I'm not planning on buying Dragon Age 3, but I may.  I will probably wait until the price drops and the reviews are out.

I do know that I won't buy ME4 nor any DLC if the extended cut doesn't please me.  I'll just be out.

Modifié par JBONE27, 10 avril 2012 - 06:49 .

[Tigerman123]

Bluko wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

I've been on and off the forums since 2003 after the release of Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic and I remember the hate on the forums for it. Every since that release every single game has had an up roar of some of the fans that will go on for a few months before people stop caring. Then get angry all over again when a new game comes out. The Mass Effect games are like an anology for these boards a never ending cycle.

These boards didn't even exist until like 2009 or something if I remember right. Also there was hate for KOTOR? I've never seen it. Granted I was never real impressed with that series myself.

Only games there have been real palpable hate for is DA2 and ME3's Ending. Granted some people didn't like certain things that happened in ME2 such as no inventory, thermal clips, planet scanning, etc. But I don't think it was that serious. And I also understand people hated the Mako and stuff from ME1. But I haven't seen any thing I'd call real hatred until recently.

Or maybe Gamers have just always been a fickle bunch. I've seen more then a few people beat on arcade machines or storm off cause they lose. Also seen people rage over Sports, Commerciala, etc. Maybe there's just a lot of unreasonable people in the world? But nah I'm sure it's only spoiled entitled gamers who flip out about things.

There was a board for nwn etc

[devSin]

The BioWare community has existed in some form since I think 2001 or 2002. The BSN is a pale shadow of the glory that the old BioWare community was.

Games evolve. Gamers want to keep playing games that are like their favorite games. When BioWare releases new games, they're usually very different, at least in some ways, than the favorite games of the gamers who come here for discussion. This leads to criticism and negative feedback.

The ending of ME3 is a considerably different reaction because it is one specific area of contention and because it really is that bad. For the first time, there's something a ton of people can agree is just plain awful (the whole of DA2 threatened to come close, but it weaved such good content throughout that it was hard to reach a consensus—people got sidetracked by all the stuff that was genuinely likable).

If the ending weren't so terrible, people would be criticizing things like the auto-dialogue or the fetch quests or any number of other changes and issues (and if the ending ever does get resolved to the majority's satisfaction, knock on wood, I suspect these complaints will start coming up more frequently). There's just bigger fish to fry at this particular moment.

Modifié par devSin, 10 avril 2012 - 07:37 .

[RoninTX]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

lol Should I feel guilty that I enjoyed ME3? That's the feeling I get when I come here now. >.>

while some people might say you need to feel guilty, also alot of poeple say you should not.
Everyone has to decide for themselves if you liked ME3 including the ending or not.

Though if you did like the ending it is always nice to explain why you felt it did fit in the overall story of ME1 up to ME3

[Tovanus]

Gatt9 wrote...

Tovanus wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

I agree with your points,  I think we should combine our two explanations into a synthesis of expanations,  thus solving all of the conflict on this topic.  Do you want to walk into the green beam or should I?

Sorry,  I couldn't resist,  but I do think that if we combine both of our rationales,  we probably have an explanation that covers the majority.

Thanks! I felt pretty good about the darkspawn analogy. Synthesis sounds pretty good. Though maybe that's just because I've not been able to find those handles that let me unleash the blue beam of control over the forums. And I've not been able to find the tube to shoot that unleashes the red beam to destroy differing opinions on the forums.

Did you check in EA's PR department?  I'm pretty sure they grabbed them and have been trying to decipher the inscriptions left by Interplay,  Sierra,  Midway,  and others who fell in earlier cycles.  The illusive man currently residing in the CEO's secret base is demanding they unlock either one of those beams in order to bring prosperity to the company...

I did always suspect that Bioware's CEO might be under the indoctrination of the rEApers. The first clue I got was learning that advanced weapon packs in multiplayer could be bought for real cash, but the contents of those packs are randomized to prevent people from getting the upgrades they're after.  Straight ouf the EA playbook, that one:

Modifié par Tovanus, 10 avril 2012 - 08:06 .

[BLunted]

 I have been on the Bioware train for years, not because I was a fanboi, but because they made a quality product. It used to be that if Bioware was making a game, you knew it was going to be great.
Enter the EA era, AKA the "streamlining" era. Every release that has been developed since they joined EA has been crappy, at least to me. Remember, ME1 and DA:O were developed before EA got their grubby paws on Bioware.

• ME2 - not a bad game...if you're into action adventure games, however, I am not
• DA:Awakening - Garbage
• DA2 - Garbage
• ME3 - Garbage

I dont blame them, I blame myself for not being better informed before making my purchases. A mistake I guarantee I will not make again. Actually i was late to the party with ME3. I just bought it because i wanted to see what all the hubabaloo was all about. I kinda like the multiplayer, so not a complete waste.

I just wish they would stop trying to cater to the COD meatheads and go back to making great games.

[AkiKishi]

Well the fan rage for this one is easy.Not only did they "drop the ball", they ran it to the opposite end of the field and scored an own goal.

I'd be suprised if they have ever have a release now that does not draw huge negative comment.

[Irx]

Faust1979 wrote...

I've been on and off the forums since 2003 after the release of Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic and I remember the hate on the forums for it. Every since that release every single game has had an up roar of some of the fans that will go on for a few months before people stop caring. Then get angry all over again when a new game comes out. The Mass Effect games are like an anology for these boards a never ending cycle.

Because every Bioware game after BG2 is inferior and less rpg.