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[Chromie]

Irxy wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

I've been on and off the forums since 2003 after the release of Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic and I remember the hate on the forums for it. Every since that release every single game has had an up roar of some of the fans that will go on for a few months before people stop caring. Then get angry all over again when a new game comes out. The Mass Effect games are like an anology for these boards a never ending cycle.

Because every Bioware game after BG2 is inferior and less rpg.

Yup.

[FlamingBoy]

you could argue that this is the last straw for some people, that they have had enough of the feeling of being cheated
not that it is definitive just a possibility

[fchopin]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

ME3 rage is from the most poorly written ending to a plot ever witnessed by mankind.

Disagree, the DA2 ending is the worst ending ever made in a game.
 
I am fine with the ME3 ending, just need more clarification and the plot holes fixed.

[AngryFrozenWater]

fchopin wrote...

LegendaryBlade wrote...

ME3 rage is from the most poorly written ending to a plot ever witnessed by mankind.

Disagree, the DA2 ending is the worst ending ever made in a game.
 
I am fine with the ME3 ending, just need more clarification and the plot holes fixed.

Not me. Ghehe. My Shepards cannot use any of the 3 options. I kid you not. The geth and the quarians get along just fine and Joker and EDI are deeply in love. Shepard wants to kill the reapers, but that also kills the geth and EDI. The other options let the reapers unpunished after committing countless genocides. I either end up as an undead reaper dictator or as a strand of DNA which automatigically spreads love to all synthetics and organics. And we already got enough of that love. What's worse is that my Shepards never get the girl. Sufficient to say that all 3 options provide a solution to a non-existing problem: The imaginary synthetic/organic war. The silly Star Child just doesn't seem to understand that his wand only needs to cast the reapers away. Everything else is already taken care of. And his urge to kill me and declare me a martyr of an imaginary war is quite unnecessary.

[fchopin]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

fchopin wrote...

LegendaryBlade wrote...

ME3 rage is from the most poorly written ending to a plot ever witnessed by mankind.

Disagree, the DA2 ending is the worst ending ever made in a game.
 
I am fine with the ME3 ending, just need more clarification and the plot holes fixed.

Not me. Ghehe. My Shepards cannot use any of the 3 options. I kid you not. The geth and the quarians get along just fine and Joker and EDI are deeply in love. Shepard wants to kill the reapers, but that also kills the geth and EDI. The other options let the reapers unpunished after committing countless genocides. I either end up as an undead reaper dictator or as a strand of DNA which automatigically spreads love to all synthetics and organics. And we already got enough of that love. What's worse is that my Shepards never get the girl. Sufficient to say that all 3 options provide a solution to a non-existing problem: The imaginary synthetic/organic war. The silly Star Child just doesn't seem to understand that his wand only needs to cast the reapers away. Everything else is already taken care of. And his urge to kill me and declare me a martyr of an imaginary war is quite unnecessary.

I only use the destroy ending in my games as that is the only ending as far as i am concerned and i think EDI survived in one of my endings so not sure if the Geth are dead or not.
 
Even if the Geth die it will only be Geth that are near the gates as most of the Galaxy is not effected by what happens so saying that all synthetics will die is a joke, only synthetics that are near the gates will be effected. Most of the galaxy will not even care what happens let alone other galaxies.

[AngryFrozenWater]

fchopin wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

fchopin wrote...

LegendaryBlade wrote...

ME3 rage is from the most poorly written ending to a plot ever witnessed by mankind.

Disagree, the DA2 ending is the worst ending ever made in a game.
 
I am fine with the ME3 ending, just need more clarification and the plot holes fixed.

Not me. Ghehe. My Shepards cannot use any of the 3 options. I kid you not. The geth and the quarians get along just fine and Joker and EDI are deeply in love. Shepard wants to kill the reapers, but that also kills the geth and EDI. The other options let the reapers unpunished after committing countless genocides. I either end up as an undead reaper dictator or as a strand of DNA which automatigically spreads love to all synthetics and organics. And we already got enough of that love. What's worse is that my Shepards never get the girl. Sufficient to say that all 3 options provide a solution to a non-existing problem: The imaginary synthetic/organic war. The silly Star Child just doesn't seem to understand that his wand only needs to cast the reapers away. Everything else is already taken care of. And his urge to kill me and declare me a martyr of an imaginary war is quite unnecessary.

I only use the destroy ending in my games as that is the only ending as far as i am concerned and i think EDI survived in one of my endings so not sure if the Geth are dead or not.
 
Even if the Geth die it will only be Geth that are near the gates as most of the Galaxy is not effected by what happens so saying that all synthetics will die is a joke, only synthetics that are near the gates will be effected. Most of the galaxy will not even care what happens let alone other galaxies.

You clearly didn't hear what Star Child promised you about Destruction. And if your EMS is too low you won't it survive either.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 10 avril 2012 - 10:25 .

[fchopin]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

You clearly didn't hear what Star Child promised you about Destruction. And if your EMS is too low you won't it survive either.

The star child can promise whatever it wants, i know what is possible and what is not, the star child only has power where the relays and reapers are concerned and only a small part of our galaxy.
 
I can only get about 3550 EMS points so my Shepard dies until this is fixed.

[AngryFrozenWater]

fchopin wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

You clearly didn't hear what Star Child promised you about Destruction. And if your EMS is too low you won't it survive either.

The star child can promise whatever it wants, i know what is possible and what is not, the star child only has power where the relays and reapers are concerned and only a small part of our galaxy.
 
I can only get about 3550 EMS points so my Shepard dies until this is fixed.

Fine. Only the geth nearby then. Although I do not agree. There are lots of geth nearby. They really do not deserve to die in his imaginary war. They came there to help my Shepards. How hard is that to understand?

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 10 avril 2012 - 10:39 .

[fchopin]

It’s not a case of understanding, i would love for the Geth to survive and i am sure some will whatever the star child says but i would be prepared to sacrifice Earth if it was necessary to kill the reapers as we would still survive with other Earth colonists.

[T1l]

Nothing compares to what BiowarEA has seen with Dragon Age 2/Mass Effect 3.

They're equally both the biggest proverbial poo-storm I've seen, and both are comparable to each other.

[Hussain747715]

Anareth wrote...

LegendaryBlade wrote...

DA2 rage came from Bioware spitting in the face of Dragonage fans and telling them, screw you guys we want a newer, BIGGER audience.

ME3 rage is from the most poorly written ending to a plot ever witnessed by mankind.

From being in the middle of both, ME3 rage is definitely worse. It's lasted longer, and it's a lot more one sided. It wasn't 91% of people who were upset with DA2 after all.

agreed. DA2 was decent, the plot wasn't nearly as good or as epic as the previous game, but then again that's what bioware was going for. Why, I have no idea but there it is.

Yeah right, I remmember my blood mage Hawke condemening the acts of blood mages and walking around templers for the enitre game which striked me as a WTF? the entire game. 

[AkiKishi]

Hussain747715 wrote...
Yeah right, I remmember my blood mage Hawke condemening the acts of blood mages and walking around templers for the enitre game which striked me as a WTF? the entire game. 

Having just tossed around blood magic like confetti at a wedding the Templars ask you if you have seen any blood mages...

[TheRealJayDee]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Hussain747715 wrote...
Yeah right, I remmember my blood mage Hawke condemening the acts of blood mages and walking around templers for the enitre game which striked me as a WTF? the entire game. 

Having just tossed around blood magic like confetti at a wedding the Templars ask you if you have seen any blood mages...

The whole "nobody in the city run by extremist templars notices you're walking around in mage robes with a mage staff and throwing fireballs in the middle of the street"-bull**** prevented me from playing a mage. I tried, but it was just too stupid.

[crawfs]

I definitely think the ME3 hate is worse. for two reasons:

The first is that it's practically unanimous, almost every single person who played ME3 hates the ending and has gone onto the forums to **** about it.

The dragon age 2 hate, although fairly widespread, didn't seem to have lasted this long. Not only that but there were people who still liked the game despite its flaws. Mass effect 3 on the other hand has left a sour taste in the mouth of every player to have witnessed the ending.

[DigitalAvatar]

This is not a small issue isolated to BSN. This is a ****storm of unprecedented proportions.
70k votes in a BSN poll, over 90% negative? Hundreds of negative user reviews on retailer websites? $80,000 donated to a charity in the name of this issue? Specific mentions in Forbes? Yes, the ending really is THAT bad. It's a complete disgrace. This explosion has also highlighted the misleading statements made by its team leaders. Seriously, who the hell is going to trust these people again?

I haven't followed much gaming news and missed the DA2 uproar. I read a couple of reviews, realised it abandoned almost everything that made DA:O special, and didn't bother with it. I remember brief flashes of discontent over KotOR being developed for Xbox first, and Mass Effect being console-only at first, and DA:O being consolised as well, but absolutely nothing like this.

Somebody earlier in the thread mentioned the Baldur's Gate novels. God damn they were unbelievably awful. Possibly worse than Mass Effect Deception (although to be fair I haven't read it). And even given that those novels were complete disasters, I think they still had a better ending than Mass Effect 3.

[Kondorr]

I don't remeber DA2 getting a DLC that fixed it...
although that would have to be a whole new game...

at least they can still save ME3...

[aeonlifestream]

If it's a sequel, for the most part, many fans are self entitled whiners who think they could do a better job than the game developers and this and that. It honestly gives fans of a company a bad rap, and gamers in general.

[Tigerman123]

There are people that think that BG2 was a step down in quality from the first game to this day; perhaps there would've been irate threads back then :innocent:

Modifié par Tigerman123, 10 avril 2012 - 02:35 .

[DemGeth]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

kbct wrote...

I've been on and off these forums since BG2 and have never seen anything close to this.

I heard DA2 backlash was worse.


But it does seem sorta spoilish.  The last 3 or 4 games that have come out by Bioware have recieved lots of backlash......and then ppl go out and buy the next.

People didn't have one thing to focus on in the DA backlash.  Also it was different kinds of people.  These were the peeps who were more old-school rpg fans from the BG days.  This backlash is more fanboyish if you know what I mean.

The old school peeps just voiced displeasure and returned/got rid of DA II.  

They're long gone. 

[Kenshen]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Hussain747715 wrote...
Yeah right, I remmember my blood mage Hawke condemening the acts of blood mages and walking around templers for the enitre game which striked me as a WTF? the entire game. 

Having just tossed around blood magic like confetti at a wedding the Templars ask you if you have seen any blood mages...

The whole "nobody in the city run by extremist templars notices you're walking around in mage robes with a mage staff and throwing fireballs in the middle of the street"-bull**** prevented me from playing a mage. I tried, but it was just too stupid.

Actually they did notice but just didn't say anything because you were being protected by the deeds you had done for the city.  I should say they noticed you as just a mage, being a blood mage is a problem.

[metawanderer]

I also remember when MDK 2 first came out (2000). People on the Usenet forums (before the official Bioware forums) were claiming that Bioware is dead and that everyone should play Black Isle games and yadda yadda yadda.

[AllThatJazz]

 I do remember some hostility when BG2 was released. 'Why have the crazy Ranger and the annoying Druid been forced on me when I specifically killed them every time I played BG1?' RAAAAGGGGE 'Why is the only random exploration those three little forest areas towards the end of the game? RAAAAAAGGGE 'Anomen' RAAAAAAAGGGE (okay, that one was justified). Ah, good times.


There is a certain level of fangst and fury with every game released. People didn't like the combat or the fact you couldn't have more than one companion at a time in Jade Empire, they didn't like Carth or the combat or Manaan in KotOR, the NWN OC was loathed in general, ME was dumbed down console rubbish and all the planets looked the same, there were complaints in Origins that you could only get a happy ending with your LI if someone shagged Morrigan, plus not enough like the Baldurs' Gate games it was supposedly the 'spiritual successor' of, ME2 had no plot and was even more dumbed down than ME1, DA2 EVERYTHING WAS TERRIBLE, ME3 largely the ending. (Note: these aren't necessarily my opinions, they are just the various issues I remember from spending far too much time on the BioBoards ).


I definitely think the social networking thing is making a difference here - it's so much easier to galvanise people via Facebook or Twitter, to keep the Anger going 24/7. There's very little downtime, no space for people to chill out a little bit. Also, the rage is focused on one very specific part of the game - which helps, from the point of view of having a common cause and creating a kind of 'echo chamber' effect on the forums. With DA2, everyone hated different things, or everything, or most things, it was all over the place. With ME3, it's pretty much one thing - the ending. I realise that there are people who are disappointed with the game for more reasons that that, but their voices are being a little drowned out at the moment, because this focused ending-rage is so all-consuming on the BSN. That's my take, anyway, fwiw.

 

[Dartack]

I never had any "hate" on any other Bioware games till ME3. Only issue I had with DA2 was it ended as a stepping stone for a third game. But ME3 what I thought was suppose to wrap up and bring closure to the mass effect trilogy ended as a universe of plot holes and conflicting logic

[Merwanor]

What! did people get angry for KOTOR?! How? when it came out it was one of the best games I have ever played, still is one of the best games, at least the best Star Wars game. I haven not been visiting Bioware forums for very long, mostly when DAO came out I started browsing a few threads here and there. But I have not seen as much rage for Bioware games like ME3, other than maybe DA2.