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[fr33stylez]

rex285 wrote...

4stringwizard wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

fr33stylez wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

4stringwizard wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Heretics served the Reapers, a minority. The rest stayed on their planet and fought the Reaper control. In ME3 they were forced to serve the Reapers due to Quarians threatening Genocide. The Quarians were at fault YET AGAIN.

They weren't forced.  THEY CHOSE.  They had other options.  They just didn't use them. 

/Logic

No, they were forced. The Quarians were threatening to wipe them out and Legion was captured and forced to feed information to push the Geth to join the Reapers. Had the Geth not obeyed the Quarians would have wiped them out.

They were not forced. They had a choice. If you believe turning to the Reapers when you're in a diffcult position is the right thing to do, then you're against everything Shepard stood for.

It's like saying I'm forced to set off a bomb in my school in order to escape a bunch of bullies.

You're not understanding anything. Let me try and speak in a manner that you will understand.

The Geth either joined the Reapers or get wiped out by the Reapers on one front and the Quarians on another. Than the Reapers wipe out the Quarians. They didn't want to die and didn't want to kill their creators. When they do kill their creators it was in self-defense yet again. The Quarians are just repeating their same dark history all over again.

They didn't have to side with the Reapers.  They could have fought them.  Heck, they could have even fled when the Quarians came.  But no, they chose to side with an evil entity.  Even if they couldn't have fled, it doesn't justify their actions. 

An analogy: say Russia was attacking the U.S (or whatever country you may belong to) and bent on destroying it.  Then out of the blue, an alien race descends on earth - and they're bent on wiping out humans everywhere.  However, they offer your country weapon technology that gives you a chance to fight off Russia IF you side with them.  Would you have sided with the aliens, knowing what their goal was?  

If your answer was yes, then I question your sense as a human. 

If the Russians continued to attack me, such as the Quarians did when the reapers invaded, then Yes i would because once Russia is dealt with I can unite with the rest of the world and use my new "toys" to fight off the aliens.

Your analogy was absolutely terrible...

LOL. Wait - so you think that the Geth after destorying the Quarians could just tell the Reapers 'goodbye'?

Seriously? lol.

If that was true, Shepard would not have been needed in ME3. I don't think you understand the implications of the Geth agreeing to Reaper tech.

[wantedman dan]

Olueq wrote...
oh my god, what DO they teach you in the US? How to not think?

LAWL

[4stringwizard]

Elite Midget wrote...

4stringwizard wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

4stringwizard wrote...

They didn't have to side with the Reapers.  They could have fought them.  Heck, they could have even fled when the Quarians came.  But no, they chose to side with an evil entity.  Even if they couldn't have fled, it doesn't justify their actions. 

An analogy: say Russia was attacking the U.S (or whatever country you may belong to) and bent on destroying it.  Then out of the blue, an alien race descends on earth - and they're bent on wiping out humans everywhere.  However, they offer your country weapon technology that gives you a chance to fight off Russia IF you side with them.  Would you have sided with the aliens, knowing what their goal was?  

If your answer was yes, then I question your sense as a human. 

Are you slow? Do you not read ANYTHING? Even if the Geth fought the Reapers the Quarians were HELLBENT on destroying the Geth even with a Reaper invasion going on. The Quarians would have attacked the Geth while they fought the Reapers than get wiped out by the Reapers soon after once the Geth are gone. THe Geth had no choice because they feared for their lives. Also, as more Geth die the dumber they get and like some said it was like getting drunk. They couldn't think rational because their brain cells, units, were being mass destroyed forcing them in a corner trying to find a solution for their survival.

No, the Quarians were hell bent on getting their homeworld back.  Between getting their homeworld back without bloodshed, and getting back through war and sacrifice, I'm sure they would have chosen the former.  As for your last point, using that argument only then means that the Geth are untrustworthy and easily manipulated.  

And you still didn't answer my analogy.  What would you have done?  

That world was the Geths home as well, they couldn't just pack up everything and leave before the Reapers wiped them out or the Quarians got there. The Quarians agreessiveness lead to the Gath joining the Reapers. Had the Quarians focused on the Reapers, as Sheperd demanded in ME2, than the Geth would never have joined the Reapers. It was to preserve the Geth people that they joined, that is all.

No the Geth were occupiers of the world.  It wasn't theirs.  (Even Legion said so in so many words)

By the way, nice DODGE!  I win. 

[Olueq]

rex285 wrote...

Olueq wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Olueq wrote...

The heretics ARE geth, they just have different views.. again, like the quarians. And I will say this one last time because you refuse to comprehend what Im saying. The quarians were FORCED to fight because they rely on eachother. You are still blaming all of them for the actions of a few (one actually, as gerrel was the only reason they stayed). The geth are NO different. Some of them joined the reapers (oh btw, ALL of them joined the second time, not just some).

It's because you've yet to make a rational point, lol, as I've noted throughout this thread.

I'll repeat since you don't seem to read what I say to you: Sorry for your luck, but conseqences matter. The glaring deficiencies in your strategy will ultimately catch up to you.

Nobody was forced to fight; they chose to. Everybody chose to. They could have left, but they didn't. Ergo, they chose to. 

The problem with you, methinks, is that you blatantly ignore context and rational thought when it seems to help your cause. 

oh my god, what DO they teach you in the US?

Apparently something better than your country since he has been using more logic than you

lmao. Alright Im done talking to him, now on to you. Please, tell me how Im wrong.

Modifié par Olueq, 10 avril 2012 - 12:32 .

[Shaoken]

4stringwizard wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

4stringwizard wrote...

They didn't have to side with the Reapers.  They could have fought them.  Heck, they could have even fled when the Quarians came.  But no, they chose to side with an evil entity.  Even if they couldn't have fled, it doesn't justify their actions. 

An analogy: say Russia was attacking the U.S (or whatever country you may belong to) and bent on destroying it.  Then out of the blue, an alien race descends on earth - and they're bent on wiping out humans everywhere.  However, they offer your country weapon technology that gives you a chance to fight off Russia IF you side with them.  Would you have sided with the aliens, knowing what their goal was?  

If your answer was yes, then I question your sense as a human. 

Are you slow? Do you not read ANYTHING? Even if the Geth fought the Reapers the Quarians were HELLBENT on destroying the Geth even with a Reaper invasion going on. The Quarians would have attacked the Geth while they fought the Reapers than get wiped out by the Reapers soon after once the Geth are gone. THe Geth had no choice because they feared for their lives. Also, as more Geth die the dumber they get and like some said it was like getting drunk. They couldn't think rational because their brain cells, units, were being mass destroyed forcing them in a corner trying to find a solution for their survival.

No, the Quarians were hell bent on getting their homeworld back.  Between getting their homeworld back without bloodshed, and getting back through war and sacrifice, I'm sure they would have chosen the former.  As for your last point, using that argument only then means that the Geth are untrustworthy and easily manipulated.  

And you still didn't answer my analogy.  What would you have done?  

It's a stupid analogy since both races have legitimate claims to the same planets, and the Geth don't have the capablity to move the servers holding their runtimes.

And what do the Quarians do in this war? After you've disabled a dreadnought (or rather, you freed Legion and he disabled the dreadnaught as a sign of good faith) Gerrel opens fire on it despite the fact that both you and Tali (whose an Admiral herself) are still onboard. And what happens the second the Geth ships stop firing? Gerrel tries to have all of them destroyed.

[Elite Midget]

G Kevin wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

Chaoswind wrote...

A few points.

Some said Geth where open to diplomacy but never attempted to do it themselves.

That statement is wrong, the Geth tried many times to negociate with the Quarians and all attempts ended with the Quarians attacking them anyway, if you are at war and offer peace 100 times and 100 times you are refused and attacked then why bother?

The Geth tried for peace is the past and the Quarians never gave them the indication that peace was impossible, so the ball was on the Quarian side of the court.

I would never allow neither the Geth nor the Quarians to kill eachother, not if I can help it.

Also another thing some people got wrong is the timeline.

1895 is the start of the MW
1896 is the fall of Haestrom
1905 is the end of the war.
1905-1919 was the timeline in with Nazara made contact with the Geth (yes he made contact with them shortly after the morning war)
1920 the true Geth began to construct the super structure that would hold all of them (using the concept of the Reaper nation nazara spoke).

The Geth began to attack anyone that got close to the veil some decades after the War and the game points out that the only Geth around the veil where the heretics.

Another thing is that legion is sorry because the Geth ran to the reapers when they where about to lose the war, and he says they did it because they where stupid because most of them where destroyed and didn't know bether.

The organic equivalent of this would be to get Drugged/hyper drunk and wake up in a cheap hospital bed with one less liver.

So the rest of the Geth decided not to tell everyone that the heretics were the ones killing them all? What about the Geth on Tali's loyalty mission? Why did they not try to be peacefull, they flat out attacked once they became sentient.

No one would listen anyway. Sheperd was the first organic to not try and wipe out all Geth and taught Legion many things that he passed on to the rest of the Geth.

We don't know that. The Geth could have easily uploaded themselves away and escaped. They chose to fight.

Yes we do. Sheperd was the first based off te actions that everyone is 100% sure the Geth are monsters that must be purged and they still believe that even when Sheperd defends Legion. No oine was WILLING to listen until Sheperd, that is fact and the rest of the galaxy reflects that as fact by their actions and mindset.

[AngryFrozenWater]

4stringwizard wrote...

fr33stylez wrote...

MakeMineMako wrote...

Peace is THE ONLY OPTION as far as I'm concerned.

The Geth never asked for war. Nor did the Quarian people.

Saving both is they best route to take.

Of course. This should be the desired route to take.

But I think the focus of the thread is how the Geth's transgression are largely ignored, while the Quarians are villified.

Personally, they both have made terrible mistakes. The Quarians (at least their leadership) has continually been the agressor in the conflict.

The Geth ahve shown a propoensity to side with the Reapers on more than one occasaion.

^^^ THIS.  The whole point is how so many people seem to miss the Geth's mistakes while focusing solely on the Quarians'.

Nah. The geth as a collective have never chosen the side of the reapers. Instead, Nazara approached the geth to convince them to serve the reapers. Only part of the geth did. The two groups split and the heretics are the ones we fight. The geth never followed the Old Machines. The quarians, however, do not see that distinction. They keep on attacking the geth, no matter what side they are on.

Even Tali knows that and she knows that Legion (the personification of the non-heretic geth) wants peace. Given that and the past with her father it didn't surprise me that she had to revert to an emergency induction port. Ghehe. Anyway...

It is not very smart, because the quarians already have the reapers and heretics as enemies as well. Even delaying reclaiming their homeworld one way or another until the reapers would have been defeated could have helped. But no. The quarians rather face extinction than fight reapers.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 10 avril 2012 - 12:36 .

[rex285]

G Kevin wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

Chaoswind wrote...

A few points.

Some said Geth where open to diplomacy but never attempted to do it themselves.

That statement is wrong, the Geth tried many times to negociate with the Quarians and all attempts ended with the Quarians attacking them anyway, if you are at war and offer peace 100 times and 100 times you are refused and attacked then why bother?

The Geth tried for peace is the past and the Quarians never gave them the indication that peace was impossible, so the ball was on the Quarian side of the court.

I would never allow neither the Geth nor the Quarians to kill eachother, not if I can help it.

Also another thing some people got wrong is the timeline.

1895 is the start of the MW
1896 is the fall of Haestrom
1905 is the end of the war.
1905-1919 was the timeline in with Nazara made contact with the Geth (yes he made contact with them shortly after the morning war)
1920 the true Geth began to construct the super structure that would hold all of them (using the concept of the Reaper nation nazara spoke).

The Geth began to attack anyone that got close to the veil some decades after the War and the game points out that the only Geth around the veil where the heretics.

Another thing is that legion is sorry because the Geth ran to the reapers when they where about to lose the war, and he says they did it because they where stupid because most of them where destroyed and didn't know bether.

The organic equivalent of this would be to get Drugged/hyper drunk and wake up in a cheap hospital bed with one less liver.

So the rest of the Geth decided not to tell everyone that the heretics were the ones killing them all? What about the Geth on Tali's loyalty mission? Why did they not try to be peacefull, they flat out attacked once they became sentient.

No one would listen anyway. Sheperd was the first organic to not try and wipe out all Geth and taught Legion many things that he passed on to the rest of the Geth.

We don't know that. The Geth could have easily uploaded themselves away and escaped. They chose to fight.

The Geth need something to load themselves up to otherwise their data is lost and they die. However if the Quarians didn't destroy the Geth Dyson Sphere, the hub that was being constructed to house all Geth programs, then they could but since it is gone they will die.

[CDHarrisUSF]

Some people in here (like Shallyah) have been demonstrating disturbing rationalizations for killing the Geth. Humans are organic machines. We are computers. Our thought is nothing but the combined reactions of nearly 100 billion cells in our brains interacting with each other according to the laws of physics. If you had the computing power and understanding to simulate the reactions of all of those molecules in software, you could create a synthetic brain which is functionally identical to a human brain. What this tells us is that being organic in and of itself is not the important factor. What then becomes important is the intelligence, the quality of being sentient, etc.

Eugenics can be a dangerous path to go down. Assuming that you have the right to deny any other sentient being's right to exist (with the exception of self-defense) based on some arbitrary rule of your choosing (being synthetic), it follows that some "higher" being than you (Star Child) might decide that you do not have a right to exist based on an arbitary reason of its choosing (to "protect" organic life). We just all need to agree to avoid going down that road. We don't want to end up with Space Hitler. Judge the actions, not the people.

Modifié par CDHarrisUSF, 10 avril 2012 - 12:34 .

[wantedman dan]

Olueq wrote...

lmao. Alright Im done talking to him, now on to you. Please, tell me how Im wrong.

That's cute. Dodge the argument because you didn't make a valid point.

[Elite Midget]

4stringwizard wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

4stringwizard wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

4stringwizard wrote...

They didn't have to side with the Reapers.  They could have fought them.  Heck, they could have even fled when the Quarians came.  But no, they chose to side with an evil entity.  Even if they couldn't have fled, it doesn't justify their actions. 

An analogy: say Russia was attacking the U.S (or whatever country you may belong to) and bent on destroying it.  Then out of the blue, an alien race descends on earth - and they're bent on wiping out humans everywhere.  However, they offer your country weapon technology that gives you a chance to fight off Russia IF you side with them.  Would you have sided with the aliens, knowing what their goal was?  

If your answer was yes, then I question your sense as a human. 

Are you slow? Do you not read ANYTHING? Even if the Geth fought the Reapers the Quarians were HELLBENT on destroying the Geth even with a Reaper invasion going on. The Quarians would have attacked the Geth while they fought the Reapers than get wiped out by the Reapers soon after once the Geth are gone. THe Geth had no choice because they feared for their lives. Also, as more Geth die the dumber they get and like some said it was like getting drunk. They couldn't think rational because their brain cells, units, were being mass destroyed forcing them in a corner trying to find a solution for their survival.

No, the Quarians were hell bent on getting their homeworld back.  Between getting their homeworld back without bloodshed, and getting back through war and sacrifice, I'm sure they would have chosen the former.  As for your last point, using that argument only then means that the Geth are untrustworthy and easily manipulated.  

And you still didn't answer my analogy.  What would you have done?  

That world was the Geths home as well, they couldn't just pack up everything and leave before the Reapers wiped them out or the Quarians got there. The Quarians agreessiveness lead to the Gath joining the Reapers. Had the Quarians focused on the Reapers, as Sheperd demanded in ME2, than the Geth would never have joined the Reapers. It was to preserve the Geth people that they joined, that is all.

No the Geth were occupiers of the world.  It wasn't theirs.  (Even Legion said so in so many words)

By the way, nice DODGE!  I win. 

The Geth were BORN on that world and you failed to address my point that the Geth had no time or way to pack up and leave with Reapers and Quarians eyeing them on all sides. The Quarians wanted Genocide, the REapers offered aid, the Geth didn't want to be wiped out so they joined wit h the Reapers - the logical choice.

[Pathero]

Ponei wrote...

Pathero wrote...

Look we all know what is going to happen if we get peace with the Quarians and the Geth:

SCENE: A Prime is playing with some toy dinosaurs; A Tyrannosaurus Geth and a Taliceratops.
Prime: "I curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal."

 geth are cute when they're not hostile

Ah, but who betrayed who? 

[4stringwizard]

rex285 wrote...

4stringwizard wrote...


They didn't have to side with the Reapers.  They could have fought them.  Heck, they could have even fled when the Quarians came.  But no, they chose to side with an evil entity.  Even if they couldn't have fled, it doesn't justify their actions. 

An analogy: say Russia was attacking the U.S (or whatever country you may belong to) and bent on destroying it.  Then out of the blue, an alien race descends on earth - and they're bent on wiping out humans everywhere.  However, they offer your country weapon technology that gives you a chance to fight off Russia IF you side with them.  Would you have sided with the aliens, knowing what their goal was?  

If your answer was yes, then I question your sense as a human. 

If the Russians continued to attack me, such as the Quarians did when the reapers invaded, then Yes i would because once Russia is dealt with I can unite with the rest of the world and use my new "toys" to fight off the aliens.

Your analogy was absolutely terrible...

So you'd wipe out a race.  And you assume you'll be able to unite the world AND fight them off.  And you're basically changing the whole analogy with your own ideas to avoid answering the question.  

Your logic skills are absolutely terrible.  

Modifié par 4stringwizard, 10 avril 2012 - 12:35 .

[Aramina]

Elite Midget wrote...

Aramina wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

Aramina wrote...


Geth that were being experimented on to find their weaknesses so more Geth could be wiped out. As far as I know, most people think defending yourself from experimentation and death isn't a crime. And Legion still helps you take the ship back if you bring him.

 We experiment on ourselves to find out weaknesses and strength. The Geth were not being tortured when they were experimented on. They woke up and started killing every non-synthetic being in their vicinity.

Why didn't Legion just tell the Geth to stop attacking? Why did the Geth attack Legion?

But the big difference in your scenario is that we are the ones choosing to do the experiments on our own people, and for our betterment instead of to find tactical weaknesses. And that is mostly done with their consent. If some alien race abducted humans and experimented on them without their consent, you can bet those humans would be pissed and do anything to get away.

Also as to why the Geth attaked Legion. The geth programs are still individuals and come up with their own ideas. Just look at Legion's quandry in his own loyalty mission...the programs inhabiting the same platform couldn't agree on what to do. The Geth on the quarian ship attack your crew regardless of who you bring. The most liekly explanation is they see you as a threat to their survival, just as they saw the Quarians on the ship that were experimenting on them. And if Legion helps you, he is also a threat to their survival. Just because he's "one of them" doesn't mean they have the same ideas.

Weak arguement. We don't capture people and experiement on them against their will or chop off body parts on a still living sentient being just to see how they tick.

I made the same point as you. I think I ended up with a formatting error when I tried cutting quotes out. Apologies if the point I was trying to make got confused. I fixed it now...probably a bit late though.

Modifié par Aramina, 10 avril 2012 - 12:42 .

[4stringwizard]

Elite Midget wrote...

The Geth were BORN on that world and you failed to address my point that the Geth had no time or way to pack up and leave with Reapers and Quarians eyeing them on all sides. The Quarians wanted Genocide, the REapers offered aid, the Geth didn't want to be wiped out so they joined wit h the Reapers - the logical choice.

The logical choice that ends with the destruction of organic life.  Those Geth are so dependable!  

And it's clear you refuse to answer the question.  Wonder why...

Modifié par 4stringwizard, 10 avril 2012 - 12:37 .

[G Kevin]

Aramina wrote...

But the big difference in your scenario is that we are the ones choosing to do the experiments on our own people, and for our betterment instead of to find tactical weaknesses. And that is mostly done with their consent. If some alien race abducted humans and experimented on them without their consent, you can bet those humans would be pissed and do anything to get away.

Also as to why the Geth attaked Legion. The geth programs are still individuals and come up with their own ideas. Just look at Legion's quandry in his own loyalty mission...the programs inhabiting the same platform couldn't agree on what to do. The Geth on the quarian ship attack your crew regardless of who you bring. The most likely explanation is they see you as a threat to their survival, just as they saw the Quarians on the ship that were experimenting on them. And if Legion helps you, he is also a threat to their survival. Just because he's "one of them" doesn't mean they have the same ideas.

As far as we know, those Geth were not being hurt. Just examined.

So individual Geth programs do not try to reason, rather try to murder anyone who approaches them? Hell Legion could have done something, tried to form a consensus. The fact that he did not try anything surprises me.

[Olueq]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

4stringwizard wrote...

fr33stylez wrote...

MakeMineMako wrote...

Peace is THE ONLY OPTION as far as I'm concerned.

The Geth never asked for war. Nor did the Quarian people.

Saving both is they best route to take.

Of course. This should be the desired route to take.

But I think the focus of the thread is how the Geth's transgression are largely ignored, while the Quarians are villified.

Personally, they both have made terrible mistakes. The Quarians (at least their leadership) has continually been the agressor in the conflict.

The Geth ahve shown a propoensity to side with the Reapers on more than one occasaion.

^^^ THIS.  The whole point is how so many people seem to miss the Geth's mistakes while focusing solely on the Quarians'.

Nah. The geth as a collective have never chosen the side of the reapers. Instead, Nazara approached the geth to convince them to serve the reapers. Only part of the geth did. The two groups split and the heretics are the ones we fight. The quarians, however, do not see that distinction. They keep on attacking the geth, no matter what side they are on.

Even Tali knows that and she knows that Legion (the personification of the non-heretic geth) wants peace. Given that and the past with her father it didn't surprise me that she had to revert to an emergency induction port. Ghehe. Anyway...

It is not very smart, because the quarians already have the reapers and heretics as enemies as well. Even delaying reclaiming their homeworlds one way or another until the reapers would have been defeated could have helped. But no. The quarians rather face extinction than fight reapers.

The same rule applies to the quarians in yet you say they are all at fault? Okay...... Also, NO ONE knows about the true geth except Tali and even then thats only going by the word of ONE geth who could easily be lying. The fact that the heretics are the only geth any one has contact with ever makes it hard for people to trust them.

[Elite Midget]

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

Some people in here (like Shallyah) have been demonstrating disturbing rationalizations for killing the Geth. Humans are organic machines. We are computers. Our thought is nothing but the combined reactions of nearly 100 billion cells in our brains interacting with each other according to the laws of physics. If you had the computing power and understanding to simulate the reactions of all of those molecules in software, you could create a synthetic brain which is functionally identical to a human brain. What this tells us is that being organic in and of itself is not the important factor. What then becomes important is the intelligence, the quality of being sentient, etc.

Eugenics can be a dangerous path to go down. Assuming that you have the right to deny any other sentient being's right to exist (with the exception of self-defense) based on some arbitrary rule of your choosing (being synthetic), it follows that some "higher" being than you (Star Child) might decide that you do not have a right to exist based on an arbitary reason of its choosing (to "protect" organic life). We just all need to agree to avoid going down that road. We don't want to end up with Space Hitler. Judge the actions, not the people.

Great work, didn't think of that. Was trying to get to the point but never got there.

[Shaoken]

4stringwizard wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

4stringwizard wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

4stringwizard wrote...

They didn't have to side with the Reapers.  They could have fought them.  Heck, they could have even fled when the Quarians came.  But no, they chose to side with an evil entity.  Even if they couldn't have fled, it doesn't justify their actions. 

An analogy: say Russia was attacking the U.S (or whatever country you may belong to) and bent on destroying it.  Then out of the blue, an alien race descends on earth - and they're bent on wiping out humans everywhere.  However, they offer your country weapon technology that gives you a chance to fight off Russia IF you side with them.  Would you have sided with the aliens, knowing what their goal was?  

If your answer was yes, then I question your sense as a human. 

Are you slow? Do you not read ANYTHING? Even if the Geth fought the Reapers the Quarians were HELLBENT on destroying the Geth even with a Reaper invasion going on. The Quarians would have attacked the Geth while they fought the Reapers than get wiped out by the Reapers soon after once the Geth are gone. THe Geth had no choice because they feared for their lives. Also, as more Geth die the dumber they get and like some said it was like getting drunk. They couldn't think rational because their brain cells, units, were being mass destroyed forcing them in a corner trying to find a solution for their survival.

No, the Quarians were hell bent on getting their homeworld back.  Between getting their homeworld back without bloodshed, and getting back through war and sacrifice, I'm sure they would have chosen the former.  As for your last point, using that argument only then means that the Geth are untrustworthy and easily manipulated.  

And you still didn't answer my analogy.  What would you have done?  

That world was the Geths home as well, they couldn't just pack up everything and leave before the Reapers wiped them out or the Quarians got there. The Quarians agreessiveness lead to the Gath joining the Reapers. Had the Quarians focused on the Reapers, as Sheperd demanded in ME2, than the Geth would never have joined the Reapers. It was to preserve the Geth people that they joined, that is all.

No the Geth were occupiers of the world.  It wasn't theirs.  (Even Legion said so in so many words)

By the way, nice DODGE!  I win. 

Pro-tip; people who declare victory in debates are acting like jerks and in fact aren't winners.

The Geth weren't occupiers of the world; they don't use them because they're more comfortable in space. But legally, the world is theirs; the Quarians created them on that world, it's their home too. They just keep it safe and maintained because they want the creators back one day.

[wantedman dan]

Sparatus wrote...

Really, the geth and quarians should just **** already.

THIS lol

[Elite Midget]

Olueq wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

4stringwizard wrote...

fr33stylez wrote...

MakeMineMako wrote...

Peace is THE ONLY OPTION as far as I'm concerned.

The Geth never asked for war. Nor did the Quarian people.

Saving both is they best route to take.

Of course. This should be the desired route to take.

But I think the focus of the thread is how the Geth's transgression are largely ignored, while the Quarians are villified.

Personally, they both have made terrible mistakes. The Quarians (at least their leadership) has continually been the agressor in the conflict.

The Geth ahve shown a propoensity to side with the Reapers on more than one occasaion.

^^^ THIS.  The whole point is how so many people seem to miss the Geth's mistakes while focusing solely on the Quarians'.

Nah. The geth as a collective have never chosen the side of the reapers. Instead, Nazara approached the geth to convince them to serve the reapers. Only part of the geth did. The two groups split and the heretics are the ones we fight. The quarians, however, do not see that distinction. They keep on attacking the geth, no matter what side they are on.

Even Tali knows that and she knows that Legion (the personification of the non-heretic geth) wants peace. Given that and the past with her father it didn't surprise me that she had to revert to an emergency induction port. Ghehe. Anyway...

It is not very smart, because the quarians already have the reapers and heretics as enemies as well. Even delaying reclaiming their homeworlds one way or another until the reapers would have been defeated could have helped. But no. The quarians rather face extinction than fight reapers.

The same rule applies to the quarians in yet you say they are all at fault? Okay...... Also, NO ONE knows about the true geth except Tali and even then thats only going by the word of ONE geth who could easily be lying. The fact that the heretics are the only geth any one has contact with ever makes it hard for people to trust them.

When push came to shove no Quarian tried to seriously stop the attack even at Sheperds urging. Many wanyed genocide, it's ironic that they would be the ones getting it if they choose to try and pursue that path.

[4stringwizard]

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They didn't have to side with the Reapers.  They could have fought them.  Heck, they could have even fled when the Quarians came.  But no, they chose to side with an evil entity.  Even if they couldn't have fled, it doesn't justify their actions. 

An analogy: say Russia was attacking the U.S (or whatever country you may belong to) and bent on destroying it.  Then out of the blue, an alien race descends on earth - and they're bent on wiping out humans everywhere.  However, they offer your country weapon technology that gives you a chance to fight off Russia IF you side with them.  Would you have sided with the aliens, knowing what their goal was?  

If your answer was yes, then I question your sense as a human. 

Are you slow? Do you not read ANYTHING? Even if the Geth fought the Reapers the Quarians were HELLBENT on destroying the Geth even with a Reaper invasion going on. The Quarians would have attacked the Geth while they fought the Reapers than get wiped out by the Reapers soon after once the Geth are gone. THe Geth had no choice because they feared for their lives. Also, as more Geth die the dumber they get and like some said it was like getting drunk. They couldn't think rational because their brain cells, units, were being mass destroyed forcing them in a corner trying to find a solution for their survival.

No, the Quarians were hell bent on getting their homeworld back.  Between getting their homeworld back without bloodshed, and getting back through war and sacrifice, I'm sure they would have chosen the former.  As for your last point, using that argument only then means that the Geth are untrustworthy and easily manipulated.  

And you still didn't answer my analogy.  What would you have done?  

That world was the Geths home as well, they couldn't just pack up everything and leave before the Reapers wiped them out or the Quarians got there. The Quarians agreessiveness lead to the Gath joining the Reapers. Had the Quarians focused on the Reapers, as Sheperd demanded in ME2, than the Geth would never have joined the Reapers. It was to preserve the Geth people that they joined, that is all.

No the Geth were occupiers of the world.  It wasn't theirs.  (Even Legion said so in so many words)

By the way, nice DODGE!  I win. 

Pro-tip; people who declare victory in debates are acting like jerks and in fact aren't winners.

The Geth weren't occupiers of the world; they don't use them because they're more comfortable in space. But legally, the world is theirs; the Quarians created them on that world, it's their home too. They just keep it safe and maintained because they want the creators back one day.

I wasn't serious.  More or less, I'm wondering why he's refusing to answer the question.  

[wantedman dan]

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The Geth were BORN on that world and you failed to address my point that the Geth had no time or way to pack up and leave with Reapers and Quarians eyeing them on all sides. The Quarians wanted Genocide, the REapers offered aid, the Geth didn't want to be wiped out so they joined wit h the Reapers - the logical choice.

The logical choice that ends with the destruction of organic life.  Those Geth are so dependable!  

And it's clear you refuse to answer the question.  Wonder why...

Following the logic of the StarChild I see...

Please, tell us all more of your intellectual prowess.

[Olueq]

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lmao. Alright Im done talking to him, now on to you. Please, tell me how Im wrong.

That's cute. Dodge the argument because you didn't make a valid point.

Your trolling needs work. If you didnt notice though, in case, I am having the same argument with another peron. I simply gave up on you due to trolling....... or lack of intelligence (ill let you pick).