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[Aramina]

Olueq wrote...

Aramina wrote...

Olueq wrote...

Aramina wrote...

That's assuming the Quarians wanted peace. Which at this point they've made pretty clear they don't. The ones advocating it are in the minority, and at this point Shepard doesn't have enough pull with the fleet to demand they listen. In the end, the geth were forced into a corner, and fighting was the only way out.

Thats not true at all. The majority dont want to fight. The entire civilian fleet was forced to.

I was talking about Tali's loyalty mission in ME2. At that point, if you urge them to fight the geth, one of the admirals (I believe it is Koris) will say "You urged our people to war. For all our sakes, I hope they do not listen. But I fear I am in the minority." It was this statement I was using to base my "majority" claims on.

I doubt this would still even be the case after the geth side with the reapers. When you are on the dreadnaught it is clearly Gerrel that is forcing them.

I'm not disputing that, my argument was for another topic entirely; if Legion should have tried to make peace with the Quarians in ME2 if you bring him along on Tali's loyalty mission. In ME3 it does seem like Gerrel is the driving force behind the war, but even so, it is made pretty obvious that most of the Quarians still do not want peace. Look at what happens if you do make peace between the two. The Geth were not firing on the fleet, and one of the Primes is walking up to Shep's party with no weapons drawn. Very first thing Tali does? Point her gun at it. And she was the only Quarian that had ever worked closely with a Geth. Just imagine the rest of them who had never seen geth like Legion.

EDIT: Probably should have said, "do not trust the Geth" rather than "do not want peace," but in the end it amounts to the same thing. Shoot first, ask questions later.

Modifié par Aramina, 10 avril 2012 - 01:12 .

[G Kevin]

Aramina wrote...

Olueq wrote...

Aramina wrote...

Olueq wrote...

Aramina wrote...

That's assuming the Quarians wanted peace. Which at this point they've made pretty clear they don't. The ones advocating it are in the minority, and at this point Shepard doesn't have enough pull with the fleet to demand they listen. In the end, the geth were forced into a corner, and fighting was the only way out.

Thats not true at all. The majority dont want to fight. The entire civilian fleet was forced to.

I was talking about Tali's loyalty mission in ME2. At that point, if you urge them to fight the geth, one of the admirals (I believe it is Koris) will say "You urged our people to war. For all our sakes, I hope they do not listen. But I fear I am in the minority." It was this statement I was using to base my "majority" claims on.

I doubt this would still even be the case after the geth side with the reapers. When you are on the dreadnaught it is clearly Gerrel that is forcing them.

I'm not disputing that, my argument was for another topic entirely; if Legion should have tried to make peace with the Quarians in ME2 if you bring him along on Tali's loyalty mission. In ME3 it does seem like Gerrel is the driving force behind the war, but even so, it is made pretty obvious that most of the Quarians still do not want peace. Look at what happens if you do make peace between the two. The Geth were not firing on the fleet, and one of the Primes is walking up to Shep's party with no weapons drawn. Very first thing Tali does? Point her gun at it. And she was the only Quarian that had ever worked closely with a Geth. Just imagine the rest of them who had never seen geth like Legion.

To be fair, if a huge prime walked up to you with no facial expression, it would be threatining. A prime does not need weapons to look threatening.

[Olueq]

Aramina wrote...

Olueq wrote...

Aramina wrote...

Olueq wrote...

Aramina wrote...

That's assuming the Quarians wanted peace. Which at this point they've made pretty clear they don't. The ones advocating it are in the minority, and at this point Shepard doesn't have enough pull with the fleet to demand they listen. In the end, the geth were forced into a corner, and fighting was the only way out.

Thats not true at all. The majority dont want to fight. The entire civilian fleet was forced to.

I was talking about Tali's loyalty mission in ME2. At that point, if you urge them to fight the geth, one of the admirals (I believe it is Koris) will say "You urged our people to war. For all our sakes, I hope they do not listen. But I fear I am in the minority." It was this statement I was using to base my "majority" claims on.

I doubt this would still even be the case after the geth side with the reapers. When you are on the dreadnaught it is clearly Gerrel that is forcing them.

I'm not disputing that, my argument was for another topic entirely; if Legion should have tried to make peace with the Quarians in ME2 if you bring him along on Tali's loyalty mission. In ME3 it does seem like Gerrel is the driving force behind the war, but even so, it is made pretty obvious that most of the Quarians still do not want peace. Look at what happens if you do make peace between the two. The Geth were not firing on the fleet, and one of the Primes is walking up to Shep's party with no weapons drawn. Very first thing Tali does? Point her gun at it. And she was the only Quarian that had ever worked closely with a Geth. Just imagine the rest of them who had never seen geth like Legion.

I think you are grasping at straws here. DId she shoot? no. It was a precaution. The geth were independent so there was no way to know if they were going to be friendly.

[Catroi]

Quarians are genocidal maniacs there is no doubt about this, you cannot justify by ANY reason the destruction of an entire sentient specie

Geth only sided with the reapers because they lost a lot of their intelligence BECAUSE of the Quarian attack.

If Tali did not kill herself I would gladly kill each and every Quarian who went on a genocidal mission on Ranoch, but I had to make peace because miss tech wanted to do some base jumping

[Aramina]

G Kevin wrote...

Aramina wrote...

Olueq wrote...

Aramina wrote...

Olueq wrote...

Aramina wrote...

That's assuming the Quarians wanted peace. Which at this point they've made pretty clear they don't. The ones advocating it are in the minority, and at this point Shepard doesn't have enough pull with the fleet to demand they listen. In the end, the geth were forced into a corner, and fighting was the only way out.

Thats not true at all. The majority dont want to fight. The entire civilian fleet was forced to.

I was talking about Tali's loyalty mission in ME2. At that point, if you urge them to fight the geth, one of the admirals (I believe it is Koris) will say "You urged our people to war. For all our sakes, I hope they do not listen. But I fear I am in the minority." It was this statement I was using to base my "majority" claims on.

I doubt this would still even be the case after the geth side with the reapers. When you are on the dreadnaught it is clearly Gerrel that is forcing them.

I'm not disputing that, my argument was for another topic entirely; if Legion should have tried to make peace with the Quarians in ME2 if you bring him along on Tali's loyalty mission. In ME3 it does seem like Gerrel is the driving force behind the war, but even so, it is made pretty obvious that most of the Quarians still do not want peace. Look at what happens if you do make peace between the two. The Geth were not firing on the fleet, and one of the Primes is walking up to Shep's party with no weapons drawn. Very first thing Tali does? Point her gun at it. And she was the only Quarian that had ever worked closely with a Geth. Just imagine the rest of them who had never seen geth like Legion.

To be fair, if a huge prime walked up to you with no facial expression, it would be threatining. A prime does not need weapons to look threatening.

Aww, come on, those things are adorable. Those little red lights on its...umm...face. And the cute lil' blue drone that follows it around! You're telling me you wouldn't want to run up to one and give it a hug? *sadface*

[AngryFrozenWater]

Olueq wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Olueq wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Olueq wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Nah. The geth as a collective have never chosen the side of the reapers. Instead, Nazara approached the geth to convince them to serve the reapers. Only part of the geth did. The two groups split and the heretics are the ones we fight. The quarians, however, do not see that distinction. They keep on attacking the geth, no matter what side they are on.

Even Tali knows that and she knows that Legion (the personification of the non-heretic geth) wants peace. Given that and the past with her father it didn't surprise me that she had to revert to an emergency induction port. Ghehe. Anyway...

It is not very smart, because the quarians already have the reapers and heretics as enemies as well. Even delaying reclaiming their homeworlds one way or another until the reapers would have been defeated could have helped. But no. The quarians rather face extinction than fight reapers.

The same rule applies to the quarians in yet you say they are all at fault? Okay...... Also, NO ONE knows about the true geth except Tali and even then thats only going by the word of ONE geth who could easily be lying. The fact that the heretics are the only geth any one has contact with ever makes it hard for people to trust them.

The geth didn't start all this, remember? Read the story I told you on page 1. Both the quarians and geth have told us that very same story. The geth (not to be confused with the heretics) had to defend themselves more than once against the aggression of the quarians. Besides, there is no such thing as one geth up until the data in ME3 has been uploaded. Legion, who passed the information in ME2, represents all non-heretic geth. As the daughter of an admiral she must have known that this information was vital and it should at least have been shared with the other quarians. Again, that and her father's past are enough reasons for her to revert to the emergency induction port solution.

The quarian MILITARY started this. The vast majority in other words, didnt want to, they were forced. you are saying they all are to blame for ne reason. That is the same as saying all the geth are to blame for the heretics.

Yes. It is horrible that the quarian admirals started this war. And it is horrible that the quarians as a people followed them blindly. "Befehl ist befehl."

they were forced... but okay.

No. As you may know (you said you entered the geth's consensus) some quarians initially helped the geth. These quarians were killed by their own people. That's how dangerous the quarians as a people are.

[Esker02]

CavScout wrote...

You can disagree but you are wrong. The Geth killed millioins of Quarians and chased the rest off their homeworld. The Geth could have fought to leave the planet or even simply uploaded their "minds" to safer areas. They didn't have to exterminate the Quarians from the face of the planet.

PS: What do you mean you can't blame the many for the actions of the few? Did you say this?

Exactly. The geth have a profound propensity to commit atrocities in the name of "survival." Look at how Legion reacts to Shepard's decision to side with the quarians. He immediately tries to kill Shepard. Compare that to Tali's reaction if he goes the other way. The geth are violent, amoral things. It was necessary for survival to kill all quarians on Rannoch? It was necessary for survival to go to the reapers, agents of galactic cleansing, in order to have the power to destroy the quarian fleet? Was it necessary to kill anybody that tried to communicate with them for all the years they held Rannoch?

There were other options. But the geth don't operate like that. They don't have a fight or flight instinct - it simply triggers fight. They kill indiscriminately, at any cost, until the danger has passed. If they're machines, then we can excuse this shortcoming. But then, all we'd be talking about is machines, and this conversation would serve no purpose. If they are sentient, blameworthy life, then this shortcoming, this choice, is fault enough to warrant not viewing them as some sort of helpless victim.

Modifié par Esker02, 10 avril 2012 - 01:25 .

[G Kevin]

Aramina wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

Aramina wrote...

Olueq wrote...

Aramina wrote...

Olueq wrote...

Aramina wrote...

That's assuming the Quarians wanted peace. Which at this point they've made pretty clear they don't. The ones advocating it are in the minority, and at this point Shepard doesn't have enough pull with the fleet to demand they listen. In the end, the geth were forced into a corner, and fighting was the only way out.

Thats not true at all. The majority dont want to fight. The entire civilian fleet was forced to.

I was talking about Tali's loyalty mission in ME2. At that point, if you urge them to fight the geth, one of the admirals (I believe it is Koris) will say "You urged our people to war. For all our sakes, I hope they do not listen. But I fear I am in the minority." It was this statement I was using to base my "majority" claims on.

I doubt this would still even be the case after the geth side with the reapers. When you are on the dreadnaught it is clearly Gerrel that is forcing them.

I'm not disputing that, my argument was for another topic entirely; if Legion should have tried to make peace with the Quarians in ME2 if you bring him along on Tali's loyalty mission. In ME3 it does seem like Gerrel is the driving force behind the war, but even so, it is made pretty obvious that most of the Quarians still do not want peace. Look at what happens if you do make peace between the two. The Geth were not firing on the fleet, and one of the Primes is walking up to Shep's party with no weapons drawn. Very first thing Tali does? Point her gun at it. And she was the only Quarian that had ever worked closely with a Geth. Just imagine the rest of them who had never seen geth like Legion.

To be fair, if a huge prime walked up to you with no facial expression, it would be threatining. A prime does not need weapons to look threatening.

Aww, come on, those things are adorable. Those little red lights on its...umm...face. And the cute lil' blue drone that follows it around! You're telling me you wouldn't want to run up to one and give it a hug? *sadface*

They tried to mutilate me before... Plus they hit hard! 

I can understand why Tali would be worried...

Modifié par G Kevin, 10 avril 2012 - 01:17 .

[flub3]

I would of sided with the Geth.

1. If the Turians attacked Earth and were about to wipe out all humans, would you have accepted Reaper help or would you have let your people died?

2. What happened 300 years ago is not relevant. Those Quarians are dead. However, the Geth have been living on the planet for 300 years ignoring the outside world and trying to live as best they can. The Quarins couldn't accept this and had to keep acting as the aggressors. People keep saying that genociding the Quarians is not worth it, so you should genocide the Geth instead. Makes no sense. Why is a planet worth an extinction of an entire species? The Geth are just trying to survive. The Quarians are trying to claim territory.

[Aramina]

Olueq wrote...

I think you are grasping at straws here. DId she shoot? no. It was a precaution. The geth were independent so there was no way to know if they were going to be friendly.

It would be great if we had a wealth of information to base our discussion on, but all we have are the tidbits Bio has given us to tell the larger story, so if you say I'm "grasping at straws," then really, we all are. All we get are the codex entries, a few lines of dialogue, some memories the geth share with us. We have no idea what the full story is based off of this, so all we can do is use the little pieces to try and come up with the big picture.

Back to the topic at hand. Precaution or no, pointing your gun at someone is not the best way to begin any sort of friendly dialogue. If the Prime had proven to be a threat, they could have drawn their guns quick enough. Or she could have hacked it, buying them time enough to neutralize it. At this point in the game, a single Prime is no threat at all to Shep and his/her crew.

Modifié par Aramina, 10 avril 2012 - 01:19 .

[tybbiesniffer]

Olueq wrote...

tybbiesniffer wrote...

<shrug> I've never liked the quarians (I was ambivalent towards them in ME1). Kal'Reegar was the only one I ever had any respect for at all. They blatantly ignore any rules (creating the geth, arming their liveships) then cry and whine when things don't work out. They like to play victim too much for my taste. I convinced the quarians to back down but if they hadn't, it would have been their choice for self-destruction. I wouldn't kill the quarians en masse but I would watch the geth do it.

Those were people that died 300 years ago. See, this is the kind of thing that makes me hate people.

Those liveships weren't armed hundreds of years ago.  The quarians didn't damn near kill my Shepard hundreds of years ago (while she was attempting to save them).  It wasn't hundreds of years ago that the quarians chose to take their children into a war.  I don't like quarians (I don't hate them; I just don't like or pity them.).  If they hadn't backed down, their own poor decisions would have gotten them killed, not mine.

And, seriously, if you can hate someone over a video game, that's a problem with you and noone else.

[Aramina]

G Kevin wrote...

They tried to mutilate me before... Plus they hit hard! 

I can understand why Tali would be worried...

I love them when I'm running speed matches in multiplayer mode. Past the objective in wave 10 there's no reason to keep going if you just want money. Easiest way to finish it? Giving them a big hug They're so nice and accommodating. "Oh, you want to die quick? Sure, we'll help you!"

[G Kevin]

Aramina wrote...

Olueq wrote...

I think you are grasping at straws here. DId she shoot? no. It was a precaution. The geth were independent so there was no way to know if they were going to be friendly.

It would be great if we had a wealth of information to base our discussion on, but all we have are the tidbits Bio has given us to tell the larger story, so if you say I'm "grasping at straws," then really, we all are. All we get are the codex entries, a few lines of dialogue, some memories the geth share with us. We have no idea what the full story is based off of this, so all we can do is use the little pieces to try and come up with the big picture.

Back to the topic at hand. Precaution or no, pointing your gun at someone is not the best way to begin any sort of friendly dialogue. If the Prime had proven to be a threat, they could have drawn their guns quick enough. Or she could have hacked it, buying them time enough to neutralize it. At this point in the game, a single Prime is no threat at all to Shep and his/her crew.

Well that's why we should not be having this discussion. We don't really have any sufficient evidence to do anything. It's an issue with no clear victor.

I think Tali reacted with the surprise of the Geth Prime jogging to them. She did lower her gun after the she saw the Geth intended no harm and that is was a genuine offer. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

So let's take the Peace option off the table. You have to make a choice. Do you choose to let the Quarians die, or do you choose to let the Geth die?

Perhaps we don't like the Quarians because they represent the way humans behave toward one another. In the middle of a global crisis is the perfect time for one group to attack another. The Quarians had a brief window of technological advantage to get their homeworld back so they took it. Tali's father's research that Xen got hold of paid off for them here, so they attacked and they were winning until the Geth got aid from the Reapers.

So Shepard is sent in to secure the Quarian fleet for the Alliance. This meant aid the Quarians in defeating the Geth. Then you find they Geth have been hacked yet again. Then you find your friend Legion has run times of the "old machines" in it. Then you find your friend who said "Geth want to build their own future" now want to use the code from the "old machines" to give themselves true AI.

Then you still don't know if the new group of individual AI Geth will be hostile to the Quarians or not, or if you'll see both groups annihilate each other. That was a possibility, too, although that was not presented in the game -- you'd only know that if you read the spoiler forums or had read a walk through.

So you have to make a choice. Either one or the other. No peace option available. Who do you pick? Man or Machine? That was basically he choice.

War is an ugly thing.

You know it is a peculiar thing that people here can suddenly get a case of morals about the Geth after Shepard already killed 330,000 Batarians pretty much for less than a six month delay in an attack on earth by destroying a mass relay, yet seem fine with Shepard getting off with less than a slap on the wrist because the "glove didn't fit." Isn't that genocide as well? I know. "But they're Batarians who take slaves!"

[G Kevin]

Aramina wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

They tried to mutilate me before... Plus they hit hard! 

I can understand why Tali would be worried...

I love them when I'm running speed matches in multiplayer mode. Past the objective in wave 10 there's no reason to keep going if you just want money. Easiest way to finish it? Giving them a big hug They're so nice and accommodating. "Oh, you want to die quick? Sure, we'll help you!"

Lol, true story. My friends don't appreciate the "hugs" but I do.

Only in multiplayer though 

[G Kevin]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

So let's take the Peace option off the table. You have to make a choice. Do you choose to let the Quarians die, or do you choose to let the Geth die?

Perhaps we don't like the Quarians because they represent the way humans behave toward one another. In the middle of a global crisis is the perfect time for one group to attack another. The Quarians had a brief window of technological advantage to get their homeworld back so they took it. Tali's father's research that Xen got hold of paid off for them here, so they attacked and they were winning until the Geth got aid from the Reapers.

So Shepard is sent in to secure the Quarian fleet for the Alliance. This meant aid the Quarians in defeating the Geth. Then you find they Geth have been hacked yet again. Then you find your friend Legion has run times of the "old machines" in it. Then you find your friend who said "Geth want to build their own future" now want to use the code from the "old machines" to give themselves true AI.

Then you still don't know if the new group of individual AI Geth will be hostile to the Quarians or not, or if you'll see both groups annihilate each other. That was a possibility, too, although that was not presented in the game -- you'd only know that if you read the spoiler forums or had read a walk through.

So you have to make a choice. Either one or the other. No peace option available. Who do you pick? Man or Machine? That was basically he choice.

War is an ugly thing.

You know it is a peculiar thing that people here can suddenly get a case of morals about the Geth after Shepard already killed 330,000 Batarians pretty much for less than a six month delay in an attack on earth by destroying a mass relay, yet seem fine with Shepard getting off with less than a slap on the wrist because the "glove didn't fit." Isn't that genocide as well? I know. "But they're Batarians who take slaves!"

We had a choice to make peace. The batarians were screwed no matter what we did. If we played arrival we did it. If we did not, someone else did it.

In other words, we could make peace with Geth/Quarians. Saving the Batarians, not so much.

EDIT: Man or machine goes down to opinion really. You like the Geth or the Quarians. Pick options.

Modifié par G Kevin, 10 avril 2012 - 01:30 .

[G Kevin]

Sparatus wrote...

Balak should have been the main character.

He would have just tossed an asteroid into Rannoch and got it over with.

Speaking of him, what happened to him if you let him go?

[Aramina]

G Kevin wrote...

Aramina wrote...

Olueq wrote...

I think you are grasping at straws here. DId she shoot? no. It was a precaution. The geth were independent so there was no way to know if they were going to be friendly.

It would be great if we had a wealth of information to base our discussion on, but all we have are the tidbits Bio has given us to tell the larger story, so if you say I'm "grasping at straws," then really, we all are. All we get are the codex entries, a few lines of dialogue, some memories the geth share with us. We have no idea what the full story is based off of this, so all we can do is use the little pieces to try and come up with the big picture.

Back to the topic at hand. Precaution or no, pointing your gun at someone is not the best way to begin any sort of friendly dialogue. If the Prime had proven to be a threat, they could have drawn their guns quick enough. Or she could have hacked it, buying them time enough to neutralize it. At this point in the game, a single Prime is no threat at all to Shep and his/her crew.

Well that's why we should not be having this discussion. We don't really have any sufficient evidence to do anything. It's an issue with no clear victor.

I think Tali reacted with the surprise of the Geth Prime jogging to them. She did lower her gun after the she saw the Geth intended no harm and that is was a genuine offer. 

No reason not to have a discussion, just as long as everyone keeps their perspective. Myself, I've already shown that if forced into it, I'd side with the Geth. However, that doesn't mean I despise the Quarians. To me it is simply the lesser evil of what would ultimately be a horrible choice. No one should ever have the power to end an entire race like that.

And yes, she did lower her gun. I was just showing that, at least for now, the initial reaction of the Quarians to the Geth is suspicion. After all, if it had been a random Turian jogging towards her she never would have pointed a gun at them like that. A vorcha or batarian on the other hand...might have had the same reaction. It's far too easy to condemn a whole group for the actions of a few.

[G Kevin]

Aramina wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

Aramina wrote...

Olueq wrote...

I think you are grasping at straws here. DId she shoot? no. It was a precaution. The geth were independent so there was no way to know if they were going to be friendly.

It would be great if we had a wealth of information to base our discussion on, but all we have are the tidbits Bio has given us to tell the larger story, so if you say I'm "grasping at straws," then really, we all are. All we get are the codex entries, a few lines of dialogue, some memories the geth share with us. We have no idea what the full story is based off of this, so all we can do is use the little pieces to try and come up with the big picture.

Back to the topic at hand. Precaution or no, pointing your gun at someone is not the best way to begin any sort of friendly dialogue. If the Prime had proven to be a threat, they could have drawn their guns quick enough. Or she could have hacked it, buying them time enough to neutralize it. At this point in the game, a single Prime is no threat at all to Shep and his/her crew.

Well that's why we should not be having this discussion. We don't really have any sufficient evidence to do anything. It's an issue with no clear victor.

I think Tali reacted with the surprise of the Geth Prime jogging to them. She did lower her gun after the she saw the Geth intended no harm and that is was a genuine offer. 

No reason not to have a discussion, just as long as everyone keeps their perspective. Myself, I've already shown that if forced into it, I'd side with the Geth. However, that doesn't mean I despise the Quarians. To me it is simply the lesser evil of what would ultimately be a horrible choice. No one should ever have the power to end an entire race like that.

And yes, she did lower her gun. I was just showing that, at least for now, the initial reaction of the Quarians to the Geth is suspicion. After all, if it had been a random Turian jogging towards her she never would have pointed a gun at them like that. A vorcha or batarian on the other hand...might have had the same reaction. It's far too easy to condemn a whole group for the actions of a few.

I know, it just seems like all this discussion ever winds down to is just arguments from both sides not discussions.

Again to be fair, the Geth were trying to kill everyone a few minutes ago so...

[4stringwizard]

Catroi wrote...

Quarians are genocidal maniacs there is no doubt about this, you cannot justify by ANY reason the destruction of an entire sentient specie

Geth only sided with the reapers because they lost a lot of their intelligence BECAUSE of the Quarian attack.

If Tali did not kill herself I would gladly kill each and every Quarian who went on a genocidal mission on Ranoch, but I had to make peace because miss tech wanted to do some base jumping

^^^ Posts like this are what make people question their faith in humanity. 

[CavScout]

Catroi wrote...

Quarians are genocidal maniacs there is no doubt about this, you cannot justify by ANY reason the destruction of an entire sentient specie

Geth only sided with the reapers because they lost a lot of their intelligence BECAUSE of the Quarian attack.

If Tali did not kill herself I would gladly kill each and every Quarian who went on a genocidal mission on Ranoch, but I had to make peace because miss tech wanted to do some base jumping

Organic genocide to prevent the "genocide" of sythetics... interesting dilemma.

[tybbiesniffer]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

You know it is a peculiar thing that people here can suddenly get a case of morals about the Geth after Shepard already killed 330,000 Batarians pretty much for less than a six month delay in an attack on earth by destroying a mass relay, yet seem fine with Shepard getting off with less than a slap on the wrist because the "glove didn't fit." Isn't that genocide as well? I know. "But they're Batarians who take slaves!"

Good point.  Unfortunately, if we played Arrival, we had no choice but to do it (literally, there was no other option). We can't really debate a choice that we didn't have.  It would've been an interesting discussion though if we had had a choice.

[G Kevin]

Sparatus wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

Speaking of him, what happened to him if you let him go?

He shows up on the Citadel and tries to kill you. You have the option to recruit him and the remnants of the batarian fleet as war assets.

Since I am one of the few people that like batarians I recruited him.

My game bugged out and he showed up in my game despite me sending him to jail in Mass Effect, so I was kind of surprised.

Dang it, I wish I had my save where I did the DLC.