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[G Kevin]

I think all the Quarian hate comes down to the fact that the Admirals started a fight with the Geth and fired at you while you were inside a Geth dreadnought.

Well, here's a thought. In the case that peace cannot be made, couldn't you rebuild the Geth?

I mean Legion could just store the Reaper code and waltz off. The Geth could be rebuilt later just like Tali's father did back on the flotilla in ME2. We kick the crap out of the unjust Admirals and then allow Legion to upload the code later.

[TudorWolf]

fr33stylez wrote...

While I found the Quarians (except Tali and a few others) very annoying, justifying the Geth turning to the Reapers out of 'desperation' is ridiculous.

How many people would be fine if the Krogan turned to the Reapers for help to fight the Salarians? Hell, isn't this what Wrex essentially proposed on Vimire in ME1?

Legion of all people knew the Reapers capabilities. How could he possibly agree? It's like Shepard agreeing with Saren/Synthesis.

As the OP said, the Geth already converted to the Heretics before. And in ME3, they showed that if backed in a corner, they would sign with the most evil entity in the universe. Not really trustworthy to me.

Yo said it yourself, they were backed into a corner. What do you expect them to do, just placidly sit there and let the Quarians genocide them? It's not like anyone is gonna come to their aid. Shepard and co. are the only ones who (potentially) have any idea about the Geth ideology.

Besides, it was the Reapers who extended the offer, the Geth didn't go to them. And Legion also mentions that it wasn't an easy decision to make. When the alternative is extinction, all bets are off

[GuardianAngel470]

goose2989 wrote...

Mr. C wrote...

It's one of the biggest hypocrisies on the BSN .

"I can't wait to wipe out the Quarians, that'll show em!" - Pro_Geth opinion pre-ME3
"I won't pick the Destroy option because I don't want to commit genocide to defeat the Reapers!" - Pro_Geth opinion now

Double-standard there, friends?

Also, stating that the Geth chose to side with the Reapers in self-defense goes against a little thing that our favorite Commander stated....


"I won't let fear compromise who I am"

I hate that line of dialog, it's one of my least favorite in the series. It's vague as hell, doesn't at all represent my resaoning for making that decision, and is completely indefensible.

I've still never kept the base, but it has never been for that reason.

[Vexille]

I feel no sympathy for the geth.. they arent people, hey arent individuals. Quarians are, hence why if I dont make peace its the toasters who die and not the space gypsies

[Mr. C]

The Night Mammoth wrote...


A very small number of Geth helped the Reapers. The majority took no part. When posed with the possibility of extinction, they chose survival whatever the cost. 

Remember what Legion said in Me2? How the Reapers were just as much a threat to Geth as they are to organics? After their usefulness expired the Reapers would wipe the Geth out anyway.

[Saul Iscariot]

The Heretics were only a small portion of the Geth, but as the remaining Geth chose to stand idly by and do nothing, abdicating responsibility to Shepard to decide their future they are evil.

[ZeroSum7]

I didn't have to choose one species, but I would have sided with the Geth. Why? because throughout ME3 the Quarians were acting extremely selfishly and stupid. (Starting a war after the reapers started to invade, Attacking a ship with me in it, and after I stop the Geth from attacking the Quarians AGAIN try to destroy the Geth)

[The Night Mammoth]

Saul Iscariot wrote...

The Geth randomly attacked any vessels that entered their system.

Out of fear. 

The Geth Collective endorsed the actions of the Heretics by not being able to come to the conclusion to destroy them.

As a people who didn't find the prospect of mass murder appealing, I can see why. 

Did they know what Nazara's intentions were?

The Geth supposedly were prepared to sacrifice themselves to save Quarians yet they had no problem going to war to defend themselves.

Some Geth were prepared to sacrifice themselves to save Quarians that showed them sympathy and kindness. They also killed plenty of other Quarians who wanted to kill them, during the Morning War. 

When their entire species was posed with extinction by another species who felt no sympathy and showed no kindess anymore, they chose to defend themselves. When Shepard posed the possibility of friendship and cooperation, the Geth collectively embraced the Quarians again. 

They are the worst pacifist group since the Viet Kong.

They aren't pacifists and never have beem. 

[G Kevin]

TudorWolf wrote...

fr33stylez wrote...

While I found the Quarians (except Tali and a few others) very annoying, justifying the Geth turning to the Reapers out of 'desperation' is ridiculous.

How many people would be fine if the Krogan turned to the Reapers for help to fight the Salarians? Hell, isn't this what Wrex essentially proposed on Vimire in ME1?

Legion of all people knew the Reapers capabilities. How could he possibly agree? It's like Shepard agreeing with Saren/Synthesis.

As the OP said, the Geth already converted to the Heretics before. And in ME3, they showed that if backed in a corner, they would sign with the most evil entity in the universe. Not really trustworthy to me.

Yo said it yourself, they were backed into a corner. What do you expect them to do, just placidly sit there and let the Quarians genocide them? It's not like anyone is gonna come to their aid. Shepard and co. are the only ones who (potentially) have any idea about the Geth ideology.

Besides, it was the Reapers who extended the offer, the Geth didn't go to them. And Legion also mentions that it wasn't an easy decision to make. When the alternative is extinction, all bets are off

Why did the Geth never tell anyone that they meant no harm? Instead killing any ship that came into the Veil.

[Fishy]

Robot like that  would pose a very great threat to our existence. So I somewhat understand the Quarians. Robot aren't tired . They don't need to be educated .. No need for school or FOOD. The only advantage we have it's we're aware. Because in everything else robot and computer are better and faster than us.

How would you react if such a robot existed today? Would you allow it to replicate itself?

[bleetman]

It still seems pointless to 'hate' either faction. They're both wrong, and they're both right.

[Pulletlamer]

That's why I choose Peace. Win button.

No, but seriously, both have their points, although if I really had to choose I would choose the quarians any day. The geth are not organics. Even though they rebelled in self defense and I consider their position to be empathizable and I see their stance and all ( and I like Legion), I would never commit genocide of organics over synthetics.

Even though geth are sentinet, they're just machines. They can be rebuilt and repaired. Organics can't.

Modifié par Pulletlamer, 09 avril 2012 - 11:06 .

[G Kevin]

Suprez30 wrote...

Robot like that  would pose a very great threat to our existence. So I somewhat understand the Quarians. Robot aren't tired . They don't need to be educated .. No need for school or FOOD. The only advantage we have it's we're aware. Because in everything else robot and computer are better and faster than us.

How would you react if such a robot existed today? Would you allow it to replicate itself?

Kind of why I don't view the Geth as equal to organics. They are different but I don't see them living peacefully in the future if resources are contested.

bleetman wrote...

It still seems pointless to 'hate' either faction. They're both wrong, and they're both right.

 

I agree with this. You're a monster if you try to kill either side.

Modifié par G Kevin, 09 avril 2012 - 11:07 .

[GuardianAngel470]

G Kevin wrote...

I think all the Quarian hate comes down to the fact that the Admirals started a fight with the Geth and fired at you while you were inside a Geth dreadnought.

Well, here's a thought. In the case that peace cannot be made, couldn't you rebuild the Geth?

I mean Legion could just store the Reaper code and waltz off. The Geth could be rebuilt later just like Tali's father did back on the flotilla in ME2. We kick the crap out of the unjust Admirals and then allow Legion to upload the code later.

No, you can't. Geth are software, that's their population. If you destroy the physical forms, they generally try and upload to another server or something nearby to avoid permanent deletion.

However if you take out their entire fleet, it's implied that they can't do that. So those runtimes are irrevocably gone. You could theoretically write new runtimes, but they would be completely without 300+ years of modifying and adapting. It'd be like creating clones of the protheans from Javik. Yeah you could do it, but you wouldn't be bringing back the protheans by doing it.

[movieguyabw]

Simple answer: Legion.

[Topsider]

Choosing "destroy" is basically Geth genocide even if you achieved Quarian/Geth peace. Synthetics die. So it's not surprising that some people would avoid that option.
I chose the Quarians because I had no peace option. Legion is great but I'm not sure about the rest of his buddies. I'll trust flesh and blood over metal and circuits.

[AngryFrozenWater]

ZeroSum7 wrote...

I didn't have to choose one species, but I would have sided with the Geth. Why? because throughout ME3 the Quarians were acting extremely selfishly and stupid. (Starting a war after the reapers started to invade, Attacking a ship with me in it, and after I stop the Geth from attacking the Quarians AGAIN try to destroy the Geth)

Agreed. I would never side with the quarians for the same reasons.

[G Kevin]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

I think all the Quarian hate comes down to the fact that the Admirals started a fight with the Geth and fired at you while you were inside a Geth dreadnought.

Well, here's a thought. In the case that peace cannot be made, couldn't you rebuild the Geth?

I mean Legion could just store the Reaper code and waltz off. The Geth could be rebuilt later just like Tali's father did back on the flotilla in ME2. We kick the crap out of the unjust Admirals and then allow Legion to upload the code later.

No, you can't. Geth are software, that's their population. If you destroy the physical forms, they generally try and upload to another server or something nearby to avoid permanent deletion.

However if you take out their entire fleet, it's implied that they can't do that. So those runtimes are irrevocably gone. You could theoretically write new runtimes, but they would be completely without 300+ years of modifying and adapting. It'd be like creating clones of the protheans from Javik. Yeah you could do it, but you wouldn't be bringing back the protheans by doing it.

So the Geth on Tali's Loyalty mission were part of the Geth Consensus as a whole?

[The Night Mammoth]

Mr. C wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...


A very small number of Geth helped the Reapers. The majority took no part. When posed with the possibility of extinction, they chose survival whatever the cost. 

Remember what Legion said in Me2? How the Reapers were just as much a threat to Geth as they are to organics? After their usefulness expired the Reapers would wipe the Geth out anyway.

Which was either something they didn't consider, didn't know at all because Nazara lied to them, or it's something they thought of but decided not to do because it would be doing something similar to what the Quarians tried - mass murder. 

Or maybe it was a combination of these. 

No, I don't think they should have sided with the Reapers in ME3, but I can understand why they did, just like I could understand why Wrex wanted the cure in ME1 no matter the cost, even though I persuaded him against joining Saren. 

[Mr. C]

G Kevin wrote...

TudorWolf wrote...

fr33stylez wrote...

While I found the Quarians (except Tali and a few others) very annoying, justifying the Geth turning to the Reapers out of 'desperation' is ridiculous.

How many people would be fine if the Krogan turned to the Reapers for help to fight the Salarians? Hell, isn't this what Wrex essentially proposed on Vimire in ME1?

Legion of all people knew the Reapers capabilities. How could he possibly agree? It's like Shepard agreeing with Saren/Synthesis.

As the OP said, the Geth already converted to the Heretics before. And in ME3, they showed that if backed in a corner, they would sign with the most evil entity in the universe. Not really trustworthy to me.

Yo said it yourself, they were backed into a corner. What do you expect them to do, just placidly sit there and let the Quarians genocide them? It's not like anyone is gonna come to their aid. Shepard and co. are the only ones who (potentially) have any idea about the Geth ideology.

Besides, it was the Reapers who extended the offer, the Geth didn't go to them. And Legion also mentions that it wasn't an easy decision to make. When the alternative is extinction, all bets are off

Why did the Geth never tell anyone that they meant no harm? Instead killing any ship that came into the Veil.

Exactly. When the Heretics broke off to follow Sovereign, where was the email to the Citadel saying "Heads up, they don't represent us. xoxoxo - Geth"

[Brosome]

What really bugs me is a lot of people going around saying, "Hah! **** those Quarians/Geth!".

I don't think they've really grasped the gravity of what they just did.

You just allowed the slaughter of an ENTIRE RACE. As in ALL OF THEM. THEY'RE ALL DEAD! AN ENTIRE RACE IS ****ING EXTINCT AND IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT!

And don't give me that, "oh, it was THEIR choice", bull****. Mass Effect is a game about decisions. Decisions that YOU make.

And yet some people have the gall to laugh about it.

Seriously, **** you guys. (the psychopathic, laughing people, not you guys)

[bleetman]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

ZeroSum7 wrote...

I didn't have to choose one species, but I would have sided with the Geth. Why? because throughout ME3 the Quarians were acting extremely selfishly and stupid. (Starting a war after the reapers started to invade, Attacking a ship with me in it, and after I stop the Geth from attacking the Quarians AGAIN try to destroy the Geth)

Agreed. I would never side with the quarians for the same reasons.

I would remind people that all of the above is the result of decisions made by a handful of individuals. One, in the case of attacking the dreadnought with Shepard's team aboard.

That, to me, doesn't justify the destruction of their entire species.

[WE_Belisarius]

I can not understand this polarization either.
Both sides had done horrible things in the past few hundreds years and you can not simply say the war crimes of the geth/quarians were more evil, then the ones from the other race and besides none of the current quarians and many geth did not took part in the morning war. You can not simply judge people due to the actions of their previous generations.
If I had to choose, I would side with the quarians. It is a normal social behaviour to side with a group, which is "closer" to oneself and geth are pretty "alien" in comparison with the quarians

Modifié par WE_Belisarius, 09 avril 2012 - 11:14 .

[G Kevin]

[quote]AngryFrozenWater wrote...

[quote]ZeroSum7 wrote...

I didn't have to choose one species, but I would have sided with the Geth. Why? because throughout ME3 the Quarians were acting extremely selfishly and stupid. (Starting a war after the reapers started to invade, Attacking a ship with me in it, and after I stop the Geth from attacking the Quarians AGAIN try to destroy the Geth)[/quote]
Agreed. I would never side with the quarians for the same reasons.

[/quote]

The majority did not want to fight the Geth but the people in charge felt the need to. If a country A attacked country B even though the majority of the population in country A opposed fighting country B, are they terrible people that should be killed because of the actions of their leaders?

[quote]WE_Belisarius wrote...

I can not understand this polarization either.
Both sides had done horrible things in the past few hundreds years and you can not simply say the war crimes of the geth/quarians were more evil, then the ones from the other race and besides none of the current quarians and many geth did not took part in the morning war. You can not simply judge people due to the actions of their previous generations.
If I had to choose, I would side with the quarians. It is a normal social behaviour to side with a group, which is "closer" to oneself and geth are pretty "alien" in comparison with the geth.[/quote 

Again, I agree. Why is it OK to kill the Quarians, committing genocide, but it's not OK to kill the Geth?

Modifié par G Kevin, 09 avril 2012 - 11:15 .

[XxI EpiK IxX]

4stringwizard wrote...

The Geth wouldn't have been more useful.  The Quarians had the largest fleet in the galaxy and the Geth were weakened if they had been destroyed rather than re-written.  

So again, I don't understand the sheer amount of bias toward the Geth in this case.  If you ask me, they were no better allies than the Quarians (maybe worse given the circumstances).  Thoughts?  

For me the Geth were worth more in war assets. 
but I united them anyway.