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[Icinix]

Esker02 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Out of all the races in the ME galaxy, the Geth are the only ones that don't use subterfuge, deceit and violence as a means of getting what they want, only as a last resort.

No other race can say the same.

Yes, the geth were very noble in that they only turned to the reapers after attempting to surrender to the quarians, and ruling out fleeing Rannoch completely.

... ???

Why would they surrender when other options were available to them? Why would they give up a world they held for generations, a world that was theres as well, they were built to tend it in many ways. Then their creators decided to enact genocide upon them, why would they then just turn around and go, yeah, you did lots of bad stuff to us, but we forgive you. We'll leave OUR world too and give it back to you.

How often did the Quarians ever actually try to enter dialogue with the Geth. Did anyone try to enter dialgoue with the Geth?

[NM_Che56]

Geth displayed sentience. Quarians panicked and tried to destroy them (after seeing Terminator, I'd be gunshy too). Geth resisted. Didn't try to exterminate all of them. Only the heretics were aggressive. The other Geth seem to just be keeping the home fires burning for the Quarians once they get over their fear. Hence, they do not attack once Legion installs Reaper tech.

[EricHVela]

You can't trust people that hide behind a mask. Javik said something like that.

I don't hate the Quarians. I dislike specific Quarians that dragged their people kicking and screaming into a war that they didn't want to have.

[daboy042188]

because if the quarians had just ASKED the geth would have let them come back to rannoch, instead the guarians pulled them apart to test all kinds of messed up weaponry on them, eventually using said weaponry to jump back to rannoch, blow up the geth dyson sphere and just in general start shenanigans with the geth. it's like a kid hitting his brother and then crying when his brother hits back. also every time the quarians are given a chance between doing the smart thing and attacking the geth they attack the geth. I rallied them but if i'd had to pick i'd have probs gone with geth since the quarians started everything

[zapphoman24]

Before Mass Effect 3 came out, I knew I would eventually have to choose between the geth and the quarians. My Shepard is always about peace. If he can get out of a situation with no conflict, that is a victory for him, so cooperation was ideal, but if I had to absolutely choose, it would be Quarians all the way. I would never choose machines over organics. It doesn't matter how intelligent the machines are. They are not made of organs, blood, and bone and with the live ships filled with people who didn't want to be involved in the war and children, it made that choice all the more obvious. Fortunately my Shepard was able to get that boshtat Han Gerrel to stop attacking.

Something else I find interesting. In ME2 I found Han Gerrel to be my friend among the admirals (other than Ran of course) and Koris to be the jerk but it was like reversed in ME3. I guess it was the situations at the time.

[Smeffects]

Its kinda obvious the op didnt do every mission about geth/quarrian story.

First of all its made 100% clear that the geth acted in self defense in the morning war. Its also made clear that some quarrian civilians where pro geth and where killed defending geths that did not understand the attempt at destruction from their creator. Hell you also learn from legion that the geths literally took care and cleaned the planet for the Quarrian one day to come back to a good home planet had they asked. Defending yourself is justifiable, attacking others is not. The fact that they were ok with slaughtering their own kind to eliminate geths that were not a threat made me care very little about their civilians or their race. Hell they put their own civilians in trouble again just to attack the homeworld.

I was able to get peace. If i had to choose, id take the geth side. Simply because Quarrian leadership is rotten. Its obivous in me2 when you dont give admiral Xen anything. She finds the data from the science ship and threaten humanity in a mail about them having the largest  synthetic army in the future.

Can the geth be justified when they ran for reaper help. Not really, they knew what was gona happen and legion said it. However as legion also said: To them being slave would be better then total destruction. Im not sure i share this point of view completly but its as logical as attacking one of the strongest military force (the geth) during the reaper invasion.

Modifié par Smeffects, 10 avril 2012 - 02:20 .

[fr33stylez]

Smeffects wrote...

Its kinda obvious the op didnt do every mission about geth/quarrian story.

First of all its made 100% clear that the geth acted in self defense in the morning war. Its also made clear that some quarrian civilians where pro geth and where killed defending geths that did not understand the attempt at destruction from their creator. Hell you also learn from legion that the geths literally took care and cleaned the planet for the Quarrian one day to come back to a good home planet had they asked. Defending yourself is justifiable, attacking others is not. The fact that they were ok with slaughtering their own kind to eliminate geths that were not a threat made me care very little about their civilians or their race. Hell they put their own civilians in trouble again just to attack the homeworld.

I was able to get peace. If i had to choose, id take the geth side. Simply because Quarrian leadership is rotten. Its obivous in me2 when you dont give admiral Xen anything. She finds the data from the science ship and threaten humanity in a mail about them having the largest  synthetic army in the future.

Can the geth be justified when they ran for reaper help. Not really, they knew what was gona happen and legion said it. However as legion also said: To them being slave would be better then total destruction. Im not sure i share this point of view completly but its as logical as attacking one of the strongest military force (the geth) during the reaper invasion.

I think most people would choose peace as opposed to exterminating one race or the other.

But you said it yourself. Can the Geth be justified in running to th Reapers? They cannot.

In your quote of Legion, you pretty much highlighted that the geth's reasoning was no different from Saren in ME1. Saren would have rather become 'slaves' of the Reapers to save organics from destruction. Shepard goes AGAINST this. Shepard in ME1 and ME2still has no plan of defeating the Reapers, but he STILL doesn't take this approach.

[luchozuca]

The Angry One wrote...

The Geth always had sentience. Are you now arguing that Legion wasn't sentient?
The difference with the upgrade is all Geth no longer need other Geth to be intelligent.

As for the Reapers. The Quarians committed GENOCIDE on them when they destroyed their construct. So many Geth programs were destroyed that they collectively became dumber.
They panicked and sought the Reapers' help out of desperation, and the Reapers promptly betrayed and hacked them.

The reason the Geth never wiped out the Quarians is because they couldn't comprehend the idea of wiping out their creators. They were not killbots, they simply couldn't accept that outcome and let them go.

/thread

I do not like tha Quarians way of treating the Geth rise in the very beggining of it.
Talking with Tali and then Legion in ME1 and ME2, you clearly see that the Quarians freaked out the very moment the Geth started showing some form of sentient thought, when one unit finally asked if it had a soul, all hell broke loose.
Instead of trying and to comprehend it and reason with them, they unilaterally decided to shut down all Geth for good, obviously the Geth as a consensus saw this as a threat and tried to stop the Quarians from wiping them out, they were reacting as any sentient being would do, they wanted to live.
You pretty much see on ME3 how the Quarians declared martial law during the Morning War and even they got as far as killing other Quarians disagreeing and protecting the Geth. I also grew to somewhat dislike Tali views on ME2 during her loyalty mission, she was grown to actually want to fight and kill the Geth, seeing no other option to resolve the conflict... i thought my influence on ME1 would have given her another point of view 
That being said, i was happy to be able to choose to make peace between the Geth and the Quarians, they are genocidal maniacs, but still i didn't want to become like them when resolving the conflict.

Modifié par luchozuca, 10 avril 2012 - 03:16 .

[cerberus1701]

4stringwizard wrote...

My apologies beforehand for the long post...

It feels like most people, if forced to choose, decided to wipe out the Quarians rather than the Geth during the Rannoch.  Which is fine and dandy by me cause it's your choice, but it's not as if it's done cause it's paragon/renegade.  The main reason given by most people seems to be:

1.  The Quarians are genocidal maniacs and had it coming.
2.  The Geth are just innocent victims in all this.  

Really?  Although I'm not very surprised since Bioware tried their darnest to paint the Geth as helpless victims in ME3, I still don't understand the amount of bias towards the Geth in this case.  First off,

1.  The Quarians weren't "genocidal maniacs".  They tried to reclaim their home world.  For crying out loud people, wouldn't you have done the same thing?  Beside, not all Quarians supported the war or the first "Morning War."  And they were attacing machines.  I repeat, MACHINES.  Whether the Geth were alive/sentient at the end is moot, but the game makes it clear that the Geth didn't achieve sentience until after they got the Reaper upgrades.  Even if they were alive/sentient, the Quarians wouldn't have known this.  For all they knew at the time, the Geth were just machines still.  Speaking of Reapers...

2.  The Geth weren't "innocent" in all this.  They sided with the Reapers not once, but TWICE over the course of the trilogy.  Yeah, the first ones to side were the "heretics", but even still, they were once true Geth.  if they could turn, why couldn't the true Geth?  At best, this shows the Geth to be untrustworthy.  As far as ME3, even if the Geth were desparate, they sided with the Reapers knowing full well what their intentions were.  Nobody is even bothered by this?  Again, this shows the Geth to be untrustworthy.  What would have stopped them from waging war against organics later to better themselves?

3.  Another pro-Geth argument I've heard is that the Geth were peaceful and let the Quarians live during the first war, when they had to chance to pursue them or wipe them out.  Well, Legion himself says the ONLY reason the Geth didn't wipe out the Quarians was because they weren't smart enough to make that decision at the time.  Even during the game, Legion basically admits to Shepard that the Geth aren't any better than organics.  (This occurs after Shepard finds out that Legion had his something from him.)  The Geth wouldn't have been more useful.  The Quarians had the largest fleet in the galaxy and the Geth were weakened if they had been destroyed rather than re-written.  

So again, I don't understand the sheer amount of bias toward the Geth in this case.  If you ask me, they were no better allies than the Quarians (maybe worse given the circumstances).  Thoughts?  

Here's the deal:

* The Quarians started the Morning War.

* The Geth let the Quarians go.

* The Geth were non-hostile on a major scale beyond protecting their borders. In short, if you left them alone, they left you alone.

* The **Quarians** started the second war when they thought they could win. And in so doing killed many Geth runtimes. Now, this isn't a bad thing if you don't see the Geth as collectively sentient.

But they are.

And you completely misunderstood the plot of the Chapter in 3. The Reaper Code upgrades allowed an INDIVIDUAL Geth to achieve sentience. Before the Reapers it took many Geth interconnected to achieve the same level of cognizance.

Legion actually SHOWS you this on screen.

* Throughout the entire chapter, it's the GETH that want to stop the fighting.

As for them joining the Reapers, "The enemy of my enemy..." comes to mind.You have a race that is more like you than the organics and is offering aid against a race that just attacked you again, killing many of you and threatening your entire race

* The Geth maintain and honor the memories of Quarians who stood up for them while it's the Quarians have held on to nothing but obsessive, seething rage.Tali once gripes to Shep in 2 about how it it would take decades or longer to adapt, so we HAVE to go back to Rannoch.

Well, ummm...if you had settled somewhere within even a few decades of your expulsion, you'd have a new home by now.

And they WERE smart enough to destroy the Quarians if they chose to after the Morning War. As Legion explains in dialogue they didn't pursue because they were "young"  the Quariansd were gone, and didn't want to deal with the moral issues and unknown consequences of genocide.

Fact is, even my Renegade Shep finds saving the Quarians just too repulsive to do. As J in MiB said, "Don't start nothin', won't be nothin'"

The Quarians started it...TWICE and the only reason the they REALLY wanted Shep's help was because the Geth were gonna finish it better for the second time.

Modifié par cerberus1701, 10 avril 2012 - 03:30 .

[Haargel]

Instead of taking their homeworld back, the Quarians could have opened diplomatic negotiations.
Remeber that the Geth did not seek war with the Quarians.

The Quarians blind raged just attacked the Geth, fearing total elimination, the Geth ask the Reapers for help.

Quarians freaked out over the ´Does this unit have a soul?´ and attemted to commit genocide.

Apart from a few, the Quarians are just simple, stupid beings.

IMO

[ardias89]

I found Legions action where he wanted to upload the code scary because i did not have that much faith in the geth. I rolled the dice and let him do it but made peace between the two sides when i could. So i did consider them very dangerous and would have chosen the Quarians but i think peace is best so that both sides can learn from their mistakes together.

[Fail_Inc]

Real men save both the Geth and the Quarians and dislike them both, we got a planet to take back!

[Esker02]

Icinix wrote...

Why would they surrender when other options were available to them? Why would they give up a world they held for generations, a world that was theres as well, they were built to tend it in many ways. Then their creators decided to enact genocide upon them, why would they then just turn around and go, yeah, you did lots of bad stuff to us, but we forgive you. We'll leave OUR world too and give it back to you.

How often did the Quarians ever actually try to enter dialogue with the Geth. Did anyone try to enter dialgoue with the Geth?

Actually, yes. The geth killed everybody that entered their space and attempted to communicate with them. This was established, I believe, in ME1. The quarians had every reason, given this, to suspect they had no choice but warfare. It was because of the geth's practice of blowing up every ship that neared them that people, surprise, had the preconception they were warlike and uninterested in peace.

It was on the geth to try and communicate to the quarians they had changed, or were mistaken. They went to the reapers instead.

[D4rkSektor]

The ignorance and hypocrisy in this thread are almost palpable.

I do think that attacking the Geth is wrong, but it's not black and white like many people here seem to think it is. Consider the following: your people were decimated in a war against the Geth and were forced from their home world. Yes, they let you go, but only a fraction of your entire population survived.

You spend the next 300 years roaming the stars aboard ships and are painted as the galaxy's beggars and thieves and are continually discriminated against. The time aboard the starships has also rendered your immune systems virtually useless, confining everyone to suits for their entire lives and making simple pleasures impractical at best.

Meanwhile, the Geth are seemingly hostile and highly territorial. All efforts to make contact with the Geth beyond the Perseus Veil have been met with death and destruction. The Heretics certainly do not help their image to organics. Peace is seemingly impossible at this point.

Yes, there is Legion, but remember his intended purpose. He was sent out to investigate organics, specifically Shepard. He was the first step towards peace, but a single Geth platform that doesn't even make contact with the Quarians (except Tali) should not be considered a formal attempt at peace.

All of the discrimination, desperation (especially with the Reapers beginning their attack), and apparent impossibility of peace lead to the Quarians attempting to take back their home world with force.

It does not make their attack right, but it is understandable and it does make it excusable as long as they were able to make peace with each other in the end. Genocide is never right, no matter what. But apprently, people here seem to disagree with that notion. There are people here who decide that saving the Geth and killing off the Quarians is the better option because they need to be punished for initiating the attack. What the **** is wrong with you?

The Quarians (or the Geth) going extinct because of your decision makes you worse than they are because they were at least ignorant to the Geths' true intentions. You were not. You should have known their respective histories. Anything else means you are not in any position to decide the fate of two races.

Modifié par D4rkSektor, 10 avril 2012 - 09:53 .

[Vilegrim]

1) the question that started the whole war was does this unit have a soul? That's self awareness.

2) A small fraction did yes, but then there where human traitors as well, also turian and asari ones.

3) Peace is possible, haven't messed it up badly enough to not get a truce. (1 play through here.)

[D4rkSektor]

cerberus1701 wrote...
Here's the deal:

* The Quarians started the Morning War.

* The Geth let the Quarians go.

* The Geth were non-hostile on a major scale beyond protecting their borders. In short, if you left them alone, they left you alone.

* The **Quarians** started the second war when they thought they could win. And in so doing killed many Geth runtimes. Now, this isn't a bad thing if you don't see the Geth as collectively sentient.

But they are.

And you completely misunderstood the plot of the Chapter in 3. The Reaper Code upgrades allowed an INDIVIDUAL Geth to achieve sentience. Before the Reapers it took many Geth interconnected to achieve the same level of cognizance.

Legion actually SHOWS you this on screen.

* Throughout the entire chapter, it's the GETH that want to stop the fighting.

As for them joining the Reapers, "The enemy of my enemy..." comes to mind.You have a race that is more like you than the organics and is offering aid against a race that just attacked you again, killing many of you and threatening your entire race

* The Geth maintain and honor the memories of Quarians who stood up for them while it's the Quarians have held on to nothing but obsessive, seething rage.Tali once gripes to Shep in 2 about how it it would take decades or longer to adapt, so we HAVE to go back to Rannoch.

Well, ummm...if you had settled somewhere within even a few decades of your expulsion, you'd have a new home by now.

And they WERE smart enough to destroy the Quarians if they chose to after the Morning War. As Legion explains in dialogue they didn't pursue because they were "young"  the Quariansd were gone, and didn't want to deal with the moral issues and unknown consequences of genocide.

Fact is, even my Renegade Shep finds saving the Quarians just too repulsive to do. As J in MiB said, "Don't start nothin', won't be nothin'"

The Quarians started it...TWICE and the only reason the they REALLY wanted Shep's help was because the Geth were gonna finish it better for the second time.

You are wrong. You are worse than the Quarians. See my previous post.

[4stringwizard]

Vilegrim wrote...

1) the question that started the whole war was does this unit have a soul? That's self awareness.

2) A small fraction did yes, but then there where human traitors as well, also turian and asari ones.

3) Peace is possible, haven't messed it up badly enough to not get a truce. (1 play through here.)

Regarding 2, ALL of the Geth except for Legion sided with the Reapers in ME3.  

[4stringwizard]

D4rkSektor wrote...

The ignorance and hypocrisy in this thread are almost palpable.

I do think that attacking the Geth is wrong, but it's not black and white like many people here seem to think it is. Consider the following: your people were decimated in a war against the Geth and were forced from their home world. Yes, they let you go, but only a fraction of your entire population survived.

You spend the next 300 years roaming the stars aboard ships and are painted as the galaxy's beggars and thieves and are continually discriminated against. The time aboard the starships has also rendered your immune systems virtually useless, confining everyone to suits for their entire lives and making simple pleasures impractical at best.

Meanwhile, the Geth are seemingly hostile and highly territorial. All efforts to make contact with the Geth beyond the Perseus Veil have been met with death and destruction. The Heretics certainly do not help their image to organics. Peace is seemingly impossible at this point.

Yes, there is Legion, but remember his intended purpose. He was sent out to investigate organics, specifically Shepard. He was the first step towards peace, but a single Geth platform that doesn't even make contact with the Quarians (except Tali) should not be considered a formal attempt at peace.

All of the discrimination, desperation (especially with the Reapers beginning their attack), and apparent impossibility of peace lead to the Quarians attempting to take back their home world with force.

It does not make their attack right, but it is understandable and it does make it excusable as long as they were able to make peace with each other in the end. Genocide is never right, no matter what. But apprently, people here seem to disagree with that notion. There are people here who decide that saving the Geth and killing off the Quarians is the better option because they need to be punished for initiating the attack. What the **** is wrong with you?

The Quarians going extinct because of your decision makes you worse than they are because they were at least ignorant to the Geths' true intentions. You were not. You should have known their respective histories. Anything else means you are not in any position to decide the fate of two races.

Well said!  Some of the comments in this thread have been disturbing to say the least.  People treat genocide against the Quarians as no biggie cause "they had it coming".  (really people?)  But reading some posts, you'd think the Geth did no wrong and were more valuable than the lives of actual organics.  

[D4rkSektor]

4stringwizard wrote...

D4rkSektor wrote...

The ignorance and hypocrisy in this thread are almost palpable.

I do think that attacking the Geth is wrong, but it's not black and white like many people here seem to think it is. Consider the following: your people were decimated in a war against the Geth and were forced from their home world. Yes, they let you go, but only a fraction of your entire population survived.

You spend the next 300 years roaming the stars aboard ships and are painted as the galaxy's beggars and thieves and are continually discriminated against. The time aboard the starships has also rendered your immune systems virtually useless, confining everyone to suits for their entire lives and making simple pleasures impractical at best.

Meanwhile, the Geth are seemingly hostile and highly territorial. All efforts to make contact with the Geth beyond the Perseus Veil have been met with death and destruction. The Heretics certainly do not help their image to organics. Peace is seemingly impossible at this point.

Yes, there is Legion, but remember his intended purpose. He was sent out to investigate organics, specifically Shepard. He was the first step towards peace, but a single Geth platform that doesn't even make contact with the Quarians (except Tali) should not be considered a formal attempt at peace.

All of the discrimination, desperation (especially with the Reapers beginning their attack), and apparent impossibility of peace lead to the Quarians attempting to take back their home world with force.

It does not make their attack right, but it is understandable and it does make it excusable as long as they were able to make peace with each other in the end. Genocide is never right, no matter what. But apprently, people here seem to disagree with that notion. There are people here who decide that saving the Geth and killing off the Quarians is the better option because they need to be punished for initiating the attack. What the **** is wrong with you?

The Quarians going extinct because of your decision makes you worse than they are because they were at least ignorant to the Geths' true intentions. You were not. You should have known their respective histories. Anything else means you are not in any position to decide the fate of two races.

Well said!  Some of the comments in this thread have been disturbing to say the least.  People treat genocide against the Quarians as no biggie cause "they had it coming".  (really people?)  But reading some posts, you'd think the Geth did no wrong and were more valuable than the lives of actual organics.  

The Geth are a sentient and sapient species, even if different from organics. They aren't more valuable than the Quarians and the Quarians aren't more valuable than the Geth. They are equal in value. To say otherwise would bring you one step closer the Reapers. It's Garrus said, "the ruthless calculus of war."

That said, you are right. Some people in this thread (and forum for that matter) make me question their intelligence and morals.

Modifié par D4rkSektor, 10 avril 2012 - 10:00 .

[136th]

Seriously forget the philosophical BS.
Let's agrees that the geth are just as alive as the the quarians
Now let's be rational here, let's get to the actual historical facts.
Tell me if I misses anythings

Those are all irrefutable facts, they are all mentioned in the ME codex, you can go and read by your self.

1st the quarians, what did they do wrong?
-Attempted genocide. They tried to exterminated the geth, for asking if they have a soul.
-They attacked first

then the geth, what did they do wrong
-Killing billions of quarians in self defense: According to the codex they where billions of quarian before the mourning war, now only 17millions on the flotilla, and no survivor on rannoch; where is the rest of the population? the 99.9%?
-shooting down all organic ships who try to contact them
-Simply let the heretic go when they decided to worship Nazara in an attempt to bring galactic apocalypse. Their only response was to sent Legion, 1 single geth platform.

So the Quarian are worse than the Geth???
I you are trying to play the mr or ms "I look cool because I side with the Geth", you just look like an idiot who idealize the geth, and demonize the quarians

Geth's logic: We commit genocide by killing mor than 99.9% of the quarian and let our splinter group bring back the reapers without taking any action. We did it in the name of self-defense and isolationism; therefore, you cannot blame us for anything, the organics strated first, it's all their fault.

Modifié par 136th, 10 avril 2012 - 10:24 .

[Silvair]

Kay, here we go.

1) Geth acted in self defense only (with th eexception of the Heretics).

2) Keep in mind that it's really just Hangarel or whatever his name is, the soldier admiral, who went to war. Xen was more interested in the technological aspect, being morally neutral, and wanting to test technology against the geth. Raan seems to be a "go with the flow" type, and Koris and Tali were both against it.

If it weren't for Tali, I would have sided with the Geth.

The geth policy is quite literally, "To Each Their Own." That's something I almost admire.

[136th]

Silvair wrote...

Kay, here we go.

1) Geth acted in self defense only (with th eexception of the Heretics).

2) Keep in mind that it's really just Hangarel or whatever his name is, the soldier admiral, who went to war. Xen was more interested in the technological aspect, being morally neutral, and wanting to test technology against the geth. Raan seems to be a "go with the flow" type, and Koris and Tali were both against it.

If it weren't for Tali, I would have sided with the Geth.

The geth policy is quite literally, "To Each Their Own." That's something I almost admire.

You most also admire mass genocide then.

[D4rkSektor]

Silvair wrote...

Kay, here we go.

1) Geth acted in self defense only (with th eexception of the Heretics).

2) Keep in mind that it's really just Hangarel or whatever his name is, the soldier admiral, who went to war. Xen was more interested in the technological aspect, being morally neutral, and wanting to test technology against the geth. Raan seems to be a "go with the flow" type, and Koris and Tali were both against it.

If it weren't for Tali, I would have sided with the Geth.

The geth policy is quite literally, "To Each Their Own." That's something I almost admire.

See my previous post.

[EnerPrime]

Honestly, while Legion's propaganda presentation was very nice, I never bought the geth position. First of all, wiping out more than 99.999% of a population is way beyond any reasonable bounds of self defence. If one assumes there was 'only' one billion Quarians and that 17 million escaped, that's only 0.017% of the population surviving. And according to the codex there were billionS of quarians before the morning war. So that means In actuality, far less than 0.0085% of the quarians survived. The geth had to have won the war long before killing at least 99.9925% of the quarians.

On top of that, people keep pointing to the geth letting the fleet go proves that the geth are somhow the virtuous good guys. That omits the fact that those who managed to get to a ship probably were not the totalilty of the survivors, and that the geth then likely proceeded to slaughter any remaing quarians on Rannoch or any quarian colonies. The quarians may have wrongly started the morning war, but the geth committed atrocities to end it.

Add that to the fact that the geth decided that helping the reapers wipe out all advanced organic life in the galaxy before (at best) being kept as slaves for all eternity of (at worst) being killed by the reapers anyways was a better option than trying to actually communicate with someone (quarians, council ...) showed that the geth are still far from understanding the concept of morality.

I'll have sympathy for the geth the day they prove they can solve a problem on their own without killing people. As long as 'kill' is their plan A and 'join the even more murderous machines' is their plan B, I'm hard pressed to care about their plight.

[ticklefist]

Couldn't find a video on youtube of Legion getting shanked so I made one. Enjoy!

www.youtube.com/watch