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[Ieldra]

Mr. C wrote...
It's one of the biggest hypocrisies on the BSN .

"I can't wait to wipe out the Quarians, that'll show em!" - Pro_Geth opinion pre-ME3
"I won't pick the Destroy option because I don't want to commit genocide to defeat the Reapers!" - Pro_Geth opinion now

Double-standard there, friends?

Not me, no. The quarians have been jerks, but that's no reason to kill them. Besides, it's much more useful to have both them and the geth as allies than to have only one. And the moment where they make peace is the most sublime moment in the game.

[Nannersss]

Not all Quarians are bad. Just as not all humans are bad. Also it's clear that not all of them wanted to go to war. I'll save the Quarians and the Geth any day. Neither side deserves to die.

[136th]

Geth's logic: We commit genocide by killing more than 99.9% of the quarian and let our splinter group bring back Reapers without taking any action. We did it in the name of self-defense and isolationism; therefore, you cannot blame us for anything, it's all the organics' fault.

[Tony208]

I'm neutral, I'm not going to decide the fate of people based on the actions of their ancesters 300 years ago. Same reason I spared the Rachni queen.

There's a lot of dissenters and differing opinions within both the Geth and Quarians. It isn't like the Reapers where they all have the same thing in mind (each one a nation? that's BS).

[Colancio]

Easy, Legion > Tali.

[Averdi]

I'm sympathetic to both the geth and quarians. I'm less sympathetic to the quarians who prosecuted the Morning War. Both races made mistakes and suffered at the other's hands, but the quarians in general have had a stubborn refusal to admit geth sentience and maintained, up until Shepard talks them down, an aggressive and merciless posture towards them (the geth).

Regardless how callous or ruthless people feel the geth may have been, the quarians have consistently been the warmongers and they've at least matched the geth in depravity. I still have sympathies for the quarians for all they've suffered, but let's not pretend they (as a race, there are outliers of course) aren't the heavies in that little opera.

[Drummernate]

I hate Quarians in general...

[Karolus_V]

Quarians and Geth are both at fault.

Responding to your question,people tend to defend the ones who are attacked, not the agresors. So, Geth make questions of their own, >Quarians try to disconect or destroy them all.

[Drummernate]

After the Quarians shot at me when I was on the totally disabled Geth dreadnaught it was the final straw.

They had to die.

I am sympathetic towards the Geth because they are awesome.

Quarians are not awesome so I cannot have nearly as much sympathy for them.

Modifié par Drummernate, 23 avril 2012 - 12:12 .

[ElSuperGecko]

Far too many people here obviously watched Short Circuit as a kid.

Number 5 is ALIVE!

I'm going to do a playthrough where I destroy the Heretics, then side with the Quarians in ME3.  Then it'll be even easier to justigy choosing "Destroy".

[KingZayd]

1. Both quarian-geth wars have been started by the quarians. The Quarian homeworld is also the Geth homeworld. The Geth won in in that first war the Quarians started. The Quarians still refused to accept the legitimacy of synthetic life after all this time. The game makes clear that the geth didn't have INDIVIDUAL sentience at the time. In groups they definitely were sentient.

2. That second time? The Quarians forced them to either side with the reapers or die. It's an understandable choice. If the Quarians can create reaper allies once with their stupidity, how can yu trust them not to do it again? The Quarians have displayed an inability to learn from their mistakes.

I don't think the Quarians should be exterminated (Except Gerrel), but if it comes to a choice between them and the Geth, then I'm afraid the Geth win. The only reason I had to come and make this decision was because of the Quarian warmongering. They bring it on themselves.

[Shallyah]

Bioware overdid it trying to get players to sympathize with the Geth spacejunk that would wipe all organic life in the Galaxy without a second thought more than once during the ME trilogy. There is no such thing as "being forced to ally with the Reapers". That's utter bull****. They chose to ally with the Reapers knowing that'd mean they'd be on the hunt for every organic in the Galaxy. Even Legion itself attempts to murder Shepard if he denies the uploading of the Reaper code. That says it all, really.

However, there are some quarians that deserve to be killed slowly and painfully, like Han'Gerrel.

Modifié par Shallyah, 23 avril 2012 - 12:18 .

[Drummernate]

Shallyah wrote...
Even Legion itself attempts to murder Shepard if he denies the uploading of the Reaper code. That says it all, really.

However, there are some quarians that deserve to be killed slowly and painfully, like Han'Gerrel.

Holding you off the ground =/= attempting to kill.... He was only trying to temporarily disable you while uploading the code.

But yes, Gerrel must die.


Unless Legion had a bad case of butterfingers, I cannot see him dropping you off the ledge.

Modifié par Drummernate, 23 avril 2012 - 12:21 .

[136th]

The Geth stood by and did nothing as the Heretics left and joined the reapers in the war against all organic life. They made no attempt to make peace with their own creators, even before the Quarians attempt to retake their world. The Geth forfeited their sentience to the reapers in ME3; they could have exiled themselves to some other system, but instead chose to help destroy every race in the galaxy even if it meant they lose of their free will.


Hell, exiling the Quarians was just a slow genocide; the Quarians would have died out within a few generations.

[Edolix]

I am genuinly shocked by the amount of Geth support. Seriously.

[MrAtomica]

And here I thought everyone just fostered peace between the two....

[Drummernate]

Edolix wrote...

I am genuinly shocked by the amount of Geth support. Seriously.

...

You don't support the Geth?

[KingZayd]

Shallyah wrote...

Bioware overdid it trying to get players to sympathize with the Geth spacejunk that would wipe all organic life in the Galaxy without a second thought more than once during the ME trilogy. There is no such thing as "being forced to ally with the Reapers". That's utter bull****. They chose to ally with the Reapers knowing that'd mean they'd be on the hunt for every organic in the Galaxy. Even Legion itself attempts to murder Shepard if he denies the uploading of the Reaper code. That says it all, really.

However, there are some quarians that deserve to be killed slowly and painfully, like Han'Gerrel.

I'd bet that the Quarians would have done the exact same thing if the Reapers were intent on killing synthetics instead.

And why wouldn't Legion try to kill the man who is dooming his species? How is that unreasonable?

[Dendio1]

The quarians were the aggressors from the start. The geth are logically in the right. However I still have a bad taste of geth trying to kill me all game long in me1. Bioware did a good job balancing the scales. At the end of the day I was able to save both.

[Drummernate]

KingZayd wrote...

And why wouldn't Legion try to kill the man who is dooming his species? How is that unreasonable?

Exactly!!!

Wouldn't you at least b**** slap someone for saying they were going to kill your whole race?

Sorry, yes I am selfish to sacrifice 1 person for the good of many.

Even if it was Shepard.

[136th]

The geth are selfish, cowards who only care for themselves.

[136th]

Edolix wrote...

I am genuinly shocked by the amount of Geth support. Seriously.

They are trying to play the devil's advocate by siding with the geth, for them is better to be "original"
 than to be rational.

[KingZayd]

136th wrote...

Edolix wrote...

I am genuinly shocked by the amount of Geth support. Seriously.

They are trying to play the devil's advocate by siding with the geth, for them is better to be "original"
 than to be rational.

and what "Rational" basis do you have for supporting the Quarians? They just keep making stupid mistakes and starting wars they can't win.

[4stringwizard]

KingZayd wrote...

1. Both quarian-geth wars have been started by the quarians. The Quarian homeworld is also the Geth homeworld. The Geth won in in that first war the Quarians started. The Quarians still refused to accept the legitimacy of synthetic life after all this time. The game makes clear that the geth didn't have INDIVIDUAL sentience at the time. In groups they definitely were sentient.

2. That second time? The Quarians forced them to either side with the reapers or die. It's an understandable choice. If the Quarians can create reaper allies once with their stupidity, how can yu trust them not to do it again? The Quarians have displayed an inability to learn from their mistakes.

I don't think the Quarians should be exterminated (Except Gerrel), but if it comes to a choice between them and the Geth, then I'm afraid the Geth win. The only reason I had to come and make this decision was because of the Quarian warmongering. They bring it on themselves.

1.  That doesn't excuse the Geth killing off 99% of the Quarian population.  And the game makes it clear they would have exterminated the Quarians if they had been intelligent enough to make that decision.  

2.  Nothing the Quarians did justifies the Geth siding with the Reapers.  The Geth knew what the Reapers' goal was - the extermination of all major organic races.  They didn't have to side with them, but they did.  At best, it shows the Geth to be untrustworthy.  

Bioware really tried to shove the Geth sympathy down our throats.  It seems to have worked for a lot of people. 

[MisterJB]

4stringwizard wrote...
2.  Nothing the Quarians did justifies the Geth siding with the Reapers.  The Geth knew what the Reapers' goal was - the extermination of all major organic races.  They didn't have to side with them, but they did.  At best, it shows the Geth to be untrustworthy.  

Do you expect an entire species to choose to die for a galaxy that has shown nothing but hostility towards them?