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[KingZayd]

Made Nightwing wrote...

The Quarians had the right to reclaim their homeworld. It was theirs, it did not belong to the geth, no matter how 'cute' they were. When you're desperate for survival, you don't fight back and exterminate everything in sight, you run. The geth are machines, cold and unfeeling. Love, compassion, mercy and understanding unique to organic biology and psychology. No matter how advanced a machine is, it cannot mimic biological reactions such as these. I saved both of them, but I would never pick the geth over the quarians.

It was also the Geth homeworld. 

The Quarians started that war, the Geth won it. It belongs to them now.

[Averdi]

Jog0907 wrote...

The morning war was upholding council law which the quarians were bound to then, shut down all AI, quarians were hated not for attempting to kill geth but because they failed to do so, the issue of killing an entire species is raised later on (and mostly by shep), Garrus as a citadel citizen in me1 can remind you why theyre truly disliked.

The quarians cared not at all about council law (Adm Xen still doesn't), they were just scared of sentient geth.  I'm not even sure if the quarians (and geth) were located in citadel space, where citadel law is actually in effect.  The council refused to aid the quarians after the was, for created the geth, but that doesn't mean that quarian creation of the geth was illegal.  The morning war was about geth survival vs quarian control, not about upolding some law.

The second time around, this rule applies, "what Shep knows is not the same as what the general galaxy populace know", when the reapers invade it becomes clear to the majority who were the geth helping 3 years ago, most would assume correctly that the geth were aligned with the reapers so If the quarians start a war with them again it would be seen as an assault on Reapers allies by the general council races pop.

Exceptions are bringing legion to the fleet though such possibilty seems to be retconned in me3, also if Shep gives legion to cerberus the case of the geth is never know and as such the same applies the geth would be seen as still being reaper servants, that they actually become so later in the war, is important but not for the matter of saying what the general populace would think of that war.

The quarians knew, or should have known, that the geth weren't alligned with the reapers at the time that they attacked.  Their debate about the war issue in ME2 didn't involve the reapers at all, and that's before even Shepard and Tali knew about the geth as described by Legion.  I can't recall any comment about reapers in the quarians decision to go to war again with the geth in ME3, but I'd be interested is there was some.  The quarians' motivation for the war seems clear to me - they wanted their homeworld back and Xen's tech gave them the opportunity to take it.  Basically they did it because they could.

[JBPBRC]

4stringwizard wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

4stringwizard wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

4stringwizard wrote...
if the alternative is siding with a genocidal force that will also wipe out entire species, and ultimately the Geth as well, then yes.

...no.
You want them to die for their enemies? Submission IS preferable to extinction.

But they didn't have to die.  They could have at least fled. 

Flee? To where? EDI mentions this, no organic species would have accepted the geth. There was nowhere they could turn to besides the Reapers.

They could have tried harder to communicate with the Quarians beforehand and tell them they wanted peace.

Or the quarians could have attempted to communicate themselves instead of starting another war.

1.  Submission IS preferable to extinction?  That's exactly what Saren though.  You would make a great husk.  
2.  There is plenty of space in the galaxy.  The Geth also had a mobile fleet.  You can't tell me they couldn't have at least found a system to remain in temporarily until things were sorted out.  
3.  The Geth destroyed every ship that entered the veil.  Yes, even the true Geth.  The heretics sided with the Reapers and had a hand in murdering innocent lives.  The Quarians didn't exactly have a reason to trust the Geth were open to negotiation.  

2. The Geth would've had a harder time out of it than the Quarians. The Quarians are, at the very least, barely tolerated by galactic society and considered as "that guy begging on the corner". The Geth wouldn't even have that.

3. How is this different from any country who gets its territory invaded? If your nation's space is violated, its going to be defended. Its why the Council doesn't want to send ships into the Terminus Systems, they know they don't have much weight there, and more likely than not, sending ships there will erupt into violence.

2.  Then that is the Geth's fault due to their own actions, as already stated.  It was something that could have been avoided, but the Geth instead chose to remain isolated.  But not enoug to warrant their destruction, I agree.  
3.  How is "every lone ship" wondering into the territory count as an invastion?  That's absurd to even suggest the two are alike.  The Geth destroyed every ship regardless of whether it was hostile.  That doesn't scream "we're a peaceful race".  

2. The galaxy as a whole also don't like AIs. Period. I'm sure the Quarians turned the cheese up to 11 when they ran crying to the Council for help after their attempted genocide failed. The Reapers probably sounded like baby kittens compared to Quarian-inspired Geth horror stories.

3. They're perfectly alike. Peaceful =/= Stupid.

Its a violation of your nation's soverign space. Being peaceful doesn't mean you have to roll over if someone goes into your territory without permission. If you do that, you end up like that one race Javik was talking
about, the one that proclaimed that they had attaintained true peace and
promptly got conquered by their next door warlike neighbors. Imagine, as an example, that the U.S. randomly flew two F-16s over Chinese airspace with no communication to the Chinese or negotiation beforehand. Would they just let the U.S. planes do whatever they want? No! They're going to shoot them down! Vice versa if the Chinese did the same over U.S. airspace.

[justafan]

KingZayd wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

The Quarians had the right to reclaim their homeworld. It was theirs, it did not belong to the geth, no matter how 'cute' they were. When you're desperate for survival, you don't fight back and exterminate everything in sight, you run. The geth are machines, cold and unfeeling. Love, compassion, mercy and understanding unique to organic biology and psychology. No matter how advanced a machine is, it cannot mimic biological reactions such as these. I saved both of them, but I would never pick the geth over the quarians.

It was also the Geth homeworld. 

The Quarians started that war, the Geth won it. It belongs to them now.

If there was never a peace treaty, hostilities never officially ended and the planet is still up for grabs.

Modifié par justafan, 23 avril 2012 - 02:04 .

[Bad King]

The quarians have made many mistakes in their history, but I'd definitely support them over the geth. Also, its a shame we couldn't help Xen control the geth as an alternate renegade option.

[General User]

KingZayd wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

The Quarians had the right to reclaim their homeworld. It was theirs, it did not belong to the geth, no matter how 'cute' they were. When you're desperate for survival, you don't fight back and exterminate everything in sight, you run. The geth are machines, cold and unfeeling. Love, compassion, mercy and understanding unique to organic biology and psychology. No matter how advanced a machine is, it cannot mimic biological reactions such as these. I saved both of them, but I would never pick the geth over the quarians.

It was also the Geth homeworld. 

The Quarians started that war, the Geth won it. It belongs to them now.

The problem with that is the geth didn't win the Morning War.   They neither completed the extermination fo the quarian people, nor brought them to terms.  The geth achieved a state-of-affairs that was satisfactory to them and then just stopped fighting.  So no one "won" and no one "lost"; the war never ended.

[KingZayd]

4stringwizard wrote...

KingZayd wrote...
1. The majority Quarian admiral vote was in favour of this war. The whole fleet went to the war. The Geth consensus is merely a true democracy. Instead of just admirals voting, every Geth votes on every decision. Again, the Geth majority voted in favour of siding with the Reapers. We do not know by how much. Both sides are equally worthy of destruction by these principles. Han Gerrel's betrayal makes it personal, but I didn't factor that into my decision.

2. They committed near genocide when protecting themselves from genocide. Geth slightly win/draw
Both sides commit genocide if you side with them = draw
Neither side reached out to make peace with the other = draw
The Geth were prepared to fight the reapers before the Quarians started this stupid war. Unlike the other races, I didn't have to ask them first. The Quarians prepared to fight the Geth, not the Reapers. = Geth win
The Geth had no friends in the galaxy apart from me, and that was only Legion. They could not expect any help, nor would they have received it. = no penalty
Some of those Geth we're dealing with did ally with the reapers, and i rewrote them. They are not the same geth. For those who destroyed them well... they're not the same Geth = no penalty

Geth win.

1.  They wanted to retake their homeworld.  I would have done the same thing.  And Quarians with a homeworld would have been better allies than as the wondering fleet, barely scraping by.  So they were still helping out Shepard, just indirectly.  

2.  So it's a numbers game to you now?  Whoever has the most points wins?  

And the Quarians obviously were willing to help Shepard.  That's clear from the start.  But they were taking the actions necessary to put themselves to be in the best service to the war.  As far as the Geth you rewrote - they STILL allied with the Reapers.  In a sense, they betrayed Shepard.  Geth don't win in that case.    And if you really do try to damn the Quarians for wanting to retake their world, you might as well also do the same to Wrex and the Krogan for trying to cure the genophage first.  But I doubt you would. 

1) It's the Geth homeworld too. The Quarians started that war too. They lost it. It belongs to the Geth now. 

2) How else to do it. If i said I just prefer the geth, you wouldn't like that answer
Obviously they had other priorities. They were going to waste resources (and indeed did, on both sides) that i wanted for my war against the reapers.
The Geth who sided with the reapers..  I rewrote them. Those personalities don't exist anymore, . It's like saying that EDI should pay for caving Ashley's head in (and by pay, i mean be rewarded.. i hate Ashley.. and by be rewarded i guess i mean pay for not finishing the damn job)

Wrex didn't start a war to get the genophage cured. Again, why should he fight for the benefit of the races that doomed his, and refuse to fix the damage? Wrex is justified, and is smart to use this rare opportunity to save his race. Wrex is a damn hero. It's a fair trade really. The Krogan will help save the Turians and the other races if they will save his.

[4stringwizard]

JBPBRC wrote...


Its a violation of your nation's soverign space. Being peaceful doesn't mean you have to roll over if someone goes into your territory without permission. If you do that, you end up like that one race Javik was talking
about, the one that proclaimed that they had attaintained true peace and
promptly got conquered by their next door warlike neighbors. Imagine, as an example, that the U.S. randomly flew two F-16s over Chinese airspace with no communication to the Chinese or negotiation beforehand. Would they just let the U.S. planes do whatever they want? No! They're going to shoot them down! Vice versa if the Chinese did the same over U.S. airspace.

Then to go by that example, if the Chinese shot down a civilian airliner that accidently wandered into their air space, without even communicating first, then I'd say the Chinese were huge ****s and shouldn't be trusted.  And probably deserve to be retaliated against.  The same logic applies to the Geth. 

[justafan]

Averdi wrote...

Jog0907 wrote...

The morning war was upholding council law which the quarians were bound to then, shut down all AI, quarians were hated not for attempting to kill geth but because they failed to do so, the issue of killing an entire species is raised later on (and mostly by shep), Garrus as a citadel citizen in me1 can remind you why theyre truly disliked.

The quarians cared not at all about council law (Adm Xen still doesn't), they were just scared of sentient geth.  I'm not even sure if the quarians (and geth) were located in citadel space, where citadel law is actually in effect.  The council refused to aid the quarians after the was, for created the geth, but that doesn't mean that quarian creation of the geth was illegal.  The morning war was about geth survival vs quarian control, not about upolding some law.

The second time around, this rule applies, "what Shep knows is not the same as what the general galaxy populace know", when the reapers invade it becomes clear to the majority who were the geth helping 3 years ago, most would assume correctly that the geth were aligned with the reapers so If the quarians start a war with them again it would be seen as an assault on Reapers allies by the general council races pop.

Exceptions are bringing legion to the fleet though such possibilty seems to be retconned in me3, also if Shep gives legion to cerberus the case of the geth is never know and as such the same applies the geth would be seen as still being reaper servants, that they actually become so later in the war, is important but not for the matter of saying what the general populace would think of that war.

The quarians knew, or should have known, that the geth weren't alligned with the reapers at the time that they attacked.  Their debate about the war issue in ME2 didn't involve the reapers at all, and that's before even Shepard and Tali knew about the geth as described by Legion.  I can't recall any comment about reapers in the quarians decision to go to war again with the geth in ME3, but I'd be interested is there was some.  The quarians' motivation for the war seems clear to me - they wanted their homeworld back and Xen's tech gave them the opportunity to take it.  Basically they did it because they could.

Wrong, the Quarians were members of the Citadel, they had an official embassy and as such all planets aligned with the Quarian government were subject to Council laws regarding AI.  It is also mentioned that even before the Morning War, AI was illegal, that much is stated in game, as such the Quarians were acting under council law when they tried to prevent the geth from becoming AI.  (This is the same law that requires you kill EDI on Luna).

The reapers were indeed mentioned on the Flotilla.  When you tell Gerrel (of all people) you will need the Migrant Fleet to fight the Reapers (and the reapers are mentioned by name) he is the ONLY non-human politician that does not dismiss your claim but instead says something along the line that "then we will need a homeworld to shelter our civilians".

[KingZayd]

justafan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

The Quarians had the right to reclaim their homeworld. It was theirs, it did not belong to the geth, no matter how 'cute' they were. When you're desperate for survival, you don't fight back and exterminate everything in sight, you run. The geth are machines, cold and unfeeling. Love, compassion, mercy and understanding unique to organic biology and psychology. No matter how advanced a machine is, it cannot mimic biological reactions such as these. I saved both of them, but I would never pick the geth over the quarians.

It was also the Geth homeworld. 

The Quarians started that war, the Geth won it. It belongs to them now.

If was never a peace treaty, hostilities never officially ended and the planet is still up for grabs.

So basically the Geth SHOULD have killed off all the Quarians.. or at least forced them to sign the treaty?

Whatever, since hostilities never officially ended, then there's no reason for me not to pick the Geth, since this is now still the Morning War, and this was is entirely the fault of the Quarians.

[Averdi]

justafan wrote...

However, Legion's mission was never to seek peace with the Quarians, his mission was to learn about Shepard and later end a geth civil war, so even then we can't count him as an envoy of peace.  Also, Shepard is a Spectre and war hero, yet the council doesn't believe him about the Reapers in both ME1 and ME2.  You can hardly blame the Quarians for being skeptical of a girl 2 years off her pilgrimage making claims about their arch nemesis she learned aboard a terrorist vessel, all without evidence.  I never said it was entirely the geth's fault, I am a firm believer that both sides are more or less equally at fault for the current war, which is why both deserve peace.

I'll concede that the geth were generally isolationist and didn't go the extra mile to try an achieve peace with the quarians.  But I dispute the idea that such a lack raises their level of culpability to that of the quarians.  I see geth fault (if one can call it that) as far, far less that of their creators.

Quarian or galactic scepticism about Tali's and Shepard's claims on geth foreign policy are not the geth's fault.  It might be foolish of the quarians to take Tali and Shepard at their word (though I think their assistance to the fleet in ME2 should win them some credibility points), but the quarians decided to go in shooting rather then even entertain the possibility that they were correct.  Gerrel keeps doing it right until the end.  Reaper invasion aside, no one in the galactic community thought that such a move was morally unwise.

No organic race has ever demonstrated a concern for geth rights or interests, yet geth are seemingly criticized for not doing more than everyone else in the goodwill department.  You can say that the geth were perhaps unwise in their isolationist policy, until Shepard demostrated some organic goodwill, but that doesn't make them morally guilty of the war or its effect.

[4stringwizard]

KingZayd wrote...

Wrex didn't start a war to get the genophage cured. Again, why should he fight for the benefit of the races that doomed his, and refuse to fix the damage? Wrex is justified, and is smart to use this rare opportunity to save his race. Wrex is a damn hero. It's a fair trade really. The Krogan will help save the Turians and the other races if they will save his.

He should fight because the Reapers are out to get his race too.  The big picture is what matters (the fact that you can't grasp that is a little disturbing).  It doesn't matter who started what war.  He still, by your logic, was wrong for not taking on the Reaper with Shepard first.  But the same logic can also apply to the Quarians.  They get back their home world, they become stronger allies, and they help out in the fight.  Everybody wins.  

[JBPBRC]

I don't want to delve too much into the "what ifs" since they could devolve to any number of ways. For instance: What if it really WASN'T a civilian craft, or it had a nuclear device hidden on it? ZOMG PLOT TWIST. CONSPIRACY.

We don't know if those craft were civilian or not. Just that "any ship" crossing was destroyed. Is it possible a civilian craft was hit? Definitely. Is it just as possible that the ships weren't civilian and ranged from Salarian STG and Asari Commandos to Turian warships? Absolutely.

In the end, all the Geth wanted to do was build their giant collective supercomputer thing. You know, aside from trying to stay alive when your crazy creators come a-knockin' on your door trying to kill you.

[KingZayd]

General User wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

The Quarians had the right to reclaim their homeworld. It was theirs, it did not belong to the geth, no matter how 'cute' they were. When you're desperate for survival, you don't fight back and exterminate everything in sight, you run. The geth are machines, cold and unfeeling. Love, compassion, mercy and understanding unique to organic biology and psychology. No matter how advanced a machine is, it cannot mimic biological reactions such as these. I saved both of them, but I would never pick the geth over the quarians.

It was also the Geth homeworld. 

The Quarians started that war, the Geth won it. It belongs to them now.

The problem with that is the geth didn't win the Morning War.   They neither completed the extermination fo the quarian people, nor brought them to terms.  The geth achieved a state-of-affairs that was satisfactory to them and then just stopped fighting.  So no one "won" and no one "lost"; the war never ended.

The Quarians retreated. The Geth won. Just because nobody made it official doesn't mean they didn't. 
Are you saying that the Geth SHOULD have killed off all the Quarians then? or at least forced them to come to terms? your ethics are.. interesting.

But yeah in that case this is still the Morning War, which is entirely the fault of the Quarians. This makes supporting the Geth even easier.

[General User]

KingZayd wrote...

justafan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

The Quarians had the right to reclaim their homeworld. It was theirs, it did not belong to the geth, no matter how 'cute' they were. When you're desperate for survival, you don't fight back and exterminate everything in sight, you run. The geth are machines, cold and unfeeling. Love, compassion, mercy and understanding unique to organic biology and psychology. No matter how advanced a machine is, it cannot mimic biological reactions such as these. I saved both of them, but I would never pick the geth over the quarians.

It was also the Geth homeworld. 

The Quarians started that war, the Geth won it. It belongs to them now.

If was never a peace treaty, hostilities never officially ended and the planet is still up for grabs.

So basically the Geth SHOULD have killed off all the Quarians.. or at least forced them to sign the treaty?

Whatever, since hostilities never officially ended, then there's no reason for me not to pick the Geth, since this is now still the Morning War, and this was is entirely the fault of the Quarians.

Or you could force them both to sign that treaty.  You know the "peaceful resolution" path.

[Jog0907]

Averdi wrote...

The quarians knew, or should have known, that the geth weren't alligned with the reapers at the time that they attacked.  Their debate about the war issue in ME2 didn't involve the reapers at all, and that's before even Shepard and Tali knew about the geth as described by Legion.  I can't recall any comment about reapers in the quarians decision to go to war again with the geth in ME3, but I'd be interested is there was some.  The quarians' motivation for the war seems clear to me - they wanted their homeworld back and Xen's tech gave them the opportunity to take it.  Basically they did it because they could.

The quarians motivations are of course known, retake the homeworld, Im refering to how the general populace from other species would see the war, especially those involved in the battle of the citadel in me1 and the answer is that they would see it as an attack on reapers allies.

Im not talking how quarians see it, im talking how other species see it.

[General User]

KingZayd wrote...
The Quarians retreated. The Geth won. Just because nobody made it official doesn't mean they didn't.

From the quarians perspective there was never any end, official or otherwise.

Are you saying that the Geth SHOULD have killed off all the Quarians then? or at least forced them to come to terms? your ethics are.. interesting.

No, yes, and aren't they all.  In that order.

But yeah in that case this is still the Morning War, which is entirely the fault of the Quarians. This makes supporting the Geth even easier.

If you're looking to jump in on someone else's fight and are willing to ignore three centureis of subsequent history, sure.

Modifié par General User, 23 avril 2012 - 02:15 .

[KingZayd]

4stringwizard wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Wrex didn't start a war to get the genophage cured. Again, why should he fight for the benefit of the races that doomed his, and refuse to fix the damage? Wrex is justified, and is smart to use this rare opportunity to save his race. Wrex is a damn hero. It's a fair trade really. The Krogan will help save the Turians and the other races if they will save his.

He should fight because the Reapers are out to get his race too.  The big picture is what matters (the fact that you can't grasp that is a little disturbing).  It doesn't matter who started what war.  He still, by your logic, was wrong for not taking on the Reaper with Shepard first.  But the same logic can also apply to the Quarians.  They get back their home world, they become stronger allies, and they help out in the fight.  Everybody wins.  

Doesn't matter, his race is doomed anyway without the genophage cure. A bit easy to say when your race has a hope of survival. Wrex has been around for a long time. When  is he ever gonna get another chance to save his people? and no, if you're not going to help then that's fine. If you're going to start a pointless war and kill people that's another thing entirely. The Quarians started a pointless war, causing a loss of resources on their side and the Geth's, meaning i have 2 sets of allies who are weaker in the very best scenario where there is peace. The Quarian stupidity can have higher cost if peace is unobtainable. Nobody wins from the Quarian's stupid war, and i won't let them.

[Jog0907]

JBPBRC wrote...

I don't want to delve too much into the "what ifs" since they could devolve to any number of ways. For instance: What if it really WASN'T a civilian craft, or it had a nuclear device hidden on it? ZOMG PLOT TWIST. CONSPIRACY.

We don't know if those craft were civilian or not. Just that "any ship" crossing was destroyed. Is it possible a civilian craft was hit? Definitely. Is it just as possible that the ships weren't civilian and ranged from Salarian STG and Asari Commandos to Turian warships? Absolutely.

In the end, all the Geth wanted to do was build their giant collective supercomputer thing. You know, aside from trying to stay alive when your crazy creators come a-knockin' on your door trying to kill you.

while letting their only contact with other species be in the form of the organic hostile heretic geth which will of course make other species want to eliminate you since they dont know abouth the geth schism, and come to see from the info they have available that geth are hostile.

[Averdi]

justafan wrote...

Wrong, the Quarians were members of the Citadel, they had an official embassy and as such all planets aligned with the Quarian government were subject to Council laws regarding AI.  It is also mentioned that even before the Morning War, AI was illegal, that much is stated in game, as such the Quarians were acting under council law when they tried to prevent the geth from becoming AI.  (This is the same law that requires you kill EDI on Luna).

The quarians had an embassy on the citadel and interacted in citadel politics.  Council laws are, legally, in force only in council space, which I don't know whether it includes Rannoch given just how far out it is.  The quarian gov't wasn't legally "subject" to council law any more than the Alliance was subject to it in ME1 - it's just stupid for small fish to ignore what the big fish wants.  AI was against council law, which made it a legal prohibition in council space, and the smart thing to do outside council space.

The reapers were indeed mentioned on the Flotilla.  When you tell Gerrel (of all people) you will need the Migrant Fleet to fight the Reapers (and the reapers are mentioned by name) he is the ONLY non-human politician that does not dismiss your claim but instead says something along the line that "then we will need a homeworld to shelter our civilians".

Sorry, as per the assertion I was responding to, I meant mentions of a geth-reaper connection - that the geth are fair game because they could be working with/for the reapers.  This was to divine the quarians' motivation for reopening hostilities.  I think it was just because they wanted their homeworld and finally had the tech to get it, not that attacking the geth was some type of indirect attack on the reapers.

[KingZayd]

General User wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

justafan wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

The Quarians had the right to reclaim their homeworld. It was theirs, it did not belong to the geth, no matter how 'cute' they were. When you're desperate for survival, you don't fight back and exterminate everything in sight, you run. The geth are machines, cold and unfeeling. Love, compassion, mercy and understanding unique to organic biology and psychology. No matter how advanced a machine is, it cannot mimic biological reactions such as these. I saved both of them, but I would never pick the geth over the quarians.

It was also the Geth homeworld. 

The Quarians started that war, the Geth won it. It belongs to them now.

If was never a peace treaty, hostilities never officially ended and the planet is still up for grabs.

So basically the Geth SHOULD have killed off all the Quarians.. or at least forced them to sign the treaty?

Whatever, since hostilities never officially ended, then there's no reason for me not to pick the Geth, since this is now still the Morning War, and this was is entirely the fault of the Quarians.

Or you could force them both to sign that treaty.  You know the "peaceful resolution" path.

I did. But if that wasn't possible, i would choose to side with the Geth.

[4stringwizard]

KingZayd wrote...

4stringwizard wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Wrex didn't start a war to get the genophage cured. Again, why should he fight for the benefit of the races that doomed his, and refuse to fix the damage? Wrex is justified, and is smart to use this rare opportunity to save his race. Wrex is a damn hero. It's a fair trade really. The Krogan will help save the Turians and the other races if they will save his.

He should fight because the Reapers are out to get his race too.  The big picture is what matters (the fact that you can't grasp that is a little disturbing).  It doesn't matter who started what war.  He still, by your logic, was wrong for not taking on the Reaper with Shepard first.  But the same logic can also apply to the Quarians.  They get back their home world, they become stronger allies, and they help out in the fight.  Everybody wins.  

Doesn't matter, his race is doomed anyway without the genophage cure. A bit easy to say when your race has a hope of survival. Wrex has been around for a long time. When  is he ever gonna get another chance to save his people? and no, if you're not going to help then that's fine. If you're going to start a pointless war and kill people that's another thing entirely. The Quarians started a pointless war, causing a loss of resources on their side and the Geth's, meaning i have 2 sets of allies who are weaker in the very best scenario where there is peace. The Quarian stupidity can have higher cost if peace is unobtainable. Nobody wins from the Quarian's stupid war, and i won't let them.

You won't let them.  You'd rather side with a race that also commits genocide AND sides with the enemy multiple times.  

Oh, and again, it wasn't pointless.  Taking back the homeworld would have made the Quarians more reliable allies, as I already said.  I see reading comprehension isn't your strong point.  

[4stringwizard]

I must say I'm surprised this topic made a comeback.

It's the NIGHT OF THE LIVING THREAD!!!

Modifié par 4stringwizard, 23 avril 2012 - 02:18 .

[KingZayd]

General User wrote...

KingZayd wrote...
The Quarians retreated. The Geth won. Just because nobody made it official doesn't mean they didn't.

From the quarians perspective there was never any end, official or otherwise.

Are you saying that the Geth SHOULD have killed off all the Quarians then? or at least forced them to come to terms? your ethics are.. interesting.

No, yes, and aren't they all.  In that order.

But yeah in that case this is still the Morning War, which is entirely the fault of the Quarians. This makes supporting the Geth even easier.

If you're looking to jump in on someone else's fight and are willing to ignore three centureis of subsequent history, sure.

LOL i'm just imagining the Geth chasing down the Quarians accross the galaxy and telling them "STOP! Sign this damn treaty!

I haven't seen the Quarian attitudes change.