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[Edolix]

Drummernate wrote...

Edolix wrote...

I am genuinly shocked by the amount of Geth support. Seriously.

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You don't support the Geth?

If I had to choose between the two, it would be the Quarians everytime. Perhaps if YOU actually thought about the consequences of allying with the Geth in the long run, you might not be so shortsighted.

This is largerly irrelevant though. If can't get peace you're clearly doing it wrong.

[Erield]

Jog0907 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Unindoctrinated Qurians try to blow me up, unindoctrinated Geth are helpful.

Seems like an obvious choice.

geth willingly allowed the reapers to indoctrinate them, despite knowing they would lose their free will.

I have great sympathy for the Geth.  I have great sympathy for the Quarians.  If I were unable to make peace between the two of them, I would choose the Quarians because in ME3 they made their wrong-headed, foolish decisions for the right reason.  The Geth made their wrong-headed, foolish decision for the wrong reason.

Here's what I mean: the Quarians were facing extinction.  There's several billion humans across a dozen or more worlds; there's 17 million Quarians, all in one place, and all on ship.  We've all seen how fast a Reaper annihilates ships.  The only planet where they have a good shot of being able to re-adapt is Rannoch.  Further, they had developed a tech that should have let them retake the planet without significant problems.  Launching their entire race into the attack was foolish, short-sighted, wrong-headed, and just plain depressingly wrong.  They did it in the name of survival of their species though, because they really had no other option.

The Geth were faced with the Quarians being able to exterminate them.  They chose willing slavery, the sacrifice of all that they are, in the name of survival.  They sacrificed their soul in order to save their body's existence.  They essentially volunteered to become, as an entire race, the new Collectors--minus the organic bits.

When choosing which species to eliminate, and commit genocide against, I'll pick the one that is fighting for self-determination every time.

[136th]

Erield wrote...

Jog0907 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Unindoctrinated Qurians try to blow me up, unindoctrinated Geth are helpful.

Seems like an obvious choice.

geth willingly allowed the reapers to indoctrinate them, despite knowing they would lose their free will.

I have great sympathy for the Geth.  I have great sympathy for the Quarians.  If I were unable to make peace between the two of them, I would choose the Quarians because in ME3 they made their wrong-headed, foolish decisions for the right reason.  The Geth made their wrong-headed, foolish decision for the wrong reason.

Here's what I mean: the Quarians were facing extinction.  There's several billion humans across a dozen or more worlds; there's 17 million Quarians, all in one place, and all on ship.  We've all seen how fast a Reaper annihilates ships.  The only planet where they have a good shot of being able to re-adapt is Rannoch.  Further, they had developed a tech that should have let them retake the planet without significant problems.  Launching their entire race into the attack was foolish, short-sighted, wrong-headed, and just plain depressingly wrong.  They did it in the name of survival of their species though, because they really had no other option.

The Geth were faced with the Quarians being able to exterminate them.  They chose willing slavery, the sacrifice of all that they are, in the name of survival.  They sacrificed their soul in order to save their body's existence.  They essentially volunteered to become, as an entire race, the new Collectors--minus the organic bits.

When choosing which species to eliminate, and commit genocide against, I'll pick the one that is fighting for self-determination every time.

I agree, despite all the speech Legion gave you in ME2, about how the geth believe in self-determination. Their choices and action ME3 have proven that the geth will choose self-preservation over self determination every-time. Facing with extinction, instead of dying as themselves, free and defiant to the end, the geth choose to live as brain washed slaves, sacrificing their dreams, culture and offering their Minds and Souls to the reapers to save themselves.
Legion himself said that to live as brainwashed slave is obliviously a better option.
How can we trust a species that only care about their own skin, especially in a losing war?

[dublin omega 223]

OP had a good point, I don't get why most people seem to prefer the Geth over the Quarians, after all they killed billions of Quarians and it led to them being treated like 3rd class citizens by the Fascist Citadel Council. Also the Geth are merely blinking lights and dials. While the Quarians are organic beings.

Modifié par dublin omega 223, 16 mai 2012 - 02:16 .

[HellbirdIV]

The quarians are stupid dipsh*ts who brought genocide on themselves not once, but twice. Darwin's space-ghost won't be happy if I let them survive.

No, seriously. F*** those guys. If the Admirals are the only quarian leaders who wanted to go to war with the geth, how come no individual Captains (who ALWAYS have FINAL SAY in what their ships do, regardless of what the Admirals say the Fleet should do) chose not to go to war with the geth during the Reaper War? No, to me, it seems the majority of quarians are just straight up guilty here.

It sucks, but there it is. If I have to choose, I choose the people who never attempted genocide just because they had the option.

[dublin omega 223]

HellbirdIV wrote...

The quarians are stupid dipsh*ts who brought genocide on themselves not once, but twice. Darwin's space-ghost won't be happy if I let them survive.

No, seriously. F*** those guys. If the Admirals are the only quarian leaders who wanted to go to war with the geth, how come no individual Captains (who ALWAYS have FINAL SAY in what their ships do, regardless of what the Admirals say the Fleet should do) chose not to go to war with the geth during the Reaper War? No, to me, it seems the majority of quarians are just straight up guilty here.

It sucks, but there it is. If I have to choose, I choose the people who never attempted genocide just because they had the option.

I wouldnt kill off the Quarians as there are innocent people in the fleet, nothing would justify the slaughter of the innocent. The Geth however are far from innocent, they worked with the Repaers twice and killed billions of Quarians.

[Arlionis]

Because the Quarians are not only stubborn, they're xenophobic and jingoistic as no other race in the galaxy (and that includes Space North Korea, AKA Batarians). The memories we see during the consensus mission in ME3 with the Quarians going house through house finding and executing Geth reminded me of the Gestapo during WW2. They're a disgusting species.

[dublin omega 223]

Arlionis wrote...

Because the Quarians are not only stubborn, they're xenophobic and jingoistic as no other race in the galaxy (and that includes Space North Korea, AKA Batarians). The memories we see during the consensus mission in ME3 with the Quarians going house through house finding and executing Geth reminded me of the Gestapo during WW2. They're a disgusting species.

Interesting point of view, I always felt the way the Council treated the Quarians was similar to the racism in America before the civil rights movement.

[justafan]

Arlionis wrote...

Because the Quarians are not only stubborn, they're xenophobic and jingoistic as no other race in the galaxy (and that includes Space North Korea, AKA Batarians). The memories we see during the consensus mission in ME3 with the Quarians going house through house finding and executing Geth reminded me of the Gestapo during WW2. They're a disgusting species.

Ok, so let me get this straight, they are more xenophobic than the race that shoots any trespassers on sight?  They are more jingoistic than the species that claims their economy and military rivals all the council races?  They are more racist than the species that would call a dying Quarian a "suit rat"?  And they all deserve death because of what some frightened people did 300 years ago in a video shown to you by the aggrieved party that has a clear interest in garnering sympathy from you.

The only thing the Quarians are guilty of is wanting their homeworld back from a species that to anyones (minus all of 30 people on a terrorist vessel) knowledge is hostile ot all organic life.

[JesseLee202]

justafan wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

Because the Quarians are not only stubborn, they're xenophobic and jingoistic as no other race in the galaxy (and that includes Space North Korea, AKA Batarians). The memories we see during the consensus mission in ME3 with the Quarians going house through house finding and executing Geth reminded me of the Gestapo during WW2. They're a disgusting species.

Ok, so let me get this straight, they are more xenophobic than the race that shoots any trespassers on sight?  They are more jingoistic than the species that claims their economy and military rivals all the council races?  They are more racist than the species that would call a dying Quarian a "suit rat"?  And they all deserve death because of what some frightened people did 300 years ago in a video shown to you by the aggrieved party that has a clear interest in garnering sympathy from you.

The only thing the Quarians are guilty of is wanting their homeworld back from a species that to anyones (minus all of 30 people on a terrorist vessel) knowledge is hostile ot all organic life.

Agreed

[dublin omega 223]

JesseLee202 wrote...

justafan wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

Because the Quarians are not only stubborn, they're xenophobic and jingoistic as no other race in the galaxy (and that includes Space North Korea, AKA Batarians). The memories we see during the consensus mission in ME3 with the Quarians going house through house finding and executing Geth reminded me of the Gestapo during WW2. They're a disgusting species.

Ok, so let me get this straight, they are more xenophobic than the race that shoots any trespassers on sight?  They are more jingoistic than the species that claims their economy and military rivals all the council races?  They are more racist than the species that would call a dying Quarian a "suit rat"?  And they all deserve death because of what some frightened people did 300 years ago in a video shown to you by the aggrieved party that has a clear interest in garnering sympathy from you.

The only thing the Quarians are guilty of is wanting their homeworld back from a species that to anyones (minus all of 30 people on a terrorist vessel) knowledge is hostile ot all organic life.

Agreed

100% in complete agreement.

[Arlionis]

justafan wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

Because the Quarians are not only stubborn, they're xenophobic and jingoistic as no other race in the galaxy (and that includes Space North Korea, AKA Batarians). The memories we see during the consensus mission in ME3 with the Quarians going house through house finding and executing Geth reminded me of the Gestapo during WW2. They're a disgusting species.

Ok, so let me get this straight, they are more xenophobic than the race that shoots any trespassers on sight?
 

 

They do, the only reason why they didn't open fire on the Normandy during ME2 was becase you brought a Quarian with you. In fact the goal of the Scout Fleet is to destroy any treaspaser on sight. 

 
They are more jingoistic than the species that claims their economy and military rivals all the council races?

 

Because they're powerless now, but that's preciselly Xen's wetdream, control the Geth and use them to create an empire. And considering how warmongering and jingoistic their admirals are, you can easily see that happening the very moment they have some actual power. 

 
They are more racist than the species that would call a dying Quarian a "suit rat"?  

 

Instead of calling names they just try to exterminate what they don't like. 

 
And they all deserve death because of what some frightened people did 300 years ago in a video shown to you by the aggrieved party that has a clear interest in garnering sympathy from you.

 

The only reason why they can even be exterminated in ME3 is because of their very own reckless stupidity. Nobody told them to wage a war against the Geth (yet again) and bring their civilian ships with them, to a war, against a superior enemy, rellying as tehir only safety only on a LADAR spamming exploit that the Geth eventually found a way around... Vorcha are smarter than them. 

 
The only thing the Quarians are guilty of is wanting their homeworld back from a species that to anyones (minus all of 30 people on a terrorist vessel) knowledge is hostile ot all organic life.

 

Yeah, that and aggravated attempt of genocide against a self-aware emergent species.

Modifié par Arlionis, 16 mai 2012 - 02:51 .

[Ned Starks Head]

I say less genocide and more peace yo!

Now lets boogie! Do the bender, do the bender!

[Pottumuusi]

Arlionis wrote...

Because the Quarians are not only stubborn, they're xenophobic and jingoistic as no other race in the galaxy (and that includes Space North Korea, AKA Batarians). The memories we see during the consensus mission in ME3 with the Quarians going house through house finding and executing Geth reminded me of the Gestapo during WW2. They're a disgusting species.

Which is why we killed ALL the germans after WW2?

[JesseLee202]

Arlionis wrote...

justafan wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

Because the Quarians are not only stubborn, they're xenophobic and jingoistic as no other race in the galaxy (and that includes Space North Korea, AKA Batarians). The memories we see during the consensus mission in ME3 with the Quarians going house through house finding and executing Geth reminded me of the Gestapo during WW2. They're a disgusting species.

Ok, so let me get this straight, they are more xenophobic than the race that shoots any trespassers on sight?
 

 

They do, the only reason why they didn't open fire on the Normandy during ME2 was becase you brought a Quarian with you. In fact the goal of the Scout Fleet is to destroy any treaspaser on sight. 

lol, maybe because the ship was... gee idk, CERBERUS! A group that tried to sabatoge and kill them before. How dare the Quarians try to defend what home they have left. <_<

[ubermensch007]

4stringwizard wrote...

My apologies beforehand for the long post...

It feels like most people, if forced to choose, decided to wipe out the Quarians rather than the Geth during the Rannoch.  Which is fine and dandy by me cause it's your choice, but it's not as if it's done cause it's paragon/renegade.  The main reason given by most people seems to be:

1.  The Quarians are genocidal maniacs and had it coming.
2.  The Geth are just innocent victims in all this.  

Really?  Although I'm not very surprised since Bioware tried their darnest to paint the Geth as helpless victims in ME3, I still don't understand the amount of bias towards the Geth in this case.  First off,

1.  The Quarians weren't "genocidal maniacs".  They tried to reclaim their home world.  For crying out loud people, wouldn't you have done the same thing?  Beside, not all Quarians supported the war or the first "Morning War."  And they were attacing machines.  I repeat, MACHINES.  Whether the Geth were alive/sentient at the end is moot, but the game makes it clear that the Geth didn't achieve sentience until after they got the Reaper upgrades.  Even if they were alive/sentient, the Quarians wouldn't have known this.  For all they knew at the time, the Geth were just machines still.  Speaking of Reapers...

2.  The Geth weren't "innocent" in all this.  They sided with the Reapers not once, but TWICE over the course of the trilogy.  Yeah, the first ones to side were the "heretics", but even still, they were once true Geth.  if they could turn, why couldn't the true Geth?  At best, this shows the Geth to be untrustworthy.  As far as ME3, even if the Geth were desparate, they sided with the Reapers knowing full well what their intentions were.  Nobody is even bothered by this?  Again, this shows the Geth to be untrustworthy.  What would have stopped them from waging war against organics later to better themselves?

3.  Another pro-Geth argument I've heard is that the Geth were peaceful and let the Quarians live during the first war, when they had to chance to pursue them or wipe them out.  Well, Legion himself says the ONLY reason the Geth didn't wipe out the Quarians was because they weren't smart enough to make that decision at the time.  Even during the game, Legion basically admits to Shepard that the Geth aren't any better than organics.  (This occurs after Shepard finds out that Legion had his something from him.)  The Geth wouldn't have been more useful.  The Quarians had the largest fleet in the galaxy and the Geth were weakened if they had been destroyed rather than re-written.  

So again, I don't understand the sheer amount of bias toward the Geth in this case.  If you ask me, they were no better allies than the Quarians (maybe worse given the circumstances).  Thoughts?  

To piggy back on what you already said -- I would add that the quarians in many ways managed to pull off one of the greatest upsets in the history of warfare. What they did was more shocking than Buster Douglas defeating Mike Tyson! They may say that "All is fair in Love & War." but had the Reapers not intervened on behalf of the geth.The quarians would have wiped the geth off the galactic map and reclaimed thier homeworld. Without any allies backing them. And having no where near the martial strentgh that their ancestors once had during the Morning War.

Unfortunately in my second playthrough, I had to chose one over the other.And I mistakingly assumed that because of the Reaper Code Upgrades that the geth now have, that the geth were now more of an asset to me. The Battle of Rannoch and my EMS Score -- told a different story.

On most of my ME 2 Save Imports I destroyed the geth "heretics' instead of rewrite. So whenever I can't save them both. The quarians are saved.Even though they in a sense -- betrayed Shepard. I'm not talking about when they opened fire on the Geth flagship.Admiral Han Gerral forced their hand in that instance. I'm talking about how they got confirmation that what Shepard said about an imminent galactic invasion was true. And instead of coming to his aid.They went to war with the geth. As if, even if they were successful.They would have been able to defend Rannoch from the Reapers on their own.

But one thing that really bothers me when you talk to EDI, (if you save the quarians instead of the geth) my Shepard wanted to say this to her:

"EDI. The geth are just machines.Software.Math. Is math alive? If the quarians wanted to they could recreate the geth by tomorrow morning. However -- an organic race, that goes extinct. Cannot be remade so easily.If ever at all. Ask the Rachni..."

Modifié par ubermensch007, 16 mai 2012 - 03:00 .

[Arlionis]

Pottumuusi wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

Because the Quarians are not only stubborn, they're xenophobic and jingoistic as no other race in the galaxy (and that includes Space North Korea, AKA Batarians). The memories we see during the consensus mission in ME3 with the Quarians going house through house finding and executing Geth reminded me of the Gestapo during WW2. They're a disgusting species.

Which is why we killed ALL the germans after WW2?

But you're missing the point, nobody went with a gun killing Quarians, the Quarians killed themselves because of their own stupidity (back in Rannoch) and once again 300 years later if you can't chose the peace option, it's just a decision between the victims and the aggressors. 

[garrusfan1]

fr33stylez wrote...

While I found the Quarians (except Tali and a few others) very annoying, justifying the Geth turning to the Reapers out of 'desperation' is ridiculous.

How many people would be fine if the Krogan turned to the Reapers for help to fight the Salarians? Hell, isn't this what Wrex essentially proposed on Vimire in ME1?

Legion of all people knew the Reapers capabilities. How could he possibly agree? It's like Shepard agreeing with Saren/Synthesis.

As the OP said, the Geth already converted to the Heretics before. And in ME3, they showed that if backed in a corner, they would sign with the most evil entity in the universe. Not really trustworthy to me.

no wrex did not and the geth only joined the reapers out of desperation and if you talked to legion he tells you that sphere thing they were building and their program things actually died alot of them which made the geth less inteliigent legion said imagine if for every person lost on earth your own intelligence dimmed and legion wanted peace with the quarians as did all geth he says this in me2 but I do agree that alot of people like the geth better than quarians which is kinda strange exept that the only quarians we really talk to is the admirals and gerrel and xen are just insane and ruthless and admiral rann just gets walked all over and ironically I hated koris in me2 but in me3 he is my favorite admiral not gonna count tali in this since she is a squademate

[Arlionis]

JesseLee202 wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

justafan wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

Because the Quarians are not only stubborn, they're xenophobic and jingoistic as no other race in the galaxy (and that includes Space North Korea, AKA Batarians). The memories we see during the consensus mission in ME3 with the Quarians going house through house finding and executing Geth reminded me of the Gestapo during WW2. They're a disgusting species.

Ok, so let me get this straight, they are more xenophobic than the race that shoots any trespassers on sight?
 

 

They do, the only reason why they didn't open fire on the Normandy during ME2 was becase you brought a Quarian with you. In fact the goal of the Scout Fleet is to destroy any treaspaser on sight. 

lol, maybe because the ship was... gee idk, CERBERUS! A group that tried to sabatoge and kill them before. How dare the Quarians try to defend what home they have left. <_<

Read the codex, if there isn't a Quarian spouting that ridiculous "secret phrase" (welcome to the Middle Ages!) the Scout Fleet opens fire. 

[Pottumuusi]

Arlionis wrote...

But you're missing the point, nobody went with a gun killing Quarians, the Quarians killed themselves because of their own stupidity (back in Rannoch) and once again 300 years later if you can't chose the peace option, it's just a decision between the victims and the aggressors. 

It stops being self defence once you exterminate an entire species. The Quarians didn't kill themselves, the Geth killed them.

You are blatantly blaming the victim.

Modifié par Pottumuusi, 16 mai 2012 - 03:03 .

[dublin omega 223]

I wouldn't blame them for destroying an unknown ship that didn't have the phrase needed, end of the day, you have to defend whats yours even if its very little to survive.

Modifié par dublin omega 223, 16 mai 2012 - 03:03 .

[garrusfan1]

Arlionis wrote...

Pottumuusi wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

Because the Quarians are not only stubborn, they're xenophobic and jingoistic as no other race in the galaxy (and that includes Space North Korea, AKA Batarians). The memories we see during the consensus mission in ME3 with the Quarians going house through house finding and executing Geth reminded me of the Gestapo during WW2. They're a disgusting species.

Which is why we killed ALL the germans after WW2?

But you're missing the point, nobody went with a gun killing Quarians, the Quarians killed themselves because of their own stupidity (back in Rannoch) and once again 300 years later if you can't chose the peace option, it's just a decision between the victims and the aggressors. 

whoa really the batarians wanted to slam an asteroid into a planet out of spite and if you talk to balak in me3 it was backed by the goverment and you can honestly say their better than the quarians I like the geth but can you honestly tell me if a robot started to become sentient you would be like aw thats all right the quarians did overreact but some didn`t and some like zal koris didn`t want war

[Arlionis]

Pottumuusi wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

But you're missing the point, nobody went with a gun killing Quarians, the Quarians killed themselves because of their own stupidity (back in Rannoch) and once again 300 years later if you can't chose the peace option, it's just a decision between the victims and the aggressors. 

It stops being self defence once you exterminate an entire species. The Quarians didn't kill themselves, the Geth killed them.

During the consensus mission Legion explains that. The Geth were scare and they didn't understand why the Quarians were doing that to them, and yet they stopped firing when they realized the Quarians were leaving the planet. 

It's funy, but in their extremely short existence the Geth proved to be better persons than the Quarians with their millions of years of biological evolution. 

Modifié par Arlionis, 16 mai 2012 - 03:04 .

[Raiil]

ubermensch007 wrote...


"EDI. The geth are just machines.Software.Math. Is math alive? If the quarians wanted to they could recreate the geth by tomorrow morning. However an organic race, that goes extinct. Cannot be remade so easily.If ever at all. Ask the Rachni..."

In which case you would be entirely wrong. If you wipe out the Geth to the last individual program, the Geth are gone.


No one in the Mass Effect Universe has handcoded an AI before (that we know off- since we're kind of hazy on the beginnings of the Reapers). The Geth were various VIs that networked together and eventually evolved into a new digital race via slow self-awareness. EDI is made of previous Reaper code and the remains of a VI-to-AI project of the Alliance. 


You could write new VIs, hook them up, try to emulate the the original conditions on Rannoch and hope that they could out similiar, but the memories and perspective would no longer be there. It would be like murdering every human to the last man, woman and child, and then hoping that if you cloned them from DNA they would evolve in the same fashion and act the same way- in a vacumn it might make sense, but part of who a person is comes from their life experiences. If EDI and the Geth are dead, you lose that perspective. Forever,

[justafan]

Arlionis wrote...

justafan wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

Because the Quarians are not only stubborn, they're xenophobic and jingoistic as no other race in the galaxy (and that includes Space North Korea, AKA Batarians). The memories we see during the consensus mission in ME3 with the Quarians going house through house finding and executing Geth reminded me of the Gestapo during WW2. They're a disgusting species.

Ok, so let me get this straight, they are more xenophobic than the race that shoots any trespassers on sight?
 

 

They do, the only reason why they didn't open fire on the Normandy during ME2 was becase you brought a Quarian with you. In fact the goal of the Scout Fleet is to destroy any treaspaser on sight. 

 
They are more jingoistic than the species that claims their economy and military rivals all the council races?

 

Because they're powerless now, but that's preciselly Xen's wetdream, control the Geth and use them to create an empire. And considering how warmongering and jingoistic their admirals are, you can easily see that happening the very moment they have some actual power. 

 
They are more racist than the species that would call a dying Quarian a "suit rat"?  

 

Instead of calling names they just try to exterminate what they don't like. 

 
And they all deserve death because of what some frightened people did 300 years ago in a video shown to you by the aggrieved party that has a clear interest in garnering sympathy from you.

 

The only reason why they can even be exterminated in ME3 is because of their very own reckless stupidity. Nobody told them to wage a war against the Geth (yet again) and bring their civilian ships with them, to a war, against a superior enemy, rellying as tehir only safety only on a LADAR spamming exploit that the Geth eventually found a way around... Vorcha are smarter than them. 

 
The only thing the Quarians are guilty of is wanting their homeworld back from a species that to anyones (minus all of 30 people on a terrorist vessel) knowledge is hostile ot all organic life.

 

Yeah, that and aggravated attempt of genocide against a self-aware emergent species.

1.  You were on a Cerberus Vessel with Cerberus markings, Cerberus and the Quarians have a violent history, and it is not friendly.  Also they made radio contact first, so its not like they open fire without warning.

2.  It's also TIM's wet dream, Wreav's wet dream, Udina's wet dream, The Dalatrass' wet dream, they all want more power than they have, and an individual's desire does not speak for a species.  Korris, Tali and Raan are all very reasonable, and even Gerrel and Xen have valid reasons for wanting to go to war in the face of a reaper invasion.

3.  Again, you can't see it from their perspective.  They see the destruction of the Geth as the only way to survive.  The Morning War proved to them that the Geth were hostile, and the Eden Prime War only proved the Geth have not changed in 300 years.  Without a homeworld, the Quarians would never survive the reaper invasion, as everytime the fleet took action it would have to take with it all the civilians.  There was no evidence to the contrary outside of hearsay from a disgraced (former) spectre and accused traitor who served aboard a terrorist vessel.

Oh, did I forget to mention the Quarian strategy was genious and they would have won if not for Reaper intervention.  Anyways, its far better than the human strategy of apparently "have-at-ye" during the battle of Earth while ignoring the thanix cannons they have....

4.  Again, the Quarians who were guilty died centuries ago.  The Quarians of the present are fighting against a proven hostile race that has already allied with the reapers before and have made no effort to show that they are open to anything but genocide.