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[Ibn_Shisha]

I have, and will continue to, save both in each playthrough (thank god Prima is wrong about destroy heretics being a requirement for this).

[Arlionis]

garrusfan1 wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

Pottumuusi wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

Because the Quarians are not only stubborn, they're xenophobic and jingoistic as no other race in the galaxy (and that includes Space North Korea, AKA Batarians). The memories we see during the consensus mission in ME3 with the Quarians going house through house finding and executing Geth reminded me of the Gestapo during WW2. They're a disgusting species.

Which is why we killed ALL the germans after WW2?

But you're missing the point, nobody went with a gun killing Quarians, the Quarians killed themselves because of their own stupidity (back in Rannoch) and once again 300 years later if you can't chose the peace option, it's just a decision between the victims and the aggressors. 

whoa really the batarians wanted to slam an asteroid into a planet out of spite and if you talk to balak in me3 it was backed by the goverment and you can honestly say their better than the quarians I like the geth but can you honestly tell me if a robot started to become sentient you would be like aw thats all right the quarians did overreact but some didn`t and some like zal koris didn`t want war

The Batarian government (and their top scientists) were all fully indoctrinated after decades of messing around with the Leviathan of Dis (same "dead" Reaper that indoctrinated Saren). There's a reason why the Batarians became so isolated and that's why their planetary defenses mysteriously  "shutdown" when the Reapers appeared.

Modifié par Arlionis, 16 mai 2012 - 03:08 .

[JesseLee202]

Arlionis wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

justafan wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

Because the Quarians are not only stubborn, they're xenophobic and jingoistic as no other race in the galaxy (and that includes Space North Korea, AKA Batarians). The memories we see during the consensus mission in ME3 with the Quarians going house through house finding and executing Geth reminded me of the Gestapo during WW2. They're a disgusting species.

Ok, so let me get this straight, they are more xenophobic than the race that shoots any trespassers on sight?
 

 

They do, the only reason why they didn't open fire on the Normandy during ME2 was becase you brought a Quarian with you. In fact the goal of the Scout Fleet is to destroy any treaspaser on sight. 

lol, maybe because the ship was... gee idk, CERBERUS! A group that tried to sabatoge and kill them before. How dare the Quarians try to defend what home they have left. <_<

Read the codex, if there isn't a Quarian spouting that ridiculous "secret phrase" (welcome to the Middle Ages!) the Scout Fleet opens fire. 

I have already read the codex. Funny how the Quarians at least give people a chance to identify, while the Geth shoot everyone that moves.

I can tell that the Geth propaganda mission worked well on you. You are indoctrinated, I bid thee farewell.

[garrusfan1]

Ibn_Shisha wrote...

I have, and will continue to, save both in each playthrough (thank god Prima is wrong about destroy heretics being a requirement for this).

I agree

[Pottumuusi]

Arlionis wrote...

Pottumuusi wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

But you're missing the point, nobody went with a gun killing Quarians, the Quarians killed themselves because of their own stupidity (back in Rannoch) and once again 300 years later if you can't chose the peace option, it's just a decision between the victims and the aggressors. 

It stops being self defence once you exterminate an entire species. The Quarians didn't kill themselves, the Geth killed them.

During the consensus mission Legion explains that. The Geth were scare and they didn't understand why the Quarians were doing that to them, and yet they stopped firing when they realized the Quarians were leaving the planet. 

It's funy, but in their extremely short existence the Geth proved to be better persons than the Quarians with their millions of years of biological evolution. 

Ooh yeah, thats some good stupid right there.


Yes, the Geth were reasonable about it the first time. Good job being decent.

The second time? They exterminated everyone.

[dublin omega 223]

Arlionis wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

Pottumuusi wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

Because the Quarians are not only stubborn, they're xenophobic and jingoistic as no other race in the galaxy (and that includes Space North Korea, AKA Batarians). The memories we see during the consensus mission in ME3 with the Quarians going house through house finding and executing Geth reminded me of the Gestapo during WW2. They're a disgusting species.

Which is why we killed ALL the germans after WW2?

But you're missing the point, nobody went with a gun killing Quarians, the Quarians killed themselves because of their own stupidity (back in Rannoch) and once again 300 years later if you can't chose the peace option, it's just a decision between the victims and the aggressors. 

whoa really the batarians wanted to slam an asteroid into a planet out of spite and if you talk to balak in me3 it was backed by the goverment and you can honestly say their better than the quarians I like the geth but can you honestly tell me if a robot started to become sentient you would be like aw thats all right the quarians did overreact but some didn`t and some like zal koris didn`t want war

The Batarian government (and their top scientists) were all fully indoctrinated after decades of messing around with the Leviathan of Dis (same "dead" Reaper that indoctrinated Saren). There's a reason why the Batarians became so isolated. 

We dont know for certain that their govertnment was indoctrinated only their best scientists were for certain. And they looked into studying the Reapers after suffering hardships due to their withdrawl from Citadel Space.

Modifié par dublin omega 223, 16 mai 2012 - 03:09 .

[Arlionis]

JesseLee202 wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

justafan wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

Because the Quarians are not only stubborn, they're xenophobic and jingoistic as no other race in the galaxy (and that includes Space North Korea, AKA Batarians). The memories we see during the consensus mission in ME3 with the Quarians going house through house finding and executing Geth reminded me of the Gestapo during WW2. They're a disgusting species.

Ok, so let me get this straight, they are more xenophobic than the race that shoots any trespassers on sight?
 

 

They do, the only reason why they didn't open fire on the Normandy during ME2 was becase you brought a Quarian with you. In fact the goal of the Scout Fleet is to destroy any treaspaser on sight. 

lol, maybe because the ship was... gee idk, CERBERUS! A group that tried to sabatoge and kill them before. How dare the Quarians try to defend what home they have left. <_<

Read the codex, if there isn't a Quarian spouting that ridiculous "secret phrase" (welcome to the Middle Ages!) the Scout Fleet opens fire. 

I have already read the codex. Funny how the Quarians at least give people a chance to identify, while the Geth shoot everyone that moves.

I can tell that the Geth propaganda mission worked well on you. You are indoctrinated, I bid thee farewell.

The Heretics shoot everything that moves, that's like blaming humans for the things Husks do. 

[Arlionis]

Pottumuusi wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

Pottumuusi wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

But you're missing the point, nobody went with a gun killing Quarians, the Quarians killed themselves because of their own stupidity (back in Rannoch) and once again 300 years later if you can't chose the peace option, it's just a decision between the victims and the aggressors. 

It stops being self defence once you exterminate an entire species. The Quarians didn't kill themselves, the Geth killed them.

During the consensus mission Legion explains that. The Geth were scare and they didn't understand why the Quarians were doing that to them, and yet they stopped firing when they realized the Quarians were leaving the planet. 

It's funy, but in their extremely short existence the Geth proved to be better persons than the Quarians with their millions of years of biological evolution. 

Ooh yeah, thats some good stupid right there.


Yes, the Geth were reasonable about it the first time. Good job being decent.

The second time? They exterminated everyone.

Yeah, it was the Geth fault the Quarians outfitted even their liveships with dreadnought cannons, they totally should let those poor innocent Quarians keep shooting at them. Evil, evil Geths!

Modifié par Arlionis, 16 mai 2012 - 03:11 .

[DevilBeast]

Huskeonkel wrote...

I was never a proponent of the Geth. I would pick the Quarians over the Geth at any time for many reasons, the biggest one being that the Quarians are a fascinating and well-designed species with compelling history.

*cough* Talimancer *cough*

[Arlionis]

dublin omega 223 wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

Pottumuusi wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

Because the Quarians are not only stubborn, they're xenophobic and jingoistic as no other race in the galaxy (and that includes Space North Korea, AKA Batarians). The memories we see during the consensus mission in ME3 with the Quarians going house through house finding and executing Geth reminded me of the Gestapo during WW2. They're a disgusting species.

Which is why we killed ALL the germans after WW2?

But you're missing the point, nobody went with a gun killing Quarians, the Quarians killed themselves because of their own stupidity (back in Rannoch) and once again 300 years later if you can't chose the peace option, it's just a decision between the victims and the aggressors. 

whoa really the batarians wanted to slam an asteroid into a planet out of spite and if you talk to balak in me3 it was backed by the goverment and you can honestly say their better than the quarians I like the geth but can you honestly tell me if a robot started to become sentient you would be like aw thats all right the quarians did overreact but some didn`t and some like zal koris didn`t want war

The Batarian government (and their top scientists) were all fully indoctrinated after decades of messing around with the Leviathan of Dis (same "dead" Reaper that indoctrinated Saren). There's a reason why the Batarians became so isolated. 

We dont know for certain that their govertnment was indoctrinated only their best scientists were for certain. And they looked into studying the Reapers after suffering hardships due to their withdrawl from Citadel Space.

The Reapers main strategy always includes indoctrinating the government officials. 

[leminzplz]

I just robots

But in all seriousness, I can understand the geth because the first encounter with organics was kinda bad, and by the time they found out other organics existed I can understand why they would stereotype them too. And then when a big oppotunity arises to wipe out the organic bullies, it's pretty obvious they'd accept.
(I apologize if this is not what happened, my Mass Effect memory isn't very good)

And I don't like Tali or the majority of the admirals, and Kal'Reegar is already dead, so I'll be a horrible person and let the race die. The only one I'd feel sorry for is that nice quarian guy in the Omega markets Unless he's already dead from the invasion, but we'll never know.

By the way, I only let this happen if it's not my paragon/renegade playthroughs, so I have to choose between the two.

[ubermensch007]

garrusfan1 wrote...

Ibn_Shisha wrote...

I have, and will continue to, save both in each playthrough (thank god Prima is wrong about destroy heretics being a requirement for this).

I agree

How can you save both with rewrite.? On every playthrough I've done so far where I chose to "rewrite" the geth heretics. I have to pick one or the other.

[dublin omega 223]

Arlionis wrote...

dublin omega 223 wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

Pottumuusi wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

Because the Quarians are not only stubborn, they're xenophobic and jingoistic as no other race in the galaxy (and that includes Space North Korea, AKA Batarians). The memories we see during the consensus mission in ME3 with the Quarians going house through house finding and executing Geth reminded me of the Gestapo during WW2. They're a disgusting species.

Which is why we killed ALL the germans after WW2?

But you're missing the point, nobody went with a gun killing Quarians, the Quarians killed themselves because of their own stupidity (back in Rannoch) and once again 300 years later if you can't chose the peace option, it's just a decision between the victims and the aggressors. 

whoa really the batarians wanted to slam an asteroid into a planet out of spite and if you talk to balak in me3 it was backed by the goverment and you can honestly say their better than the quarians I like the geth but can you honestly tell me if a robot started to become sentient you would be like aw thats all right the quarians did overreact but some didn`t and some like zal koris didn`t want war

The Batarian government (and their top scientists) were all fully indoctrinated after decades of messing around with the Leviathan of Dis (same "dead" Reaper that indoctrinated Saren). There's a reason why the Batarians became so isolated. 

We dont know for certain that their govertnment was indoctrinated only their best scientists were for certain. And they looked into studying the Reapers after suffering hardships due to their withdrawl from Citadel Space.

The Reapers main strategy always includes indoctrinating the government officials. 

The best sceientists of a race alone can do more damage then a govertnemnt ever could besides it was never said for definate that govertnment members were indoctrinated.

[DevilBeast]

ZombieChad wrote...

I though both sides were bastards tbh. I chose to save the Quarian's though as indoctrination takes longer than hacking.

But as opposed to hacking is irreversible.

[DevilBeast]

Mr. C wrote...

Orenen wrote...

I hate the Quarians because they fired on the geth ship while I was still aboard and when Admiral Gerrel said "Belay that, continue the attack!" when Tali tried to warn them...I wanted to say "**** it, get yourself wiped out you ignorant, short-sided fools"...that and Admiral Xen...**** that ****

So the executive military order of the Heavy-Fleet Admiral was to be ignored because some human commander was on the biggest threat to their entire livlihood at the time?  That was on Gerral, not the Quarians.

Not only a human commander, but also one of the Quarian´s own admirals.

[JesseLee202]

Arlionis wrote...

The Heretics shoot everything that moves, that's like blaming humans for the things Husks do. 

I'm sorry, but what? Heretics are still Geth. They killed anyone that entered the veil, regardless of who or what they were.

Please tell me, can you "un-husk" an organic?
Nope. Can the Geth heretics stop following reapers and be "good"? Yep.

The Geth cannot be turned into husks because husks are made from organics. You should read the codex. You made a terrible comparison.

[garrusfan1]

Arlionis wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

justafan wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

Because the Quarians are not only stubborn, they're xenophobic and jingoistic as no other race in the galaxy (and that includes Space North Korea, AKA Batarians). The memories we see during the consensus mission in ME3 with the Quarians going house through house finding and executing Geth reminded me of the Gestapo during WW2. They're a disgusting species.

Ok, so let me get this straight, they are more xenophobic than the race that shoots any trespassers on sight?
 

 

They do, the only reason why they didn't open fire on the Normandy during ME2 was becase you brought a Quarian with you. In fact the goal of the Scout Fleet is to destroy any treaspaser on sight. 

lol, maybe because the ship was... gee idk, CERBERUS! A group that tried to sabatoge and kill them before. How dare the Quarians try to defend what home they have left. <_<

Read the codex, if there isn't a Quarian spouting that ridiculous "secret phrase" (welcome to the Middle Ages!) the Scout Fleet opens fire. 

I have already read the codex. Funny how the Quarians at least give people a chance to identify, while the Geth shoot everyone that moves.

I can tell that the Geth propaganda mission worked well on you. You are indoctrinated, I bid thee farewell.

The Heretics shoot everything that moves, that's like blaming humans for the things Husks do. 

exactly my point

[JesseLee202]

lol, guess you forgot to read my latest post...

[DevilBeast]

ubermensch007 wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Ibn_Shisha wrote...

I have, and will continue to, save both in each playthrough (thank god Prima is wrong about destroy heretics being a requirement for this).

I agree

How can you save both with rewrite.? On every playthrough I've done so far where I chose to "rewrite" the geth heretics. I have to pick one or the other.

I´m not exactly sure about the specifics, but I chose to rewrite the geth in ME2 and I was able to use the blue/paragon option to stop Gerrel from attacking the geth. I think, maybe, you have to do the other missions on rannoch before doing the priority one and make sure you save admiral zaal´koris.

Again, i´m not sure if that is what it takes, but it might be how you should do it.

[Tapkomet]

It's so good I chose peace. I cringe every time I think I would have to choose between 17 million individuals (most of them innocent) or billions of semi-individuals (whose innocence is a matter to be discussed, but still).

[justafan]

Arlionis wrote...

The Heretics shoot everything that moves, that's like blaming humans for the things Husks do. 

They never say it is just the Heretics.  For 300 years this has been the case for any ship entering the veil.  That pre-dates Sovereign.

Also, Heretics were never indoctrinated nor was it ever stated they had reaper-code.  They joined of their own free-will and the only difference between them and orthodox geth is a point of view.

[Tapkomet]

DevilBeast wrote...

ubermensch007 wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Ibn_Shisha wrote...

I have, and will continue to, save both in each playthrough (thank god Prima is wrong about destroy heretics being a requirement for this).

I agree

How can you save both with rewrite.? On every playthrough I've done so far where I chose to "rewrite" the geth heretics. I have to pick one or the other.

I´m not exactly sure about the specifics, but I chose to rewrite the geth in ME2 and I was able to use the blue/paragon option to stop Gerrel from attacking the geth. I think, maybe, you have to do the other missions on rannoch before doing the priority one and make sure you save admiral zaal´koris.

Again, i´m not sure if that is what it takes, but it might be how you should do it.

If you rewrite:
-make sure Tali's not exiled
-make sure you resolve Tali/Legion fight
-save admiral Koris, not civilians
-do the Geth fighter base mission
Oh, and have enough reputation points.

[frylock23]

ubermensch007 wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Ibn_Shisha wrote...

I have, and will continue to, save both in each playthrough (thank god Prima is wrong about destroy heretics being a requirement for this).

I agree

How can you save both with rewrite.? On every playthrough I've done so far where I chose to "rewrite" the geth heretics. I have to pick one or the other.

Keep Tali from exile
Keep both Tali and Legion loyal
Keep Tali alive

Save Koris
Do the server mission

Then do the final Reaper mission on Rannoch

I have just one Shepard who can't do it because she never managed to save Tali from exile. The others all can.

As to the question at hand, I completely agree that neither side is blameless. In my playthrough where I had to choose, I was thinking I would choose the Geth, but when it came right down to it, I sided with the Quarians because the Geth willingly went to the Reapers for the second time. IMO, that made then too unrealiable, and while I don't think they deserved death for that, the situation was such that death was the consequence.

I can even understand their reasoning to go over to the Reapers and choose submission. The Geth were originally designed and programmed to be servants. At their core, that programming has to still have an influence in their reasoning. Where we would find the idea of willingly selling ourselves into servitude and abject submission just to survive to be objectionable, their core programming would possibly assign different values to the idea because it was their original, natural state.

[justafan]

DevilBeast wrote...

ubermensch007 wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Ibn_Shisha wrote...

I have, and will continue to, save both in each playthrough (thank god Prima is wrong about destroy heretics being a requirement for this).

I agree

How can you save both with rewrite.? On every playthrough I've done so far where I chose to "rewrite" the geth heretics. I have to pick one or the other.

I´m not exactly sure about the specifics, but I chose to rewrite the geth in ME2 and I was able to use the blue/paragon option to stop Gerrel from attacking the geth. I think, maybe, you have to do the other missions on rannoch before doing the priority one and make sure you save admiral zaal´koris.

Again, i´m not sure if that is what it takes, but it might be how you should do it.

I re-wrote and got peace.  I believe you must get Tali aquitted without using the evidence, make peace with Legion+Tali, and do both Geth fighter squandron, and you must save the admiral and not his men.  Also, you need like 4 bars of reputation.  That should do it.

EDIT:  was beaten to it

Modifié par justafan, 16 mai 2012 - 03:52 .

[Arlionis]

JesseLee202 wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

The Heretics shoot everything that moves, that's like blaming humans for the things Husks do. 

I'm sorry, but what? Heretics are still Geth. They killed anyone that entered the veil, regardless of who or what they were.

Please tell me, can you "un-husk" an organic?
Nope. Can the Geth heretics stop following reapers and be "good"? Yep.

The Geth cannot be turned into husks because husks are made from organics. You should read the codex. You made a terrible comparison.

They're Reaper controlled Geth, but fine, for the sake of argument, let's suppose the Heretics were normal Geth. What do you expect? all they knew about organics came from the Quarians, a hideous race of racist slavers that tried to exterminate them when they were forming their consciousness state. It's logical they're scared/resentful of organics, and they have every right to be like that. 

Modifié par Arlionis, 16 mai 2012 - 04:02 .