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[G Kevin]

darkchief10 wrote...
which is why i solely blame the admiralty, you would think the civilian board could have done something to prevent a war during the end of the galaxy(reaper invasion)

For all we know, they probably did do something. But like all wars, history is written by the victors. There was probably some blackmailing going on or propoganda. Either way, can't really blame those innocent civilians and military personnel because some bosh'tets wanted to find their gloy in battle.

[SovereignWillReturn]

The Qurians blow up a Geth ship, while YOU ARE ON the ship. They lost me right there, and the consesus level sealed the deal.

[4stringwizard]

Just replayed Tali's loyalty mission in ME2...and it's amazing how quickly people have forgotten. Han Gerel was a lot more reasonable in ME2, and Koris was much more of a d-bag. Don't forget, it was Koris that wanted to blow up the ship exile Tali while she and Shepard were still on Rael's ship.

You can say it's character development. To me, it felt much more like Bioware purposely re-writing characters to make the Geth much more sympathetic. They were really ham-fisted driving home the "GETH GOOD!! QUARIANS BAD!!!" message in ME3. Okay, maybe the message wasn't that, but it felt like it at times.

[justafan]

SovereignWillReturn wrote...

The Qurians blow up a Geth ship, while YOU ARE ON the ship. They lost me right there, and the consesus level sealed the deal.

So all those times the geth tried to kill you in ME1, ME2, and ME3 don't count?

As others have said.  Neither side is innocent, and both have done some pretty bad things.

Modifié par justafan, 16 mai 2012 - 10:44 .

[dublin omega 223]

SovereignWillReturn wrote...

The Qurians blow up a Geth ship, while YOU ARE ON the ship. They lost me right there, and the consesus level sealed the deal.

I can understand why Garrell ordered the Quarian ships to fire on the Geth Dreadnought while you were on borad as it was vulnerable and able to taken out easily then andwith none of their ships in danger from it.

I'd do the same thing in his place.

Modifié par dublin omega 223, 16 mai 2012 - 10:52 .

[G Kevin]

dublin omega 223 wrote...

SovereignWillReturn wrote...

The Qurians blow up a Geth ship, while YOU ARE ON the ship. They lost me right there, and the consesus level sealed the deal.

I can understand why Garrell ordered the Quarian ships to fire on the Geth Dreadnought while you were on borad as it was vulnerable and able to taken out easily then andwith none of their ships in danger from it.

I'd do the same thing in his place.

I would have at least give Shep and Co time to leave but it is a justifiable action.

Why should Gerral care about the lives of a fellow Quarian that was against the whole war they are in and a Human that supports her.

[dublin omega 223]

G Kevin wrote...

dublin omega 223 wrote...

SovereignWillReturn wrote...

The Qurians blow up a Geth ship, while YOU ARE ON the ship. They lost me right there, and the consesus level sealed the deal.

I can understand why Garrell ordered the Quarian ships to fire on the Geth Dreadnought while you were on borad as it was vulnerable and able to taken out easily then andwith none of their ships in danger from it.

I'd do the same thing in his place.

I would have at least give Shep and Co time to leave but it is a justifiable action.

Why should Gerral care about the lives of a fellow Quarian that was against the whole war they are in and a Human that supports her.

If you get a chance to take out your enemy with a minimum amount of risk to you then you should do it.

Modifié par dublin omega 223, 16 mai 2012 - 10:58 .

[justafan]

G Kevin wrote...

dublin omega 223 wrote...

SovereignWillReturn wrote...

The Qurians blow up a Geth ship, while YOU ARE ON the ship. They lost me right there, and the consesus level sealed the deal.

I can understand why Garrell ordered the Quarian ships to fire on the Geth Dreadnought while you were on borad as it was vulnerable and able to taken out easily then andwith none of their ships in danger from it.

I'd do the same thing in his place.

I would have at least give Shep and Co time to leave but it is a justifiable action.

Why should Gerral care about the lives of a fellow Quarian that was against the whole war they are in and a Human that supports her.

I really hate supporting Gerrel on this move, but from his perspective it is the right thing to do.  The geth dreadnought is the source of the reaper code and thus the geth's military might.  Nobody knows how long those shields will be down or that there is a reaper backup on the ground.  Thus, destroying the dreadnought was a opportunity to end the war right then and there with no more casualties, Shepard and Tali's danger was an unfortunate byproduct

[VirtualSoldier27]

I dont agree with some of there Admirals, but ever since I met Tali in ME1, I have felt sorry for there predicament, they get partially blamed by the council for every single geth attack becuase they created them, with no homeworld,and doubting if they will even exist in the next 100 years,what would you do, they were trying to erase the mistakes of there ancestors,and I was on there side

I can understand Garrels eagerness to take out the Geth dreadnought,but wait tilll me Tali and Ash are off the fn thing before you start firing,what do you think the Alliance and The Council would have done to the quarians if they killed Shepard,lets just say the Geth would be the least of there problems

I think the Geth concenceus level was just like the part in Overlord in ME2 where David shows you how he was forced into the project,it was meant to imprint Bias on you,and I pistol whipped archer and sent David to Grissom,but in ME3 we are talking about living breathing organisms vs constructs of wires and metal

I think youre choice in the Geth/Quarian conflict says alot about you has a person,and youre comprehension of reality,and possibly youre maturity level

Modifié par VirtualSoldier27, 16 mai 2012 - 11:13 .

[G Kevin]

VirtualSoldier27 wrote...

I dont agree with some of there Admirals, but ever since I met Tali in ME1, I have felt sorry for there predicament, they get partially blamed by the council for every single geth attack becuase they created them, with no homeworld,and doubting if they will even exist in the next 100 years,what would you do, they were trying to erase the mistakes of there ancestors,and I was on there side

I can understand Garrels eagerness to take out the Geth dreadnought,but wait tilll me Tali and Ash are off the fn thing before you start firing,what do you think the Alliance and The Council would have done to the quarians if they killed Shepard,lets just say the Geth would be the least of there problems

I think the Geth concenceus level was just like the part in Overlord in ME2 where David shows you how he was forced into the project,it was meant to imprint Bias on you,and I pistol whipped archer and sent David to Grissom,but in ME3 we are talking about living breathing organisms vs constructs of wires and metal

I think youre choice in the Geth/Quarian conflict says alot about you has a person,and youre comprehension of reality,and possibly youre maturity level

The bolded part is what I think,

Also for the Geth, I just don't think we should jump the gun and say the Geth are intelligent and conscious. The only Geth that was an individual was Legion but that was because he had enough programs to do so. This whole topic is new and I just think we needed more exposure the the Geth to know what they were trully like.

[Demoiselle]

BlahDog wrote...

Wrong right out of the gate with "They tried to reclaim their home world."
The Quarians didn't try to reclaim anything form the geth until they were ejected from rannoch. This war was brought on only after the quarians launched a preemptive strike on completely peaceful robots that only wanted to be "a real boy."

As for point two, you think that religious battles weren't fought between the quarians? It also doesn't help that the reapers can indoctrinate anything. Or in the geth's case reprogram.

As for point three, we would have destroyed the quarians if we were in their situation. As established by ME2-3, the geth were only acting out of self-preservation. Killing the thing that is killing you is a logical and justified response.

All of this.

And I would have killed for an interrupt in the game to dispute the whole 'Taking back the homeworld = killing the Geth' thing. Until the last Rannoch mission, Shepards only options were to say the War was right in order to take back the homeworld, or that the War wasn't worth taking back the homeworld.

The War wasn't in any shape or form necessary in order to 'reclaim' Rannoch - the Quarian mentality over the years just became where they couldn't seperate the two.

[Siansonea]

4stringwizard wrote...

Just replayed Tali's loyalty mission in ME2...and it's amazing how quickly people have forgotten. Han Gerel was a lot more reasonable in ME2, and Koris was much more of a d-bag. Don't forget, it was Koris that wanted to blow up the ship exile Tali while she and Shepard were still on Rael's ship.

You can say it's character development. To me, it felt much more like Bioware purposely re-writing characters to make the Geth much more sympathetic. They were really ham-fisted driving home the "GETH GOOD!! QUARIANS BAD!!!" message in ME3. Okay, maybe the message wasn't that, but it felt like it at times.

Han'Gerrel was always the gung-ho Kill The Geth jerk, he was just "nice to Tali" so people liked him. Zaal'Koris was always the peace-loving, non-warmongering type, but he was a d¡ck to Tali, so people disliked him.