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[wantedman dan]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

I could never choose one over the other.

But seeing what the Quarians did to the Geth when they saw that they were gaining sentience...I lost a lot of respect for them.

I could if I were forced to, a la lack of paragon/renegade.

Luckily, I was not placed in that situation.

[AtreiyaN7]

Brosome wrote...

Genocide is wrong. It is an atrocity. I will always choose peace, no matter what. I won't even import any saves where I know i ****ed things up.

But, if I was ever forced to choose only one side, it would be the quarians.

I will never choose robots over innocent children.

A lot of people like to simply forget that children exist in the ME universe, even after Bioware made it clear otherwise in the very first level.

Their youth doesn't make them more special or precious than any other sentient being. Big deal - "children" can just as easily be built. What were the Geth but the children of the Quarians? *snort*

At any rate, the memories stored in the Geth Consensus kind of explain everything. Furthermore, the Quarians have consistently been aggressors and started trouble between the two species. The Geth have always wanted peace and never sought to be violent. And even when the Geth could have wiped out the Quarians, they didn't do it. I feel considerably more sympathy towards them than the Quarians (however, I do not hate the Quarians).

[Shallyah]

The whole situation is Bioware's mistake. I saw a twit where a staff member admitted that they wanted to give the players a reason to side with the Geth too given the premises and the Geth being one of the main hostile factions in Mass Effect, but they might have overdone it.

If you look at it from a real life perspective, if suddenly your smartphone started thinking it can reason like a living being, you'd be presented the same dilemma as the Quarians. If it is self aware, then it's not a tool anymore, it's a being I am slaving to do my will. The Quarians, out of panic, only wanted to disconnect the Geth, but they managed to prevent that from happening. Then the thing escalated to armed conflict. It didn't go well for the Quarians.

Again, without being cynical, and being sensible, you'd never side with machines. Some people side with them just because it's a videogame, and because Bioware overdid their attempt to get some players to understand the Geth's point of view.

Modifié par Shallyah, 09 avril 2012 - 11:28 .

[G Kevin]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

Why did the Geth never tell anyone that they meant no harm? Instead killing any ship that came into the Veil.

The geth did so time after time. They got no response, other than violence from the quarians. Hence the Morning War. The geth also ended that war. They let the remaining quarians go. It appears to me that after that they do not own anyone an apology or a peace attempt. They have done their best.

After the morning war they kept killing any ship that ventured into Geth space. After the battle of the citadel, which hurt the Geth reputation, why did they not say that those were heretics and the true geth meant no harm. The only Geth that seemed like he had a soul was Legion. The rest of the Geth, as mentioned earlier, were just software.

[Olueq]

wantedman dan wrote...

Olueq wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Did the OP watch the scenes during the Geth Consensus mission?

1. those were people that died 300 years ago
2. There were quarians that defended the geth
3. What we DIDNT see was the geth murdering millions of innocents, even children.

1) Whoopdie Sh*t. Are you saying history sets no precedent for the present?

2) And their sacrifice was noted, according to Legion. That still does not account for the fact that a vast majority of the Quarians STARTED WAR against a race they saw as subservient, and lost, and got pissed off about it.

3) Out of self-defense. What part of that don't you get? Innocent casualties happen; it's war. It's not pretty. Grow a set and get out of your phantasmagorical representation of it. What you're not taking account for is the fact that the killing stop as soon as the Quarians fled.

1...... your kidding right? You are blaming people now for things they had no part in. Simply because you are born a  quarian, you deserve to die? Think about what you just said.

2. You dont know how many were for or against the war. Currently the majority are against it. The entire civilian fleet is against it. By your logic, we should hate all the geth because of the heretics. In fact, the true geth LET the heretics side with sovereign and attempt genocide of the entire galaxy in ME1.

3. What part arent YOU getting? Nothing justifies killing millions of innocents. Yes, Im sure killing kids was in self defence. Please use your brain in the future.

Modifié par Olueq, 09 avril 2012 - 11:29 .

[Swinns]

One of my friends Is very anti-quarian, he keeps pointing out the fact that the geth were just asking questions about their exsitence. he was very vocal about it, every time he saw one he'd start rambling on

One day I said this: "if your toaster asked you why it was making toast would you not freak the f*ck out? What if the toaster had the ability to talk every other toaster. Now image that toaster could also stand up, run around and fire a gun. Would you not freak the f*ck out?"

He shut up after that

Modifié par Swinns, 09 avril 2012 - 11:29 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

Olueq wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

Why did the Geth never tell anyone that they meant no harm? Instead killing any ship that came into the Veil.

The geth did so time after time. They got no response, other than violence from the quarians. Hence the Morning War. The geth also ended that war. They let the remaining quarians go. It appears to me that after that they do not own anyone an apology or a peace attempt. They have done their best.

lol? No they didnt. They never, ever tried to communicate with the quarians. Or anyone else for that matter. The only contact anyone ever has with the geth is with the heretics, so youc ant blame peopel for hating the geth. Legion is the one exception, but he was only sent to talk to Shepard, and that was only after he killed sovereign.

Where did you get that from? Didn't you enter the get's concensus? Didn't you play ME1?

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 09 avril 2012 - 11:29 .

[rex285]

4stringwizard wrote...

1.  The Quarians weren't "genocidal maniacs".  They tried to reclaim their home world.  For crying out loud people, wouldn't you have done the same thing?  Beside, not all Quarians supported the war or the first "Morning War."  And they were attacing machines.  I repeat, MACHINES.  Whether the Geth were alive/sentient at the end is moot, but the game makes it clear that the Geth didn't achieve sentience until after they got the Reaper upgrades.  Even if they were alive/sentient, the Quarians wouldn't have known this.  For all they knew at the time, the Geth were just machines still.  Speaking of Reapers...

 

They still had control of their world when they began attacking the Geth. You need to remeber that the Quarians began attacking the Geth because they were questioning their existance. Also the believed they had gained sentience because they began questioning, "Does this Unit have a soul?" if that isn't a sign of sentience then I don't know what is. Not until the Geth faced certain death did they begin fighting back. Even in some occasions they only faught back to protect their Quarian Masters. 

 
2.  The Geth weren't "innocent" in all this.  They sided with the Reapers not once, but TWICE over the course of the trilogy.  Yeah, the first ones to side were the "heretics", but even still, they were once true Geth.  if they could turn, why couldn't the true Geth?  At best, this shows the Geth to be untrustworthy.  As far as ME3, even if the Geth were desparate, they sided with the Reapers knowing full well what their intentions were.  Nobody is even bothered by this?  Again, this shows the Geth to be untrustworthy.  What would have stopped them from waging war against organics later to better themselves?

 

So by your logic, If I were to go on a killing spree in the name of the Russian Government. I could blame you and say that you were just as guilty because you are also a human being who could also commit the same atrocities.

 
Yes, they sided with the reapers and knew what would happen, but they did so because it was either submit to their will or face extinction at the hands of the Reapers. Anyway, what gives the Quarians the right to send the Geth to extinction? Legion even states that they have no intentions of going to war with the Quarians and would be more than willing to accept them back to Rannoch. The Geth even went as far as to clean up and restore Rannoch to what it was before the Morning war. 

 
3.  Another pro-Geth argument I've heard is that the Geth were peaceful and let the Quarians live during the first war, when they had to chance to pursue them or wipe them out.  Well, Legion himself says the ONLY reason the Geth didn't wipe out the Quarians was because they weren't smart enough to make that decision at the time.  Even during the game, Legion basically admits to Shepard that the Geth aren't any better than organics.  (This occurs after Shepard finds out that Legion had his something from him.)  The Geth wouldn't have been more useful.  The Quarians had the largest fleet in the galaxy and the Geth were weakened if they had been destroyed rather than re-written.  

 
 
 
Start watching at 3:40

Legion states that they didn't wipe out the Quarians because they had attained freedom and the threat of the Quarians was over. He never once states that they didn't do it because they weren't smart enough. He says that they couldn't caluculate the FUTURE problems that could occur from sending the Quarians in to extinction. 

Yes, the Quarians had the largest fleet, but their fleet was made up of old ships that had been jury-rigged to stay together. The codex states that many of their ships are from the original exodus from the Morning war. Also counting that basically their entire population lives on the ships, I guarentee that the majority are not war ships. While the Geth had massive numbers of ships, not up to par with the quarians, but their ships could definately handle themselves well as we see in the Battle of the Citadel. 

[Exeider]

4stringwizard wrote...

My apologies beforehand for the long post...

It feels like most people, if forced to choose, decided to wipe out the Quarians rather than the Geth during the Rannoch.  Which is fine and dandy by me cause it's your choice, but it's not as if it's done cause it's paragon/renegade.  The main reason given by most people seems to be:

1.  The Quarians are genocidal maniacs and had it coming.
2.  The Geth are just innocent victims in all this.  

Really?  Although I'm not very surprised since Bioware tried their darnest to paint the Geth as helpless victims in ME3, I still don't understand the amount of bias towards the Geth in this case.  First off,

1.  The Quarians weren't "genocidal maniacs".  They tried to reclaim their home world.  For crying out loud people, wouldn't you have done the same thing?  Beside, not all Quarians supported the war or the first "Morning War."  And they were attacing machines.  I repeat, MACHINES.  Whether the Geth were alive/sentient at the end is moot, but the game makes it clear that the Geth didn't achieve sentience until after they got the Reaper upgrades.  Even if they were alive/sentient, the Quarians wouldn't have known this.  For all they knew at the time, the Geth were just machines still.  Speaking of Reapers...

2.  The Geth weren't "innocent" in all this.  They sided with the Reapers not once, but TWICE over the course of the trilogy.  Yeah, the first ones to side were the "heretics", but even still, they were once true Geth.  if they could turn, why couldn't the true Geth?  At best, this shows the Geth to be untrustworthy.  As far as ME3, even if the Geth were desparate, they sided with the Reapers knowing full well what their intentions were.  Nobody is even bothered by this?  Again, this shows the Geth to be untrustworthy.  What would have stopped them from waging war against organics later to better themselves?

3.  Another pro-Geth argument I've heard is that the Geth were peaceful and let the Quarians live during the first war, when they had to chance to pursue them or wipe them out.  Well, Legion himself says the ONLY reason the Geth didn't wipe out the Quarians was because they weren't smart enough to make that decision at the time.  Even during the game, Legion basically admits to Shepard that the Geth aren't any better than organics.  (This occurs after Shepard finds out that Legion had his something from him.)  The Geth wouldn't have been more useful.  The Quarians had the largest fleet in the galaxy and the Geth were weakened if they had been destroyed rather than re-written.  

So again, I don't understand the sheer amount of bias toward the Geth in this case.  If you ask me, they were no better allies than the Quarians (maybe worse given the circumstances).  Thoughts?  

first off OP, good post, a fair change from what normally is on these forums.

As far as the geth/quarian conflict, I would choose neither, and I did. I didn't like the fact that the game was about to have you choose between these two great and noble races.

the "Choice" is the same kind of false paradigm that you are offered in the end. I think allowing the quarians to kill the geth is wrong, I think allowing the geth to kill the quarians is wrong, and the whole point is about coexistance and unity of diverse people.

The geth always had sentience, the reaper upgrade in fact proved it, it artificially sped up an evolution that was always there,,  without the reaper upgrades the geth would of reached that point regardless.

The Quarians refused to ackknowledge this fact, and thought of the geth as nothing more then tools, and machines for tasks, however as shown in the consensus, some Quarians realized what was going on.

The geth build consensus, but just because some or all of a group of people agree to it, doesn't make it right, it should be right or wrong on it's own merits.

when the geth CHOSE not to continue chasing the Quarians into space they showed a moral choice, maybe backed up by machine logic. IE. chose not to kill them, and corroborated it with saying, Plus it would use up to many resources anyway.

Mass Effect's people, cultures and races, were all trapped in different cycles of one or another, more then just the Reaper cycle. The Quarians/ Geth,  Krogan/Turian/Salarian. All trapped in cycles

Cycles of pain, of death, distrust, guilt and anguish, destruction, chaos, oppression, tyranny and outright evil.

I played as a Paragon Shepard, made a couple renagade moves, minor ones. But I figured my Shepard was out to break the cycles, all of them, and set the right path.

I wanted to cure the genophage, because it was right, and because it freed the krogan BUT ALSO the Salarians and Turians, because even the jailer becomes trapped in the cycle as well. I alliviated that cycle.

I stopped the Quarian/Geth war because it was right and stopped their viscious cycle of pain and death.

And in every case, I made sure that these weren't situations in which there was a "Winner" and a "Loser" because the cycles are fed by pain and only will exhaust themselves in blood.

the key wasn't winning or losing, but making each side realize they were contributing to a cycle that has gone on so long, that the need, the reason for it had become long forgotten or twisted and lost.

I will end this post in the prophetic and wise words of Kosh Narenek from Babylon 5, in the form of an excerpt from one of my favorite episodes:

Kosh: We are a dying people, G'Kar. So are the Centauri. [We see him,
standing behind G'Kar: an older Narn, not G'Kar's father.]
Obsessed with each other's death until death is all we can see and death
is all we deserve.

G'Kar: The Centauri started it.

Kosh: And will you continue, until there are no more Narns, and no more
Centauri? If both sides are dead, no one will care which side deserves
the blame. It no longer matters who started it, G'Kar. It only matters
who is suffering.

G'Kar: No. No, I have an obligation to honor my father's name.

Kosh: And how have you chosen to honor that name? What is there left for Narn
if all of creation falls around us?
There is nothing. No hope, no dream,
no future, no life. Unless we turn from the cycle of death toward
something greater. If we are a dying people, then let us die with honor,
by helping the others as no one else can.

G'Kar: I don't understand.

Kosh: Because you have let them distract you. Blind you with hate. You
cannot see the battle for what it is. We are fighting to save one another.
We must realize we are not alone. We rise and fall together. And some of us
must be sacrificed if all are to be saved. Because if you fail in this then
none of us will be saved, and the Narn will be only a memory. [Vanishes.]
You have the opportunity here and now to choose, to become something
greater and nobler and more difficult than you have been before. The
universe does not offer such chances often, G'Kar.

G'Kar: Why now? Why not earlier? All this time, where have you been?

Kosh: I have always been here.


-AE

Modifié par Exeider, 09 avril 2012 - 11:32 .

[Vigil_N7]

Only thing that annoyed me was when the admiral risked Shepard and Tali's life by not with-holding fire on the geth.

A recurring theme of Mass Effect seemed to be people not trusting shepard, had the admiral withheld fire, had the Asari told Shepard about the prothean VI sooner, had VS trust shepard's judgement about helping cerberus, had TIM told Shepard of the collector ship trap, then life would've been so much simpler.

Honestly, what the hell must it take for Shepard to get a tincy little bit of trust in the galaxy?

[bclagge]

MY Shep made it clear all along that she supported the Geth in their bid for independence. I never wanted the Quarians to be defeated and attempted to broker peace continually. But at every turn the Quarians ignored my orders and attempted to exterminate the Geth, even to the point of nearly killing me when I was in the Geth Dreadnaught. So when the Quarians were going to take advantage of the Geth's weakened state and exterminate them, behaving as evilly as any cruel conqueror in history, I had no choice but to step in and support the Geth. They brought it upon themselves.

It was a tragedy that Tali took her own life, but ultimately that was pretty selfish of her. Even though her people had (deservedly) been decimated she still had a duty to the entire galaxy, to ME. Are the Quarians all that mattered to her? She abandoned me in my hour of need! In the darkest days of the Reaper invasion! I'm commander ****ing Shepard! I can't believe I meant so little to her, not to mention the rest of the crew. What about poor Garrus? He'll be so lonely.

[Olueq]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Olueq wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

Why did the Geth never tell anyone that they meant no harm? Instead killing any ship that came into the Veil.

The geth did so time after time. They got no response, other than violence from the quarians. Hence the Morning War. The geth also ended that war. They let the remaining quarians go. It appears to me that after that they do not own anyone an apology or a peace attempt. They have done their best.

lol? No they didnt. They never, ever tried to communicate with the quarians. Or anyone else for that matter. The only contact anyone ever has with the geth is with the heretics, so youc ant blame peopel for hating the geth. Legion is the one exception, but he was only sent to talk to Shepard, and that was only after he killed sovereign.

Where did you get that from? Didn't you enter the get's concensus?

What are you talking about? At no point did they EVER try to communicate with the quarians after the morning war. They just sat back and let the heretics wage war on everyone.

[Shallyah]

You have to be mentally challenged to actually be defending computer programs over intelligent live beings, regardless their mistakes.

That is really all I have to say. I can understand making roleplay choices, like some people chose to shoot Mordin in the back, but if you chose the Geth because you, in real life, believe the Geth have more right to exist, I sure as hell want to know who you are to not have anything to do with you in my life. Might as well go have a drink with Hannibal Lecter or other murdering sociopaths.

Modifié par Shallyah, 09 avril 2012 - 11:32 .

[Olueq]

bclagge wrote...

MY Shep made it clear all along that she supported the Geth in their bid for independence. I never wanted the Quarians to be defeated and attempted to broker peace continually. But at every turn the Quarians ignored my orders and attempted to exterminate the Geth, even to the point of nearly killing me when I was in the Geth Dreadnaught. So when the Quarians were going to take advantage of the Geth's weakened state and exterminate them, behaving as evilly as any cruel conqueror in history, I had no choice but to step in and support the Geth. They brought it upon themselves.

It was a tragedy that Tali took her own life, but ultimately that was pretty selfish of her. Even though her people had (deservedly) been decimated she still had a duty to the entire galaxy, to ME. Are the Quarians all that mattered to her? She abandoned me in my hour of need! In the darkest days of the Reaper invasion! I'm commander ****ing Shepard! I can't believe I meant so little to her, not to mention the rest of the crew. What about poor Garrus? He'll be so lonely.

People like you are disgusting. Yes, millions of innocents deserve to die because of ONE person. Gerrel was the only reason the quarians were still there. The entire civilian fleet didnt even want to fight. Honestly you people are a digrace.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Olueq wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Olueq wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

Why did the Geth never tell anyone that they meant no harm? Instead killing any ship that came into the Veil.

The geth did so time after time. They got no response, other than violence from the quarians. Hence the Morning War. The geth also ended that war. They let the remaining quarians go. It appears to me that after that they do not own anyone an apology or a peace attempt. They have done their best.

lol? No they didnt. They never, ever tried to communicate with the quarians. Or anyone else for that matter. The only contact anyone ever has with the geth is with the heretics, so youc ant blame peopel for hating the geth. Legion is the one exception, but he was only sent to talk to Shepard, and that was only after he killed sovereign.

Where did you get that from? Didn't you enter the get's concensus?

What are you talking about? At no point did they EVER try to communicate with the quarians after the morning war. They just sat back and let the heretics wage war on everyone.

I am perfectly clear, wasn't I? Did you enter the geth's concensus or not? Did you play ME1?

[wantedman dan]

Olueq wrote...

1...... your kidding right? You are blaming people now for things they had no part in. Simply because you are born a  quarian, you deserve to die? Think about what you just said.

2. You dont know how many were for or against the war. Currently the majority are against it. The entire civilian fleet is against it.

3. What part arent YOU getting? Nothing justifies killing millions of innocents. Yes, Im sure killing kids was in self defence. Please use your brain in the future.

1) The peoples of present times, present being relative obviously, made the same mistake. I'm saying LEARN from your mistakes and don't make the same ones over. Try asking questions to enhance reading comprehension rather than accusatory statements; you'll get further that way.

2) In present times, the majority of civilian fleet was against it, yes. They had the option to leave; what a shame that they didn't. However, you've just solidified that you paid no attention to the information presented during the travel through the Geth Consensus--a vast majority approved of (and dwindling numbers against) attacking the Geth. 

3) Kindly f*ck off or lose the delusion. Your fantasy is even more so ironic because of the glaring double standard. 

[Ponei]

If I had to pick one over another, It'd be the quarians all the time. Good thing we could make peace between them and it came with a big bonus, the geth are helping the quarians rebuild. Happy ending.

[G Kevin]

bclagge wrote...

MY Shep made it clear all along that she supported the Geth in their bid for independence. I never wanted the Quarians to be defeated and attempted to broker peace continually. But at every turn the Quarians ignored my orders and attempted to exterminate the Geth, even to the point of nearly killing me when I was in the Geth Dreadnaught. So when the Quarians were going to take advantage of the Geth's weakened state and exterminate them, behaving as evilly as any cruel conqueror in history, I had no choice but to step in and support the Geth. They brought it upon themselves.

It was a tragedy that Tali took her own life, but ultimately that was pretty selfish of her. Even though her people had (deservedly) been decimated she still had a duty to the entire galaxy, to ME. Are the Quarians all that mattered to her? She abandoned me in my hour of need! In the darkest days of the Reaper invasion! I'm commander ****ing Shepard! I can't believe I meant so little to her, not to mention the rest of the crew. What about poor Garrus? He'll be so lonely.

The ship where she was born and raised was burning through the atmosphere infront of your own eyes. After all, we are organics, we act emotionally first, logically second.

[Brosome]

Olueq wrote...

bclagge wrote...

MY Shep made it clear all along that she supported the Geth in their bid for independence. I never wanted the Quarians to be defeated and attempted to broker peace continually. But at every turn the Quarians ignored my orders and attempted to exterminate the Geth, even to the point of nearly killing me when I was in the Geth Dreadnaught. So when the Quarians were going to take advantage of the Geth's weakened state and exterminate them, behaving as evilly as any cruel conqueror in history, I had no choice but to step in and support the Geth. They brought it upon themselves.

It was a tragedy that Tali took her own life, but ultimately that was pretty selfish of her. Even though her people had (deservedly) been decimated she still had a duty to the entire galaxy, to ME. Are the Quarians all that mattered to her? She abandoned me in my hour of need! In the darkest days of the Reaper invasion! I'm commander ****ing Shepard! I can't believe I meant so little to her, not to mention the rest of the crew. What about poor Garrus? He'll be so lonely.

People like you are disgusting. Yes, millions of innocents deserve to die because of ONE person. Gerrel was the only reason the quarians were still there. The entire civilian fleet didnt even want to fight. Honestly you people are a digrace.

I lost a little faith in humanity just now...

[Olueq]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Olueq wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Olueq wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

Why did the Geth never tell anyone that they meant no harm? Instead killing any ship that came into the Veil.

The geth did so time after time. They got no response, other than violence from the quarians. Hence the Morning War. The geth also ended that war. They let the remaining quarians go. It appears to me that after that they do not own anyone an apology or a peace attempt. They have done their best.

lol? No they didnt. They never, ever tried to communicate with the quarians. Or anyone else for that matter. The only contact anyone ever has with the geth is with the heretics, so youc ant blame peopel for hating the geth. Legion is the one exception, but he was only sent to talk to Shepard, and that was only after he killed sovereign.

Where did you get that from? Didn't you enter the get's concensus?

What are you talking about? At no point did they EVER try to communicate with the quarians after the morning war. They just sat back and let the heretics wage war on everyone.

I am perfectly clear, wasn't I? Did you enter the geth's concensus or not? Did you play ME1?

Have I not proven you wrong? Yes I have.

[wantedman dan]

Shallyah wrote...

You have to be mentally challenged to actually be defending computer programs over intelligent live beings, regardless their mistakes.

That is really all I have to say. I can understand making roleplay choices, like some people chose to shoot Mordin in the back, but if you chose the Geth because you, in real life, believe the Geth have more right to exist, I sure as hell want to know who you are to not have anything to do with you in my life. Might as well go have a drink with Hannibal Lecter or other murdering sociopaths.

What? That's borderline racist and xenophobic. Intelligence, artificial or organic, is intelligence. Bar none.

Furthermore, are you saying that your choices don't reflect who you are?

[backlash13]

See I would side with the Quarians partly due to the actions of a few font represent the majority that has been mentioned in this thread a few times.

My main reason though is the idea that the geth are a faction at total war, they have no non-combatants (it seems); all geth are there fighting; and all geth approached the reapers for aid. Therefore all geth can be implemented in any of the "wrong doings"

The quarians on the other hands must have thousands of non-combatants in the form of elderly, sick, children, not the mention that there must've been an even higher number opposed to the war itself. Those that can easily be implemented in the wrongdoing, unlike the geth, is but a small number - primarily the admirals.

Basically i couldnt kill the quarians as the prospect of slaughtering innocent children, compared to a nation completely engaged in the action, just doesnt sit right with me.

[razor150]

The Angry One wrote...

The Geth always had sentience. Are you now arguing that Legion wasn't sentient?
The difference with the upgrade is all Geth no longer need other Geth to be intelligent.

As for the Reapers. The Quarians committed GENOCIDE on them when they destroyed their construct. So many Geth programs were destroyed that they collectively became dumber.
They panicked and sought the Reapers' help out of desperation, and the Reapers promptly betrayed and hacked them.

The reason the Geth never wiped out the Quarians is because they couldn't comprehend the idea of wiping out their creators. They were not killbots, they simply couldn't accept that outcome and let them go.

The Geth did commit genocide on the Quarians. They went from a people that spanned multiple planets to a population of 17 million. To put that in contect there are States in the US that hves more people. The Geth just didn't finish the job.

The Geth were also hardly "peaceful." We learn very early on that they murdering any organic that so much as wandered into their territory. 

As been stated, they allied with the Reapers not once but twice. The first was a minority, but the 2nd time they did so will a full knowledge of what that meant. 

The only reason the story element of Quarians being the aggressors, which we've known about since ME1 through conversations with Tali, is to have people sympathize with the Geth. Otherwise nobody would think twice about wiping them out.

People also fail to put what the Quarian's tried to do in proper context, especially since it is a plot point that we have been whacked over the head with repeatedly. Once the Geth became self aware the Quarian's believed they were fighting for the very existence, since it is common knowledge in the ME Universe that synthetics and organics can not co-exist. Just because our Shepard proves this wrong, it doesn't make this ingrained any less real. It is a belief that led to the Reapers. 

[ticklefist]

wantedman dan wrote...

3) Kindly f*ck off or lose the delusion. Your fantasy is even more so ironic because of the glaring double standard. 

Hey dude, no need to be rude while you discuss your psychotic tendencies.

[Ponei]

bclagge wrote...

MY Shep made it clear all along that she supported the Geth in their bid for independence. I never wanted the Quarians to be defeated and attempted to broker peace continually. But at every turn the Quarians ignored my orders and attempted to exterminate the Geth, even to the point of nearly killing me when I was in the Geth Dreadnaught. So when the Quarians were going to take advantage of the Geth's weakened state and exterminate them, behaving as evilly as any cruel conqueror in history, I had no choice but to step in and support the Geth. They brought it upon themselves.

It was a tragedy that Tali took her own life, but ultimately that was pretty selfish of her. Even though her people had (deservedly) been decimated she still had a duty to the entire galaxy, to ME. Are the Quarians all that mattered to her? She abandoned me in my hour of need! In the darkest days of the Reaper invasion! I'm commander ****ing Shepard! I can't believe I meant so little to her, not to mention the rest of the crew. What about poor Garrus? He'll be so lonely.

I pity you lol