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[G Kevin]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Olueq wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Olueq wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

Why did the Geth never tell anyone that they meant no harm? Instead killing any ship that came into the Veil.

The geth did so time after time. They got no response, other than violence from the quarians. Hence the Morning War. The geth also ended that war. They let the remaining quarians go. It appears to me that after that they do not own anyone an apology or a peace attempt. They have done their best.

lol? No they didnt. They never, ever tried to communicate with the quarians. Or anyone else for that matter. The only contact anyone ever has with the geth is with the heretics, so youc ant blame peopel for hating the geth. Legion is the one exception, but he was only sent to talk to Shepard, and that was only after he killed sovereign.

Where did you get that from? Didn't you enter the get's concensus?

What are you talking about? At no point did they EVER try to communicate with the quarians after the morning war. They just sat back and let the heretics wage war on everyone.

I am perfectly clear, wasn't I? Did you enter the geth's concensus or not? Did you play ME1?

I did.

The issue is not whether the Geth tried to communicate peace on Rannoch before the morning war. The issue is after the war, when the Quarians left, no communication was made. The Geth did not care to tell the galaxy they were peacefull. In fact, they killed every ship that tried to enter Geth space.

[Shallyah]

wantedman dan wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

You have to be mentally challenged to actually be defending computer programs over intelligent live beings, regardless their mistakes.

That is really all I have to say. I can understand making roleplay choices, like some people chose to shoot Mordin in the back, but if you chose the Geth because you, in real life, believe the Geth have more right to exist, I sure as hell want to know who you are to not have anything to do with you in my life. Might as well go have a drink with Hannibal Lecter or other murdering sociopaths.

What? That's borderline racist and xenophobic. Intelligence, artificial or organic, is intelligence. Bar none.

Furthermore, are you saying that your choices don't reflect who you are?

Wow. Just wow.

[Brosome]

I'll just say this:

NO ONE deserves extinction.

[wantedman dan]

ticklefist wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

3) Kindly f*ck off or lose the delusion. Your fantasy is even more so ironic because of the glaring double standard. 

Hey dude, no need to be rude while you discuss your psychotic tendencies.

That's cute.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Olueq wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Olueq wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Olueq wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

Why did the Geth never tell anyone that they meant no harm? Instead killing any ship that came into the Veil.

The geth did so time after time. They got no response, other than violence from the quarians. Hence the Morning War. The geth also ended that war. They let the remaining quarians go. It appears to me that after that they do not own anyone an apology or a peace attempt. They have done their best.

lol? No they didnt. They never, ever tried to communicate with the quarians. Or anyone else for that matter. The only contact anyone ever has with the geth is with the heretics, so youc ant blame peopel for hating the geth. Legion is the one exception, but he was only sent to talk to Shepard, and that was only after he killed sovereign.

Where did you get that from? Didn't you enter the get's concensus?

What are you talking about? At no point did they EVER try to communicate with the quarians after the morning war. They just sat back and let the heretics wage war on everyone.

I am perfectly clear, wasn't I? Did you enter the geth's concensus or not? Did you play ME1?

Have I not proven you wrong? Yes I have.

No. You did not. You didn't even attempt that. You are also unwilling to answer two simple questions which are closely related to my anwer. I am afraid that in this case you do not have a leg to stand on.

[Olueq]

wantedman dan wrote...

Olueq wrote...

1...... your kidding right? You are blaming people now for things they had no part in. Simply because you are born a  quarian, you deserve to die? Think about what you just said.

2. You dont know how many were for or against the war. Currently the majority are against it. The entire civilian fleet is against it.

3. What part arent YOU getting? Nothing justifies killing millions of innocents. Yes, Im sure killing kids was in self defence. Please use your brain in the future.

1) The peoples of present times, present being relative obviously, made the same mistake. I'm saying LEARN from your mistakes and don't make the same ones over. Try asking questions to enhance reading comprehension rather than accusatory statements; you'll get further that way.

2) In present times, the majority of civilian fleet was against it, yes. They had the option to leave; what a shame that they didn't. However, you've just solidified that you paid no attention to the information presented during the travel through the Geth Consensus--a vast majority approved of (and dwindling numbers against) attacking the Geth. 

3) Kindly f*ck off or lose the delusion. Your fantasy is even more so ironic because of the glaring double standard. 

1. Lol. The quarians were winning and would have won, were it not for the geth allying with the reapers. Again though, the ONLY reasont hey stayed was because of gerrel. So blame HIM, not millions of innocent people. What dont you get?

2. No, they didnt have the option to leave because gerrel forced them stay. Did you even loisten to the dialogue ont he dreadnaught? And again that was 300 years ago, this is now. Use ur brain plox.

3. u mad u wrong?

[rex285]

Olueq wrote...

bclagge wrote...

MY Shep made it clear all along that she supported the Geth in their bid for independence. I never wanted the Quarians to be defeated and attempted to broker peace continually. But at every turn the Quarians ignored my orders and attempted to exterminate the Geth, even to the point of nearly killing me when I was in the Geth Dreadnaught. So when the Quarians were going to take advantage of the Geth's weakened state and exterminate them, behaving as evilly as any cruel conqueror in history, I had no choice but to step in and support the Geth. They brought it upon themselves.

It was a tragedy that Tali took her own life, but ultimately that was pretty selfish of her. Even though her people had (deservedly) been decimated she still had a duty to the entire galaxy, to ME. Are the Quarians all that mattered to her? She abandoned me in my hour of need! In the darkest days of the Reaper invasion! I'm commander ****ing Shepard! I can't believe I meant so little to her, not to mention the rest of the crew. What about poor Garrus? He'll be so lonely.

People like you are disgusting. Yes, millions of innocents deserve to die because of ONE person. Gerrel was the only reason the quarians were still there. The entire civilian fleet didnt even want to fight. Honestly you people are a digrace.

Yes Gerrel pushed for war, but not a SINGLE quarian tried to stop him. The other pilots could have said, "**** this" and left or he could have been imprisoned for trying to drag their entire race into war because as you said, "he was a single person"... But alas, not a single Quarian tried to stop the war besides saying they disagreed. 

[G Kevin]

Brosome wrote...

I'll just say this:

NO ONE deserves extinction.

Quoted for the truth.

[SilentPredator]

I had enough reputation points that I was able to save both, but I would have chosen the geth if I didn't. It becomes pretty clear to me that after meeting Legion the geth just want to be left alone. The Quarians are the ones who keeping starting **** and for that reason I have no sympathy for them. It's the same reason that I seem to be the only person on the internet that doesn't like Tali. I feel like Bioware kind of copped-out and reversed Tali's position on the war so that people wouldn't be forced to side against her. In her loyalty mission in ME2 all she talks about is going to war to reclaim Rannoch. Korris was the only one advocating peace and the game makes him out to be some kind of jerk.

www.youtube.com/watch

As far as I'm concerned the Quarians brought it on themselves.

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par SilentPredator, 09 avril 2012 - 11:39 .

[wantedman dan]

Shallyah wrote...

Wow. Just wow.

That's what I thought when you advocated genocide of a species based on the fact that they're different than you.

edit: dropped the ..ly

Modifié par wantedman dan, 09 avril 2012 - 11:42 .

[Olueq]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Olueq wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Olueq wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Olueq wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

Why did the Geth never tell anyone that they meant no harm? Instead killing any ship that came into the Veil.

The geth did so time after time. They got no response, other than violence from the quarians. Hence the Morning War. The geth also ended that war. They let the remaining quarians go. It appears to me that after that they do not own anyone an apology or a peace attempt. They have done their best.

lol? No they didnt. They never, ever tried to communicate with the quarians. Or anyone else for that matter. The only contact anyone ever has with the geth is with the heretics, so youc ant blame peopel for hating the geth. Legion is the one exception, but he was only sent to talk to Shepard, and that was only after he killed sovereign.

Where did you get that from? Didn't you enter the get's concensus?

What are you talking about? At no point did they EVER try to communicate with the quarians after the morning war. They just sat back and let the heretics wage war on everyone.

I am perfectly clear, wasn't I? Did you enter the geth's concensus or not? Did you play ME1?

Have I not proven you wrong? Yes I have.

No. You did not. You didn't even attempt that. You are also unwilling to answer two simple questions which are closely related to my anwer. I am afraid that in this case you do not have a leg to stand on.

Please then, tell me how I am wrong.

[Olueq]

rex285 wrote...

Olueq wrote...

bclagge wrote...

MY Shep made it clear all along that she supported the Geth in their bid for independence. I never wanted the Quarians to be defeated and attempted to broker peace continually. But at every turn the Quarians ignored my orders and attempted to exterminate the Geth, even to the point of nearly killing me when I was in the Geth Dreadnaught. So when the Quarians were going to take advantage of the Geth's weakened state and exterminate them, behaving as evilly as any cruel conqueror in history, I had no choice but to step in and support the Geth. They brought it upon themselves.

It was a tragedy that Tali took her own life, but ultimately that was pretty selfish of her. Even though her people had (deservedly) been decimated she still had a duty to the entire galaxy, to ME. Are the Quarians all that mattered to her? She abandoned me in my hour of need! In the darkest days of the Reaper invasion! I'm commander ****ing Shepard! I can't believe I meant so little to her, not to mention the rest of the crew. What about poor Garrus? He'll be so lonely.

People like you are disgusting. Yes, millions of innocents deserve to die because of ONE person. Gerrel was the only reason the quarians were still there. The entire civilian fleet didnt even want to fight. Honestly you people are a digrace.

Yes Gerrel pushed for war, but not a SINGLE quarian tried to stop him. The other pilots could have said, "**** this" and left or he could have been imprisoned for trying to drag their entire race into war because as you said, "he was a single person"... But alas, not a single Quarian tried to stop the war besides saying they disagreed. 

No, gerrel FORCED them to stay. Do you remember the dialogue ont he dreadnaught. Raan even yelled at him for it.

[Esker02]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Actually, in your squad, everyone is more happy if you kill the Geth.

Yeah, I noticed and enjoyed this too. Only EDI was miffed. Garrus even seemed a litlte happy, and I think Ashley was close to that too if I remember right.

You list good reasons. Unless we're retconning things, the geth committed some serious atrocities on the quarians. Oh it was so kind of them to allow them to flee their impending systematic extinction. There is no indication that when the tides started turning the geth ever offered terms of surrender, or anything close to that. The fact that they had to totally abandon the planet TELLS you just how much undiscriminatory slaughter was going on by the geth on the quarians. They are not innocent, although it can be easy to forget some of this after they poured it on so thick with that collective sequence.

Plus, even their seemingly best and brightest, Legion, eventually succumbed to the desire to incorporate reaper coding into itself. I guess that whole self determination, find your own way thing was empty rhetoric. Then again, for a character that shares its name with a demon we're all very quick to think it so pure and innocent. The geth are a species that have displayed at every turn an obsession with the reapers, or at the very least, a willingness to work with them. I'm sorry, but they get no sympathy from me.

Modifié par Esker02, 09 avril 2012 - 11:42 .

[Exeider]

Brosome wrote...

I'll just say this:

NO ONE deserves extinction.

that statement could apply to both groups.

-AE

[Elite Midget]

Brosome wrote...

I'll just say this:

NO ONE deserves extinction.

Though if you had to choose...

I personally would kill of the racist Quarians. They're worthless compared to the surperior Geth, who don't judge and carry out their orders to the very end, and they must live in special suit, where a single tear can kill them, and eat specific food types. The Geth are simply the better choice and also reinforce how wrong the Godchild was about Synthetics.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Olueq wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Olueq wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Olueq wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Olueq wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

Why did the Geth never tell anyone that they meant no harm? Instead killing any ship that came into the Veil.

The geth did so time after time. They got no response, other than violence from the quarians. Hence the Morning War. The geth also ended that war. They let the remaining quarians go. It appears to me that after that they do not own anyone an apology or a peace attempt. They have done their best.

lol? No they didnt. They never, ever tried to communicate with the quarians. Or anyone else for that matter. The only contact anyone ever has with the geth is with the heretics, so youc ant blame peopel for hating the geth. Legion is the one exception, but he was only sent to talk to Shepard, and that was only after he killed sovereign.

Where did you get that from? Didn't you enter the get's concensus?

What are you talking about? At no point did they EVER try to communicate with the quarians after the morning war. They just sat back and let the heretics wage war on everyone.

I am perfectly clear, wasn't I? Did you enter the geth's concensus or not? Did you play ME1?

Have I not proven you wrong? Yes I have.

No. You did not. You didn't even attempt that. You are also unwilling to answer two simple questions which are closely related to my anwer. I am afraid that in this case you do not have a leg to stand on.

Please then, tell me how I am wrong.

Answer my two questions. And see where that takes you.

[Brosome]

Elite Midget wrote...

Brosome wrote...

I'll just say this:

NO ONE deserves extinction.

Though if you had to choose...

I personally would kill of the racist Quarians. They're worthless compared to the surperior Geth, who don't judge and carry out their orders to the very end, and they must live in special suit, where a single tear can kill them, and eat specific food types. The Geth are simply the better choice and also reinforce how wrong the Godchild was about Synthetics.

You disgust me.

[wantedman dan]

Olueq wrote...

1. Lol. The quarians were winning and would have won, were it not for the geth allying with the reapers. Again though, the ONLY reasont hey stayed was because of gerrel. So blame HIM, not millions of innocent people. What dont you get?

2. No, they didnt have the option to leave because gerrel forced them stay. Did you even loisten to the dialogue ont he dreadnaught? And again that was 300 years ago, this is now. Use ur brain plox.

3. u mad u wrong?

1) There is such a quality as consciencious objection, of which there was none. 

2) There is such a quality as consciencious objection, of which there was none.

1&2) Each and every Quarian that stayed there effectively endorsed the actions of Han'Gerrel. Are you advocating that the SS, who assisted in the Holocaust, should not be to blame because they were just following orders?

3) lolwut? Apparently the delusion of war isn't the only plague you're suffering from. 

[Olueq]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Olueq wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Olueq wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Olueq wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Olueq wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

Why did the Geth never tell anyone that they meant no harm? Instead killing any ship that came into the Veil.

The geth did so time after time. They got no response, other than violence from the quarians. Hence the Morning War. The geth also ended that war. They let the remaining quarians go. It appears to me that after that they do not own anyone an apology or a peace attempt. They have done their best.

lol? No they didnt. They never, ever tried to communicate with the quarians. Or anyone else for that matter. The only contact anyone ever has with the geth is with the heretics, so youc ant blame peopel for hating the geth. Legion is the one exception, but he was only sent to talk to Shepard, and that was only after he killed sovereign.

Where did you get that from? Didn't you enter the get's concensus?

What are you talking about? At no point did they EVER try to communicate with the quarians after the morning war. They just sat back and let the heretics wage war on everyone.

I am perfectly clear, wasn't I? Did you enter the geth's concensus or not? Did you play ME1?

Have I not proven you wrong? Yes I have.

No. You did not. You didn't even attempt that. You are also unwilling to answer two simple questions which are closely related to my anwer. I am afraid that in this case you do not have a leg to stand on.

Please then, tell me how I am wrong.

Answer my two questions. And see where that takes you.

yes and yes.

[SilentPredator]

I do think Shepard kind of dropped the ball in terms of starting diplomatic relations with the geth and the rest of the galactic community between ME2 and ME3, seeing as she was friends with their unofficial envoy. But hey, she was on lock down, so I guess it's excusable.

[killnoob]

Geth is probably more suitable for ground attack force

Geth Colossus
Geth Primes
Geth Armature
Geth Destroyer

they'd be better Cannon fodders than Krogan

Modifié par killnoob, 09 avril 2012 - 11:43 .

[G Kevin]

rex285 wrote...

Olueq wrote...

bclagge wrote...

MY Shep made it clear all along that she supported the Geth in their bid for independence. I never wanted the Quarians to be defeated and attempted to broker peace continually. But at every turn the Quarians ignored my orders and attempted to exterminate the Geth, even to the point of nearly killing me when I was in the Geth Dreadnaught. So when the Quarians were going to take advantage of the Geth's weakened state and exterminate them, behaving as evilly as any cruel conqueror in history, I had no choice but to step in and support the Geth. They brought it upon themselves.

It was a tragedy that Tali took her own life, but ultimately that was pretty selfish of her. Even though her people had (deservedly) been decimated she still had a duty to the entire galaxy, to ME. Are the Quarians all that mattered to her? She abandoned me in my hour of need! In the darkest days of the Reaper invasion! I'm commander ****ing Shepard! I can't believe I meant so little to her, not to mention the rest of the crew. What about poor Garrus? He'll be so lonely.

People like you are disgusting. Yes, millions of innocents deserve to die because of ONE person. Gerrel was the only reason the quarians were still there. The entire civilian fleet didnt even want to fight. Honestly you people are a digrace.

Yes Gerrel pushed for war, but not a SINGLE quarian tried to stop him. The other pilots could have said, "**** this" and left or he could have been imprisoned for trying to drag their entire race into war because as you said, "he was a single person"... But alas, not a single Quarian tried to stop the war besides saying they disagreed. 

It does not work that way. The public DID say that they were against the war but the admirals went on anyway. The thing to keep in mind is the Quarians had nobody left to help them but their leaders. They HAD NO CHOICE.

[Dranks]

It was a terrible choice to have to make. In the end though I would have to choose Quarians (won't have to though because I make SURE that my Paragon is high enough to broker peace). In the end, despite how terrible I would feel, the geth can be recreated. They are synthetic. If the Quarian race died, they're gone. You can't just rebuild a Quarian. They're gone forever.

[Shallyah]

I'm getting out of this thread... but I'm taking the names of people I won't want to ever have anything to do with in my life, real or virtual. So many potential murdering psychopaths in these boards that it gets scary. No wonder every second week there's news about some mad student shooting a dozen people at his school/workplace in USA. I only thank god that most of you will only see guns in videogames.

Modifié par Shallyah, 09 avril 2012 - 11:45 .

[rex285]

Olueq wrote...

rex285 wrote...

Olueq wrote...

bclagge wrote...

MY Shep made it clear all along that she supported the Geth in their bid for independence. I never wanted the Quarians to be defeated and attempted to broker peace continually. But at every turn the Quarians ignored my orders and attempted to exterminate the Geth, even to the point of nearly killing me when I was in the Geth Dreadnaught. So when the Quarians were going to take advantage of the Geth's weakened state and exterminate them, behaving as evilly as any cruel conqueror in history, I had no choice but to step in and support the Geth. They brought it upon themselves.

It was a tragedy that Tali took her own life, but ultimately that was pretty selfish of her. Even though her people had (deservedly) been decimated she still had a duty to the entire galaxy, to ME. Are the Quarians all that mattered to her? She abandoned me in my hour of need! In the darkest days of the Reaper invasion! I'm commander ****ing Shepard! I can't believe I meant so little to her, not to mention the rest of the crew. What about poor Garrus? He'll be so lonely.

People like you are disgusting. Yes, millions of innocents deserve to die because of ONE person. Gerrel was the only reason the quarians were still there. The entire civilian fleet didnt even want to fight. Honestly you people are a digrace.

Yes Gerrel pushed for war, but not a SINGLE quarian tried to stop him. The other pilots could have said, "**** this" and left or he could have been imprisoned for trying to drag their entire race into war because as you said, "he was a single person"... But alas, not a single Quarian tried to stop the war besides saying they disagreed. 

No, gerrel FORCED them to stay. Do you remember the dialogue ont he dreadnaught. Raan even yelled at him for it.

No, he ordered them to stay. They could have told him to **** off, ignored him, thrown him in the brig, or even killed him, but deep down every Quarian wanted to go along with him or they would have tried to stop him.