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#101
DanteImprimis

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Led Guardian wrote...

It's the luscious hair that really gets to me. Just doesn't seem right for Quarians to have hair like that under their helmets...


I was surprised how many of the Tali-photo posts didn't bring this up, but I understand how the more glaring issues around the whole thing could've crowded it out.

I did like the Tali concept that was posted on a couple pages back, though: http://Onyrica.devia...-Mask-291076992

Modifié par DanteImprimis, 09 avril 2012 - 10:48 .


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Allan Schumacher wrote...

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They even had one of the ators there dressed up as her character, Semara.


I just wanted to clarify that it was Rana McNear's initiative to do so and for an absolutely great cause to boot.  Just wanted to make sure she gets full credit for the idea.

http://www.indiegogo...the-real-model-


I suppose it was also the initiative of the woman from the stockphoto picture to give it to you so that it can be photoshopped and present it to us as picture of Tali, right? Give me a fricking break... Douchebags...

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I'd hate to see some fan polls where that Star Fish face would win, no offence intended to anybody who likes it for some reason ;)




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I didn't think starfish was that bad :unsure:

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 Quoting myself from another thread earlier today:


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That would have been so much better than this badly photoshopped stock photo...

... Yes, i know, BioWare already said, that it´s quite usual to use stock photos in the business,but as Tali was such an important character and this photo was obviously rushed (I work with Photoshop too, so I can tell) it still is a lazy and bad done work...

A reveal of Talis face in the game engine (perfect moment was on Rannoch, when she took of her mask) would have been sooooooo much better!



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DanteImprimis

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sargon1986 wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Roguekad wrote...

They even had one of the ators there dressed up as her character, Semara.


I just wanted to clarify that it was Rana McNear's initiative to do so and for an absolutely great cause to boot.  Just wanted to make sure she gets full credit for the idea.

http://www.indiegogo...the-real-model-


I suppose it was also the initiative of the woman from the stockphoto picture to give it to you so that it can be photoshopped and present it to us as picture of Tali, right? Give me a fricking break... Douchebags...


Hey, man, there's no need for that kind of hostility. Allan doesn't even work on ME, he's on the DA team, and he's actually been very kind in coming over here to the ME forums and engaging with us as a fellow ME fan. Besides, namecalling isn't going to get us anywhere with the folks actually working on ME, anyway.

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kaztas wrote...

I'd hate to see some fan polls where that Star Fish face would win, no offence intended to anybody who likes it for some reason ;)




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I didn't think starfish was that bad :unsure:


It's a good picture, good art, but I think it looks more like some other alien race instead of a Quarian. That's just me, though

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pants witch wrote...

*snip*



THE NOSE IS TOO BIG AND I DON'T SEE THREE FINGERS!!!!!!

:P

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kaztas wrote...

pants witch wrote...

*snip*



THE NOSE IS TOO BIG AND I DON'T SEE THREE FINGERS!!!!!!

:P


But it has laser-beams AND lens flare :[

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Congratulations, you now have the right to claim artistic integrity!

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Warp92 wrote...

pants witch wrote...

*snip*


Congratulations, you now have the right to claim artistic integrity!


BioWare equips PR wand. *Grants Artistic integrity +5*

#112
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The way they handled Tali's face annoyed me more than anything else in the game, and I'm not even a Talimancer. Seeing them once again cop out and pull back the camera as she opened her faceplate made me cringe with disappointment and anger. They built the perfect moment for her to finally reveal herself to the player at the end of the Rannoch arc and they blew it. Tossed in a lazy shoop as a consolation slap to the face. As far as I'm concerned, we still don't know what she looks like.

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It is an odd choice given how many talented artists work for BioWare. Aren't there even concept sketches for what quarians look like under their suits?

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Idc. If I was in love with Tali I wouldn't have cared to see her face. Personality over looks.

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Tony208 wrote...

They put in a useless reporter but couldn't do Tali what she deserved.

Just like with the reaper motivations, if that's the best thing you can come up with, it's better to keep it a mystery.


That's a really good point. The Reapers always told us that they were beyond our comprehension. And not telling us their motives or reasons would have kept us wondering for decades. In fact, that would be a better way to make the game memorable then give it a steaming pile of S--t for an ending.

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kaztas wrote...

I'd hate to see some fan polls where that Star Fish face would win, no offence intended to anybody who likes it for some reason ;)




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I didn't think starfish was that bad :unsure:


I agree, and if you don't like this one.. make better. It takes a considerable amount of skill, real to god artistic ability to make something like this. This was the artists vision of what was under the mask. You don't have to like it ;p

This really does fall into artistic integrity.  :P

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Qutayba wrote...

It is an odd choice given how many talented artists work for BioWare. Aren't there even concept sketches for what quarians look like under their suits?


You mean this.....?

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Wow now that had I the chance to take a closer look at the photo, it's quite apparent that Bioware used MINIMAL resources for Tali's face. Not only did they pick a stock photo but barely altered it! That is just lazy and unprofessional. Instead of choosing to scan TAli's face from an actual model, they chose to use valuable resources on such a minor character like Diana Allers. Come on Bioware! Tali's been with Shepard the entire trilogy and is a pivotal character! It's she who deserved your full attention, not some cheap character who you can barely interact with. I am soo disappointed in you Bioware. Just wow. There is no artistic integirty in doing this. All it shows is lazyness and ego.

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Led Guardian wrote...

It's the luscious hair that really gets to me. Just doesn't seem right for Quarians to have hair like that under their helmets...


If anything, if it's human-like hair, it'd be short-cut hair. Assuming they had it before exodus, 300 years is not enough for an evolutionary shift causing them to not have hair at all. Though I could see them tying it in a bun, tail or something compact so that's probably the case.

Not really a big deal logistically, but those are the kinds of things concept-art and lore are supposed to cover. \\o/

In reality it was probably just glossed over because the photo has hair, and they didn't want another asari or drell. Most of the other races don't have hair at all.

EDIT: In addition to the above concepts, there was another set of possible quarian sketches along with some asari:
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kaztas wrote...

I'd hate to see some fan polls where that Star Fish face would win, no offence intended to anybody who likes it for some reason ;)




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I didn't think starfish was that bad :unsure:


Thats the ONE, please one thread without it, i just vomit again :sick:

tjmax wrote...


I agree, and if you don't like this one.. make better. It takes a considerable amount of skill, real to god artistic ability to make something like this. This was the artists vision of what was under the mask. You don't have to like it ;p 

This really does fall into artistic integrity.  [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]


 

Very true, i never said it was easy to do who ever did this. It looks like it took lots of skill and time, but this is Mass Effect and not Avatar or Star World of Warcraft. But, everyone has different opinions and tastes :)

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pants witch wrote...





*snip*

Kal'Reegar :wub:


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Done in 5 minutes (inclusive searching for picture)

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Yup - just one more example of broken promises and underachievement hiding behind a PR smokescreen.

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Chrislo1990 wrote...

Wow now that had I the chance to take a closer look at the photo, it's quite apparent that Bioware used MINIMAL resources for Tali's face. Not only did they pick a stock photo but barely altered it! That is just lazy and unprofessional. Instead of choosing to scan TAli's face from an actual model, they chose to use valuable resources on such a minor character like Diana Allers. Come on Bioware! Tali's been with Shepard the entire trilogy and is a pivotal character! It's she who deserved your full attention, not some cheap character who you can barely interact with. I am soo disappointed in you Bioware. Just wow. There is no artistic integirty in doing this. All it shows is lazyness and ego.


The saddest part, their complete inability to even say "it should have been better" instead they back it like its gold, but its still just a turd.

Sometime i wonder if they are looking at the same photo we are...

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Shajar wrote...

kaztas wrote...

I'd hate to see some fan polls where that Star Fish face would win, no offence intended to anybody who likes it for some reason ;)




*snip*

I didn't think starfish was that bad :unsure:


Thats the ONE, please one thread without it, i just vomit again :sick:


Just think about how sexy it would have been to have those tentacles move around like starfish!!!


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kaztas wrote...

I'd hate to see some fan polls where that Star Fish face would win, no offence intended to anybody who likes it for some reason ;)




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I didn't think starfish was that bad :unsure:


This is exactly what I was talking about. You might now like this one, but at least we can all agree it took some serious skill and has a lot of merit. It makes BioWare look like a bunch of mooks.