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[comrade gando]

Paulomedi wrote...

felipejiraya wrote...

The hand.

The hair.

No suit?

[jinxter69]

Velocithon wrote...

The whole thing is such a cop-out.

Tali's face, the stargazer scene with the desktop wallpaper, the entire ending...all show signs of incredible laziness and being rushed. I blame EA for this, but also blame Bioware for not growing some balls and being honest. Instead, they hide behind this BS and "artistic integrity". The way they are handling this, by being vague as hell around every corner...shows they have no integrity.

This^

[BentOrgy]

comrade gando wrote...

Paulomedi wrote...

felipejiraya wrote...

The hand.

The hair.

No suit?

Rannoch has grass and trees all of a sudden?

[comrade gando]

BentOrgy wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

Paulomedi wrote...

felipejiraya wrote...

The hand.

The hair.

No suit?

Rannoch has grass and trees all of a sudden?

Who took the picture?

[cutegigi]

Who took the picture?

That would be the geth.....

#there is a web comic about this. cann ot find it though

[comrade gando]

ok when did they take the picture

[taliefer]

comrade gando wrote...

ok when did they take the picture

does it matter? it was the first time the quarians had set foot on their homeworld in 3 centuries. im pretty sure shep would have given tali an hour to soak it up and sort things out with her people before tellin her it was time to go. she took the time then to take a picture for her boyfriend

[comrade gando]

Why is the quality so ba- ah who am I kidding, biowared messed up, plain and simple.

[BioReaperEA]

MicMaky wrote...

I'm getting really sick of seeing them use "artistic vision" to explain everything!

I wish that was it, but it comes down to the WORK ETHIC. I have a work ethic similar to that of the people who make nuclear weapons... get it right the first time. Take your time, triple check your work, get others to check your work and there will be no unintended boom.

[Pain Train]

So using someone elses art work allows the 'borrower' to claim "artist integrity". Am I the only one to see the irony/absurdity of their answer? It would seem that all the main decision makers at Bioware are "logically impaired" because of the inconsistencies in their statements.

[TK EL_]

See, I just don't get some people. This was as clear a sign of laziness as you can possibly get. From the fact that the picture was so lightly altered, to the incorrect finger structure, to the fact that she is out of her f**king suit. Yet some people don't see it as a reason to challenge bioware. Some people would accept anything thrown at them. It is because of such people Casey and Mac could thought it was ok to not have an investigate option in the starbrat dialogue. It is you people that are the problem with this community

[taliefer]

TK EL wrote...

See, I just don't get some people. This was as clear a sign of laziness as you can possibly get. From the fact that the picture was so lightly altered, to the incorrect finger structure, to the fact that she is out of her f**king suit. Yet some people don't see it as a reason to challenge bioware. Some people would accept anything thrown at them. It is because of such people Casey and Mac could thought it was ok to not have an investigate option in the starbrat dialogue. It is you people that are the problem with this community

i think most everyone is upset about it to one degree or another. it WAS lazy. but there is nothing inherently wrong with the picture in and of itself. its the fact they chose that INSTEAD of taking the effort to do a character model that makes it very, very lazy.

[bpzrn]

Butane9000 wrote...

I caught the live blog from Kotaku about the Bioware Pax panel and I was not impressed to their answer when they brough up Tali's face. Specifically:

"2.) We often use source material, source art,
for MANY things withing the game -- wanted it to be photorealistic, high
fidelity, correct color -- as close to a picture as possible. Pored
through thousands of images to combine extisting image and artistic
vision to create Tali's face "

Okay, using source material. Like the Samara and Miranda models where you made a 3D image of their faces and imported them into Mass Efffect? No, instead you used a stock photograph and photoshopped it. This is why were unhappy with this. Instead of doing what you always did, which was model your characters off of people where it was artistictly available to do so (Shepard, Miranda, Samara etc.) you found a picture, changed the coloring on it and photoshopped the actress in it to look alien.


One of the reasons we're unhappy is the "job half finished" attitude we are getting from you. What you should have done is found the model, used the same 3D imaging software you used before and copied her face. Then adjusted it in game and then you should have made the picture which would have been fine!

Agree!!

[bpzrn]

jinxter69 wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

The whole thing is such a cop-out.

Tali's face, the stargazer scene with the desktop wallpaper, the entire ending...all show signs of incredible laziness and being rushed. I blame EA for this, but also blame Bioware for not growing some balls and being honest. Instead, they hide behind this BS and "artistic integrity". The way they are handling this, by being vague as hell around every corner...shows they have no integrity.

This^

+1

[theflyingzamboni]

OchreJelly wrote...

Led Guardian wrote...

It's the luscious hair that really gets to me. Just doesn't seem right for Quarians to have hair like that under their helmets...

If anything, if it's human-like hair, it'd be short-cut hair. Assuming they had it before exodus, 300 years is not enough for an evolutionary shift causing them to not have hair at all. Though I could see them tying it in a bun, tail or something compact so that's probably the case.

Not really a big deal logistically, but those are the kinds of things concept-art and lore are supposed to cover. o/

In reality it was probably just glossed over because the photo has hair, and they didn't want another asari or drell. Most of the other races don't have hair at all.

EDIT: In addition to the above concepts, there was another set of possible quarian sketches along with some asari:
*snip*

I like that they have hair since there are so many bald species, as you mentioned. It was just how thick it was, and how much of it that bothered me.

Also, anyone else think that in the starfish pic it looks like she has some sort of facehugger-type thing stuck to her face? Doesn't look like it's part of her, especially at the top.

[Aurvant]

I would just like to point out that Tali has mentioned in both ME1 and ME3 that it would effectively be impossible for that picture to have been taken.

In ME1 - Tali states that the reason why they wear the suits isn't because they are "off their home world". They wear them because they've had to live in a completely sterile environment for the last 300 years on the flotilla. Without bacterial defenses to jump start their immune systems they essentially grow up without one. Thus, the suits.

In ME3 - When you take back RANNOCH, Tali states that it would be MANY MANY MANY YEARS before they could survive without their suits. This revelation prompts her to say "but until then, I can have this" and she takes off her mask.

Tali makes reference in ME1 that the could have gone and attempted to settle on another world, but they were devoted to retaking Rannoch no matter how long it took.

The Quarians would have to wait years for their bodies to physiologically acclimate to an open ecosystem. The picture is impossible.

[mattp516]

PRC_Heavy_Z wrote...

the sad part is that they went through all the effort to put in Jessica Chobot/Snooki's mug in the game but didn't do so for one of the most beloved and iconic character of the game.

I'd be perfectly happy with Allers having a 3d model of a paper bag for a head in exchange for Tali's face to be in game, animations and all.

Hehehe.

[TK EL_]

Aurvant wrote...

I would just like to point out that Tali has mentioned in both ME1 and ME3 that it would effectively be impossible for that picture to have been taken.

In ME1 - Tali states that the reason why they wear the suits isn't because they are "off their home world". They wear them because they've had to live in a completely sterile environment for the last 300 years on the flotilla. Without bacterial defenses to jump start their immune systems they essentially grow up without one. Thus, the suits.

In ME3 - When you take back RANNOCH, Tali states that it would be MANY MANY MANY YEARS before they could survive without their suits. This revelation prompts her to say "but until then, I can have this" and she takes off her mask.

Tali makes reference in ME1 that the could have gone and attempted to settle on another world, but they were devoted to retaking Rannoch no matter how long it took.

The Quarians would have to wait years for their bodies to physiologically acclimate to an open ecosystem. The picture is impossible.

Even with the geth's help, she saays it would still take a few years, though less time than it would take without the help from the geth

[Ghostano]

Aurvant wrote...

I would just like to point out that Tali has mentioned in both ME1 and ME3 that it would effectively be impossible for that picture to have been taken.

In ME1 - Tali states that the reason why they wear the suits isn't because they are "off their home world". They wear them because they've had to live in a completely sterile environment for the last 300 years on the flotilla. Without bacterial defenses to jump start their immune systems they essentially grow up without one. Thus, the suits.

In ME3 - When you take back RANNOCH, Tali states that it would be MANY MANY MANY YEARS before they could survive without their suits. This revelation prompts her to say "but until then, I can have this" and she takes off her mask.

Tali makes reference in ME1 that the could have gone and attempted to settle on another world, but they were devoted to retaking Rannoch no matter how long it took.

The Quarians would have to wait years for their bodies to physiologically acclimate to an open ecosystem. The picture is impossible.

 Well we know how it is possable....artistic integrity space magic

[taliefer]

Ghostano wrote...

Aurvant wrote...

I would just like to point out that Tali has mentioned in both ME1 and ME3 that it would effectively be impossible for that picture to have been taken.

In ME1 - Tali states that the reason why they wear the suits isn't because they are "off their home world". They wear them because they've had to live in a completely sterile environment for the last 300 years on the flotilla. Without bacterial defenses to jump start their immune systems they essentially grow up without one. Thus, the suits.

In ME3 - When you take back RANNOCH, Tali states that it would be MANY MANY MANY YEARS before they could survive without their suits. This revelation prompts her to say "but until then, I can have this" and she takes off her mask.

Tali makes reference in ME1 that the could have gone and attempted to settle on another world, but they were devoted to retaking Rannoch no matter how long it took.

The Quarians would have to wait years for their bodies to physiologically acclimate to an open ecosystem. The picture is impossible.

 Well we know how it is possable....artistic integrity space magic

she doesnt have to completly adapt to take the mask and/or suit off to snap a picture then put it back on. that part isnt really a big deal, maybe a very slight inconsistency at best. i doubt she stripped down and went found a nice big pile of mud to roll around in, after all

[Serp86]

One thing that allways struck me as kind of wierd. Why don't quarians are use helmets with tranparent visors?

I mean yeah BW never intended to show the Quarians faces but still don't think that was ever explained...

[wesr]

i think they didn't want to pay one of the animators the extra cash to model a head that would take maybe 2 hours for a pro so instead the used a 4 minute photoshop job.

[Lennyoh]

They want artistic integrity? Leave Tali masked. Let the player decide what her face looks like, that was part of her charm. You don't know what she looks like and the appeal to her character was her personality. By doing something like photo shopping a stock image that's not only a cop out but completely ruins the charm of her mystery. I think it would have been way better to leave her masked

[Silvair]

Butane9000 wrote...

I caught the live blog from Kotaku about the Bioware Pax panel and I was not impressed to their answer when they brough up Tali's face. Specifically:

"2.) We often use source material, source art,
for MANY things withing the game -- wanted it to be photorealistic, high
fidelity, correct color -- as close to a picture as possible. Pored
through thousands of images to combine extisting image and artistic
vision to create Tali's face "

Okay, using source material. Like the Samara and Miranda models where you made a 3D image of their faces and imported them into Mass Efffect? No, instead you used a stock photograph and photoshopped it. This is why were unhappy with this. Instead of doing what you always did, which was model your characters off of people where it was artistictly available to do so (Shepard, Miranda, Samara etc.) you found a picture, changed the coloring on it and photoshopped the actress in it to look alien.

One of the reasons we're unhappy is the "job half finished" attitude we are getting from you. What you should have done is found the model, used the same 3D imaging software you used before and copied her face. Then adjusted it in game and then you should have made the picture which would have been fine!

I think its pretty obvious that Tali's face, as well as the entire ending post-reaper battle on Rannoch, was severely rushed.
Again, I'm totally okay with Tali's faced being based on someone in real life.  Most ME characters are.  I DO wish you'd have gotten to see her facee on Rannoch when she takes off her mask....maybe that will be in future DLC...(oh right, future DLC is impossible with everyone dead or dying.  Forgot about that...)

So yeah.  Most people are fine with what Tali is revealed to look like...we just want to actually see her face in-game.