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#101
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Why have to love the nintendo sega generation ...

God Bless them , what would the world be looking like without those hyper nerds .

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He makes a lot of good points. The only thing I would disagree with is the "nobody won" part. I'm pretty sure that when your game that costs 60 to 80 dollars sells several million copies in the first month you win.

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Bio Addict wrote...

He makes a lot of good points. The only thing I would disagree with is the "nobody won" part. I'm pretty sure that when your game that costs 60 to 80 dollars sells several million copies in the first month you win.


Something of a Pyrrhic victory.

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Bio Addict wrote...

He makes a lot of good points. The only thing I would disagree with is the "nobody won" part. I'm pretty sure that when your game that costs 60 to 80 dollars sells several million copies in the first month you win.


A temporary victory at best. The fans won't forget about this if BioWare ignores them again or botches up with this DLC (which they likely will considering the crap ending apparently won't be changed, we'll just get extended clarified crap) and future sales will suffer from this.

At the very least we'll see a big decrease in pre orders for future BioWare games, though part of that may also be because of DA2. My trust in BioWare certainly took a hit big enough to never pre order from them again.

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Drake_Hound wrote...

Why have to love the nintendo sega generation ...

God Bless them , what would the world be looking like without those hyper nerds .


Reminds me of people who are raging about nerds, ignoring that everything from their hair dryer to their iPhone is a result of nerds inventing things, making every citizens life more comfortable - while they were too busy fu.cking Mary Jane in the bushes behind the school, thinking:

"One day I'll become the bully leader of the nerds anyway, destroying their work just because I can, so why care about inventions at all?"

Then that horrible, awful grin while whispering in that girls ear:

"Butt in the air, MJ - Daddy's going upstairs."

And I'll bet my left ball the same douchebag was at the stockholder meeting where they proposed to charge people 1$ to reload their gun in the game.

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Robhuzz wrote...

Bio Addict wrote...

He makes a lot of good points. The only thing I would disagree with is the "nobody won" part. I'm pretty sure that when your game that costs 60 to 80 dollars sells several million copies in the first month you win.


A temporary victory at best. The fans won't forget about this if BioWare ignores them again or botches up with this DLC (which they likely will considering the crap ending apparently won't be changed, we'll just get extended clarified crap) and future sales will suffer from this.

At the very least we'll see a big decrease in pre orders for future BioWare games, though part of that may also be because of DA2. My trust in BioWare certainly took a hit big enough to never pre order from them again.


Adding to this:
Losing fans = less people buying DLC if it comes out. So they could of double or tripled profits if they didn't screw up, not including multiplayer.
Less trust = Less people likely to buy from Bioware. This can hit hard. DA3 wouldn't be as eagerly sought after and people waiting before buying it... or not even buying it at all.

So... while they may of gotten a single payoff now... They failed to acheive how they could of double their profits for months to come.

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digby69 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Is anyone else getting really bored with threads linking to a video made by someone other than the poster?

If you've got a point, make it yourself.

no




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I agree with everything he has to say! Great job again...

Especially:

PLAY THE WITCHER 2 (from GOG)!!!

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Got my copy preordered for the XB360. :)

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OK so it's a video about low-quality car crashes?

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Iceyonline wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Bio Addict wrote...

He makes a lot of good points. The only thing I would disagree with is the "nobody won" part. I'm pretty sure that when your game that costs 60 to 80 dollars sells several million copies in the first month you win.


A temporary victory at best. The fans won't forget about this if BioWare ignores them again or botches up with this DLC (which they likely will considering the crap ending apparently won't be changed, we'll just get extended clarified crap) and future sales will suffer from this.

At the very least we'll see a big decrease in pre orders for future BioWare games, though part of that may also be because of DA2. My trust in BioWare certainly took a hit big enough to never pre order from them again.


Adding to this:
Losing fans = less people buying DLC if it comes out. So they could of double or tripled profits if they didn't screw up, not including multiplayer.
Less trust = Less people likely to buy from Bioware. This can hit hard. DA3 wouldn't be as eagerly sought after and people waiting before buying it... or not even buying it at all.

So... while they may of gotten a single payoff now... They failed to acheive how they could of double their profits for months to come.



This completely. I don't think Bioware completely appreciates the damage it has caused itself with this debacle. I know some friends and acquaintances who have completely abandoned the ME series and even Bioware entirely after this. Heck, one even went so far as to throw all three of his copies of the ME series into the trash. That should paint the picture quite nicely of how disappointed he was and as I said it's not just him. I've been watching this industry as a consumer for a LONG time. I've seen this kind of thing before. The moment you screw up customer loyalty and trust you're in for a rude awakening. Can they recover from this? Probably, but people are less likely to blindly buy anything with a "Bioware" label on it. It all depends on how they handle the extended cut DLC, but some fans have already written Bioware off and I personally cannot blame them.

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Arkitekt wrote...

OK so it's a video about low-quality car crashes?


Please tell me you're kidding.

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He's either being sarcastic, does not appreciate the vid's humor style, or stop watching a few minutes in.

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I'm usually too busy looking at all the pretty lights when playing to notice most of the inconsistencies. I even didn't notice what choice did what in the end, so I picked at random. I figured blue colour was a good choice, even though my mission was to destroy the Reapers - so I picked wrong because the ending was just a confusing mess. So thanks for this video that clarifies what I was too busy to notice.

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Heh heh. Funny. :P

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"The hardest aspect of the battle between good and evil is determining which is which."
-Martin-

Not until I saw the thread below did I truly appreciate how applicable that saying is. :P

http://social.biowar...ndex/11435886/1

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Another youtube video? Are you people really so insecure that you need to continue posting these things in some inane attempt to reinforce your opinions?

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Atakuma wrote...

Another youtube video? Are you people really so insecure that you need to continue posting these things in some inane attempt to reinforce your opinions?


This was posted a month ago, homeslice. Were you purposefully searching for ancient threads in the hope that something would offend you?

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Pattonesque wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Another youtube video? Are you people really so insecure that you need to continue posting these things in some inane attempt to reinforce your opinions?


This was posted a month ago, homeslice. Were you purposefully searching for ancient threads in the hope that something would offend you?

I should pay more attention. :pinched:

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Unless my display's borked, it looks like Carl's the one who necro'd the thread, not Atakuma.

The weird thing is that he had the last post in the thread the first time around.

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How many times have I said shooting the tube to activate the ultimate reaper killing weapon is just silly, so glad MrBtongue agrees

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@ AlanC9
True enough. Still, after watching the vid and read the thread whose address is in my mosy recent post I felt that both bring up VERY good points and complement each other.

@ gert56nom
Yeah, shooting the tube and a whole host of other things were just totally absurd.

@Pattonesque

My friend an "ancient" thread would qualify as a thread that is 6 months to a year old. Just saying. :P

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MrBtongue's video is well done, and his arguments are well articulated. I agree that additional clarity and closure cannot help to fix the ending, as inherently inconsistent and incoherent as it is. Since Bioware and its artistic integrity will not allow the eradication of the Star-child, I would hope they will take some of his other comments under consideration.
He also has posted an entertaining video on Dragon Age 2, in which he-surprisingly-attempts to list the game's merits.
Here it is if anyone is interested:


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Necromancy (/ˈnɛkrɵˌmænsi/) is a claimed form of magic involving communication with the deceased – either by summoning their spirit as an apparition or raising them bodily – for the purpose of divination, imparting the means to foretell future events or discover hidden knowledge. The term may sometimes be used in a more general sense to refer to black magic or witchcraft.[1][2]

The word "necromancy" is adapted from Late Latin necromantia, itself borrowed from post-classical Greek νεκρομαντεία (nekromanteía), a compound of Ancient Greek νεκρός (nekrós), "dead body", and μαντεία (manteía), "prophecy or divination"; this compound form was first used by Origen of Alexandria in the 3rd century CE.[3] The classical Greek term was ἡ νέκυια (nekyia), from the episode of the Odyssey in which Odysseus visits the realm of the dead, νεκυομαντεία in Hellenistic Greek, rendered as necyomantīa in Latin, and as necyomancy in 17th century English.[4]

In medieval Latin and English texts the variant nigromantia, "nigromancy", is found. This form arose when writers of that era replaced the unfamiliar Greek word element necro- with the better-known Latin nigro-, "black".[5] In Renaissance magic, nigromancy (as necromancy was often called during that period due to its presumed association with black magic) was classified foremost among seven "forbidden arts", all of them methods of divination.[6]

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L00p wrote...

Drake_Hound wrote...

Why have to love the nintendo sega generation ...

God Bless them , what would the world be looking like without those hyper nerds .


Reminds me of people who are raging about nerds, ignoring that everything from their hair dryer to their iPhone is a result of nerds inventing things, making every citizens life more comfortable - while they were too busy fu.cking Mary Jane in the bushes behind the school, thinking:

"One day I'll become the bully leader of the nerds anyway, destroying their work just because I can, so why care about inventions at all?"

Then that horrible, awful grin while whispering in that girls ear:

"Butt in the air, MJ - Daddy's going upstairs."

And I'll bet my left ball the same douchebag was at the stockholder meeting where they proposed to charge people 1$ to reload their gun in the game.


Those nerds can't make that stuff up without help.  They first have to be stuffed into lockers for some quality "quiet thought time".  Thank the guys who stuff them in lockers for that stuff, not the nerds alone.  If not for the quality thought time provided, they would all just be really good clarinet players or chess players. 

Modifié par AdamJenson, 31 mai 2012 - 02:17 .