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[Looper128]

pvp wouldent work with the current balance.

[Fresh Bamboo]

If the OP or Ratham can explain:
how pvp is possible in ME3,
how it would make sense,
how it would be balanced,
and show that the community wants it and that it won't be a complete failure,

He deserves to be left alone.

Since he explained none of these things,
pvp is the worst idea ever.

Modifié par Fresh Bamboo, 10 avril 2012 - 12:30 .

[Sleepicub09]

pvp could actually work in some instances like Spectre Training or Pinnacle station

[Fluffeh Kitteh]

Lastswarm wrote...

But there is a catch. People who don't want it. DON'T HAVE TO PLAY IT. The only reason we don't have a pvp mode is laziness from the developpers to try and balance classes over a pvp mindset. It's too hard. Better try to make money off ridiculous unnecessary dlc content. 

 



I find it pretty amusing you're saying stuff like players who don't like PvP don't need to play it. Guess what, players who don't like the absence of PvP in Mass Effect don't need to play Mass Effect Multiplayer either, they can play other games that do have PvP instead of trying to wax lyrical about all the so-called benefits of PvP.

[Cybernetix646]

Nope.
Straight and simple, this game isn't meant for PvP. While there could be the possibility of some kind of PvP mode added after huge ammounts of balancing and rebuilding aspects of the game, the majority of the playerbase are opposed to the idea, with the exception of the vocal and (from what i've seen) generally unpleasant minority that feel the need to voice their opinion loudly and attack anyone who suggests otherwise. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of PvP games, but mass effect up to now has always been PvE, and if it continues as it is now, it always will be. Maybe there will be some kind of PvP in the future of the franchise, but ME3 isn't the place for it.

[Sleepicub09]

i forgot to add that only way it work is if they remove pull or other similar powers which isn't good 

Modifié par Sleepicub09, 10 avril 2012 - 12:30 .

[FreeshootXiggy]

Lastswarm wrote...

Greenhelm wrote...

Trylobyte wrote...

Warning, serious reply in a troll thread.

Three points go against PvP. First and simplest, Mass Effect is at its heart an RPG, and the current multiplayer meshes pretty well with that. A PvP mode doesn't fit - With the Reapers invading, why would the races' best and brightest be out there trying to kill each other? It breaks the atmosphere of the game to have such a thing around and atmosphere is important in games like these.

Second, mechanics. The classes would need to be redone and rebalanced in order to make the mode fair, let alone fun. You would need to implement some kind of respawning system or some way to make the match not end the minute four people die, or matches would last all of two minutes. A lot of classes would be outright ineffective due to one-shot kills or mass CC like Stasis (which would work on everyone since nobody has Armor). As a side effect, you'd also get a lot more hacking and cheating going on, as you do in any PvP-oriented FPS game. It comes with the genre.

Third, you can say 'Don't like it, don't play it' all you want. The fact remains that developing a PvP mode takes development resources that could be spent on doing things that the majority of the playerbase actually wants - Would you rather have PvP mode or better endings? PvP or the free Resurgence DLC? You can't have everything, as BioWare only has so many people to work on the project. Adding a widely unpopular, unwanted option at the expense of things the community wants a lot more is a great way to lose a lot of potential customers.

This

1. - Lore is evolving
- People could play as reapers
- It could be an intergalactic "sport"
- lol, story as your first point

2. Yes, There would have to be tweaking to some classes. CC is easily taken care of with "trinkets" and Drs, Also - there's a way it dosen't affect your precious pve at all. Most decent programmers nowadays are able to completly negate the presence of hackers.

3. This game has a pretty small life lenght given it's single-player campaign focus. The multiplayer feels cheap and incompleted without a pvp component to it.

tl;dr: This isn't Left4Dead, this certainly isn't anything like Call of Duty, and the whole point was for the player to DEFEAT the reapers, not become them.

[Ratham]

FreeshootXiggy wrote...

Lastswarm wrote...

Greenhelm wrote...

Trylobyte wrote...

Warning, serious reply in a troll thread.

Three points go against PvP. First and simplest, Mass Effect is at its heart an RPG, and the current multiplayer meshes pretty well with that. A PvP mode doesn't fit - With the Reapers invading, why would the races' best and brightest be out there trying to kill each other? It breaks the atmosphere of the game to have such a thing around and atmosphere is important in games like these.

Second, mechanics. The classes would need to be redone and rebalanced in order to make the mode fair, let alone fun. You would need to implement some kind of respawning system or some way to make the match not end the minute four people die, or matches would last all of two minutes. A lot of classes would be outright ineffective due to one-shot kills or mass CC like Stasis (which would work on everyone since nobody has Armor). As a side effect, you'd also get a lot more hacking and cheating going on, as you do in any PvP-oriented FPS game. It comes with the genre.

Third, you can say 'Don't like it, don't play it' all you want. The fact remains that developing a PvP mode takes development resources that could be spent on doing things that the majority of the playerbase actually wants - Would you rather have PvP mode or better endings? PvP or the free Resurgence DLC? You can't have everything, as BioWare only has so many people to work on the project. Adding a widely unpopular, unwanted option at the expense of things the community wants a lot more is a great way to lose a lot of potential customers.

This

1. - Lore is evolving
- People could play as reapers
- It could be an intergalactic "sport"
- lol, story as your first point

2. Yes, There would have to be tweaking to some classes. CC is easily taken care of with "trinkets" and Drs, Also - there's a way it dosen't affect your precious pve at all. Most decent programmers nowadays are able to completly negate the presence of hackers.

3. This game has a pretty small life lenght given it's single-player campaign focus. The multiplayer feels cheap and incompleted without a pvp component to it.

tl;dr: This isn't Left4Dead, this certainly isn't anything like Call of Duty, and the whole point was for the player to DEFEAT the reapers, not become them.

In the single player story the point was to defeat the reapers.

..I just thought of that old machinama too... "No john you are the zombies!"

Modifié par Ratham, 10 avril 2012 - 12:32 .

[FlyinElk212]

I.

Would.

Pay.

So.

Much.

Money.

For.

PVP.

Could you imagine modes like capture the flag, free for all vs. team, escort missions, King of the Hill...IT WOULD BE AMAZING.

[Ratham]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

I.

Would.

Pay.

So.

Much.

Money.

For.

PVP.

Could you imagine modes like capture the flag, free for all vs. team, escort missions, King of the Hill...IT WOULD BE AMAZING.

Careful, you're in EXTREMELY hostile territory.

[Fresh Bamboo]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

I.

Would.

Pay.

So.

Much.

Money.

For.

PVP.

Could you imagine modes like capture the flag, free for all vs. team, escort missions, King of the Hill...IT WOULD BE AMAZING.

Play Gears of War 3. 
Game mechanics are similar and those game modes are already in that game.

...Unless you're joking

[Trylobyte]

Lastswarm wrote...

Greenhelm wrote...

Trylobyte wrote...

Warning, serious reply in a troll thread.

Three points go against PvP. First and simplest, Mass Effect is at its heart an RPG, and the current multiplayer meshes pretty well with that. A PvP mode doesn't fit - With the Reapers invading, why would the races' best and brightest be out there trying to kill each other? It breaks the atmosphere of the game to have such a thing around and atmosphere is important in games like these.

Second, mechanics. The classes would need to be redone and rebalanced in order to make the mode fair, let alone fun. You would need to implement some kind of respawning system or some way to make the match not end the minute four people die, or matches would last all of two minutes. A lot of classes would be outright ineffective due to one-shot kills or mass CC like Stasis (which would work on everyone since nobody has Armor). As a side effect, you'd also get a lot more hacking and cheating going on, as you do in any PvP-oriented FPS game. It comes with the genre.

Third, you can say 'Don't like it, don't play it' all you want. The fact remains that developing a PvP mode takes development resources that could be spent on doing things that the majority of the playerbase actually wants - Would you rather have PvP mode or better endings? PvP or the free Resurgence DLC? You can't have everything, as BioWare only has so many people to work on the project. Adding a widely unpopular, unwanted option at the expense of things the community wants a lot more is a great way to lose a lot of potential customers.

This

1. - Lore is evolving
- People could play as reapers
- It could be an intergalactic "sport"
- lol, story as your first point

2. Yes, There would have to be tweaking to some classes. CC is easily taken care of with "trinkets" and Drs, Also - there's a way it dosen't affect your precious pve at all. Most decent programmers nowadays are able to completly negate the presence of hackers.

3. This game has a pretty small life lenght given it's single-player campaign focus. The multiplayer feels cheap and incompleted without a pvp component to it.

1)  Like it or not, think it's a fair point or not, story is what built this entire franchise.  A lot of the players who are here now are here because of past installments, which didn't even have a multiplayer mode.  You can't simply ignore those people or their concerns.  Playing as Reapers is the only really viable option I see there, but that would add a whole new wrinkle to #3.

2)  Trinkets and DRs all need to be coded, which adds new problems to the shop (You have to get the trinkets somehow, and a PvE player won't appreciate getting PvP stuff and vice versa) .  I also doubt Diminishing Returns will work, since all you need is that first Stasis and then an infiltrator with a Widow X just removed your head.  And go ahead and show me a modern mainstream multiplayer FPS game that hasn't had multiple mass-hacking problems - I bet you can't.  Both these elements also feed into #3, which is the big point you seem to be missing.

3)  That may be your opinion, but the fact is the core game often isn't as big of a moneymaker as the DLCs are.  The life of games, especially games like Mass Effect 3, can be extended for well over a year by DLCs and additional content, which is often longer than the life of most multiplayer games who lose players to the Next Big Thing.  Why should BioWare waste time and resources competing in an already-oversaturated market?  Additionally, all the additional time, resources, and personnel required to implement all the things you've suggested would be murderous to future DLC projects or future BioWare titles.  Play as the Reapers?  Okay, you're going to need a whole new class grouping for Reapers.  Trinkets all need to be coded and implemented into the game.  So does 'diminishing returns' for crowd control.  Then it all needs to be tested by internal testing staff who could be testing something else.  All for something that what appears to be a small fraction of the playerbase even wants.  Too much work for not enough reward.

[wolfstanus]

2v2 pvp breaking lore by having the "n7" mercs fighting each Other. Yeah won't mess with single player at all.

[Aaperture]

[quote]Ratham wrote...

[quote]Aaperture wrote...

[quote]Ratham wrote...

[quote]Aaperture wrote...

[quote]Ratham wrote...

[quote]Aaperture wrote...

[quote]Ratham wrote...

Lol @ all the anti pvpers, what are you afraid of? That youd get owned?

If you wouldnt like it, dont play it.

PvP stomps PvE into the ground all day, every day.

PvE is made to let you win, there is no challenge.
[/quote]

Go stroke your e-peen somewhere else. Not every game needs PvP.

If you don't like PvE, don't play it.

[quote] PvE is made to let you win, there is no challenge. [/quote]

1/10 because you got me to reply. Troll harder.
[/quote]

Funny thing is I'm not trolling.

If you dont like PvP, dont play it.

I think you need to learn the meaning of "stroke your epeen" too.... I'm not here praising how "1337" i am...

[/quote] You're clearly also an idiot. You're sitting here trying to tell me that PvE has no challange, or that everyone is afraid of getting 'owned' in PvP, yet somehow you aren't stroking your e-peen?

Do you even know what that means?

If you don't like PvE so much, then go play something else. This is a PvE game. Don't sit here and bash the game and request a horrible game-addition, then tell people who like the game to not play it and deal with it.

You retarded teenage ******.

[/quote]

My oh my.. more petty insults from a PVE-er...? Or as some like to claim the "peaceful" community.

I think we've just establish BOTH sides have those outliers that go off the deep end and blow up at people.

Im not even trying to flame/troll, just point out things / defend pvp .... yet I see thats NOT possible with this community.

Also, if the idea of pvp in Mass Effect bothers you so much, why did you even click on this thread?

[/quote]

[quote]
My oh my.. more petty insults from a PVE-er...? Or as some like to claim the "peaceful" community. [/quote]
The community is generally docile. Notice how everyone is against you, the one that is trying go against the community?

[quote] 
Im not even trying to flame/troll, just point out things / defend pvp .... yet I see thats NOT possible with this community.  [/quote]

No it isn't. If you had any sort of itelligence, you would notice the straggering, overwhelming factors against having PvP. If you don't like it, you're welcome to leave.

[quote] 
Also, if the idea of pvp in Mass Effect bothers you so much, why did you even click on this thread? [/quote]

Why did everybody else click on this thread? Simply because it bothers us so much. It's a terrible idea that would take too long to actually become viable, not to mention that there are much more pressing matters to deal with than to add a game mode that nobody wants.

You're out of 'arguments'. Now go be an idiot somewhere else.
[/quote]

I like how you didnt analyze the part where I called you out on your insults toward me.

Is there a group of ME fans that want to see pvp? Yes, yes there is. Are they out numbered? Yes...but still there. does that make us "idiots" or "retards" because we'd like to see something different than the majority does...? No!

Grasping at emergency induction ports....

[/quote] Oh no! You called me out on my insults! Done.

I like how you haven't countered a single argument of mine.

And yes, anyone that is under the illusion that adding PvP to ME3MP is a much needed, good idea, is an idiot by my books.

[The Angry Kat]

We don't need, You just want.

[Ratham]

[quote]Aaperture wrote...

[quote]Ratham wrote...

[quote]Aaperture wrote...

[quote]Ratham wrote...

[quote]Aaperture wrote...

[quote]Ratham wrote...

[quote]Aaperture wrote...

[quote]Ratham wrote...

Lol @ all the anti pvpers, what are you afraid of? That youd get owned?

If you wouldnt like it, dont play it.

PvP stomps PvE into the ground all day, every day.

PvE is made to let you win, there is no challenge.
[/quote]

Go stroke your e-peen somewhere else. Not every game needs PvP.

If you don't like PvE, don't play it.

[quote] PvE is made to let you win, there is no challenge. [/quote]

1/10 because you got me to reply. Troll harder.
[/quote]

Funny thing is I'm not trolling.

If you dont like PvP, dont play it.

I think you need to learn the meaning of "stroke your epeen" too.... I'm not here praising how "1337" i am...

[/quote] You're clearly also an idiot. You're sitting here trying to tell me that PvE has no challange, or that everyone is afraid of getting 'owned' in PvP, yet somehow you aren't stroking your e-peen?

Do you even know what that means?

If you don't like PvE so much, then go play something else. This is a PvE game. Don't sit here and bash the game and request a horrible game-addition, then tell people who like the game to not play it and deal with it.

You retarded teenage ******.

[/quote]

My oh my.. more petty insults from a PVE-er...? Or as some like to claim the "peaceful" community.

I think we've just establish BOTH sides have those outliers that go off the deep end and blow up at people.

Im not even trying to flame/troll, just point out things / defend pvp .... yet I see thats NOT possible with this community.

Also, if the idea of pvp in Mass Effect bothers you so much, why did you even click on this thread?

[/quote]

[quote]
My oh my.. more petty insults from a PVE-er...? Or as some like to claim the "peaceful" community. [/quote]
The community is generally docile. Notice how everyone is against you, the one that is trying go against the community?

[quote] 
Im not even trying to flame/troll, just point out things / defend pvp .... yet I see thats NOT possible with this community.  [/quote]

No it isn't. If you had any sort of itelligence, you would notice the straggering, overwhelming factors against having PvP. If you don't like it, you're welcome to leave.

[quote] 
Also, if the idea of pvp in Mass Effect bothers you so much, why did you even click on this thread? [/quote]

Why did everybody else click on this thread? Simply because it bothers us so much. It's a terrible idea that would take too long to actually become viable, not to mention that there are much more pressing matters to deal with than to add a game mode that nobody wants.

You're out of 'arguments'. Now go be an idiot somewhere else.
[/quote]

I like how you didnt analyze the part where I called you out on your insults toward me.

Is there a group of ME fans that want to see pvp? Yes, yes there is. Are they out numbered? Yes...but still there. does that make us "idiots" or "retards" because we'd like to see something different than the majority does...? No!

Grasping at emergency induction ports....

[/quote] Oh no! You called me out on my insults! Done.

I like how you haven't countered a single argument of mine.

And yes, anyone that is under the illusion that adding PvP to ME3MP is a much needed, good idea, is an idiot by my books.

[/quote]

Thats because you didnt make any arguements.

You stated facts and told me to leave because I'm outnumbered...

Modifié par Ratham, 10 avril 2012 - 12:37 .

[Fresh Bamboo]

Aaperture wrote...
Oh no! You called me out on my insults! Done.

I like how you haven't countered a single argument of mine.

And yes, anyone that is under the illusion that adding PvP to ME3MP is a much needed, good idea, is an idiot by my books.

I'm sure that Ratham is having second thoughts about supporting pvp now, but doesn't want to admit that you're right.

[Highlord Heian]

Ratham wrote...

I find it funny you tell me to go to a bad community and that adding pvp would "ruin your game"

Ironic isnt it? People want something YOU dont like, and you tell them to leave because it would bring a "bad community"

Dont like it? Dont participate, but dont bash it and say it doesnt belong because you're afraid youd get killed.

It doesn't belong because it's a stupid idea. I already own games for PvP. And I have the common sense to know, this game would not support PvP in a reasonable way. It isn't designed for it, it isn't created for it, and the entire concept doesn't work for the entirety of the combat system, mechanics, and design.

Of course, you don't understand that much. Your support of PvP can only come from the most painful of mental deficiencies.

[xtorma]

Ratham wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Lastswarm wrote...

But there is a catch. People who don't want it. DON'T HAVE TO PLAY IT. The only reason we don't have a pvp mode is laziness from the developpers to try and balance classes over a pvp mindset. It's too hard. Better try to make money off ridiculous unnecessary dlc content. 

so you and your cronies can come into the forums and cry non stop about balance....no thanks. PvP should be designed before a game is created not after. There are plenty of pvp shooters out there, why mess with this one.

...but.... people are already complaining about balance....

This character sucks..

This spec sucks..

This gun is better than that one...

Buff this gun.. nerf that one...

I've been playing pvp since daoc, and the one thing that has always been a constant in every pvp game is the crying.

Fact is, the changes would have to be monumental, and that takes a lot of time and resources. If bw wanted to develop a separate ME game for pvp that was planed for pvp from the beginning, then It may work, you would still cry a river though.

what folks who like the game as it is do not want is resources going into a lost cause, and pvp would be a lost cause. Look at how much support this, and every other thread about pvp has recieved, and explain to me how they will make any money from it. EA has a pvp game, it's not doing so well, and it was concieved as one.

[deadbeatriot]

guys, i think the real issue here is that people refuse to snip out irrelevant parts of quote pyramids.

all this scrolling is giving me carpal tunnel

[Clayless]

Stasis, throw, throw, throw, throw.

Energy drain, headshotted by some invisible guy from the other side of the map.

Charge, Nova, Charge, Nova.

Ragequit.

[Ratham]

Highlord Heian wrote...

Ratham wrote...

I find it funny you tell me to go to a bad community and that adding pvp would "ruin your game"

Ironic isnt it? People want something YOU dont like, and you tell them to leave because it would bring a "bad community"

Dont like it? Dont participate, but dont bash it and say it doesnt belong because you're afraid youd get killed.

It doesn't belong because it's a stupid idea. I already own games for PvP. And I have the common sense to know, this game would not support PvP in a reasonable way. It isn't designed for it, it isn't created for it, and the entire concept doesn't work for the entirety of the combat system, mechanics, and design.

Of course, you don't understand that much. Your support of PvP can only come from the most painful of mental deficiencies.

Cool, more insults from the PVE community, but I'm the one thats from the big meanie pvpers...

Am I hellbent that mass effect THREE should have/consider pvp? Nope, all I've done is try to defend pvp/pvpers in general, and state that pvp could/should be present in future ME titles.

Modifié par Ratham, 10 avril 2012 - 12:44 .

[FreeshootXiggy]

What would make more money in the long run, logically? Building further on a co-op multiplayer system that's already stable enough to build on, or completely start from scratch and make a pvp mode? EA wants to make money, fast, and keep their customers. Adding pvp would take too much time, too much coding, and too much balancing for it to be worthwhile in the long run. Simply put, it'll likely stay as a co-op mode.

[NikkoJT]

I think a small PvP mode, consisting of a large empty room, in which everyone plays an unarmed level 20 Human Vanguard, which has respawns, could actually be quite fun. '*Shwoooop-THUD* "0wn3d!"'

It'd have to be completely separate to the current MP though.

[Rapulsion]

Yeah, and turn ME3 into "just another FPS game" in the process.

No, just no.